I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet).
The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
Cheers,
P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
-- bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month." -- Wernher von Braun
I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet).
The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
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I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet).
The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
Cheers,
P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
Waste of time IMO unless you have the bits knocking around. My Raleigh Banana had a cup and cone BB, took it out and swapped it when I had my new (second hand freebie) cranks fitted. As it stands, Bananas seem to go for around £100 on ebay, and that may be where mine goes when the wheels start to give out as to get it where I want it, it'd need a new freewheel and new mechs, and it'd still be a flexy cheap Raleigh frame, whereas the £100 could go towards another bike...
I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet). The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It will have a bottom bracket - which you could replace for a modern cartridge one.
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P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
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I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet). The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It will have a bottom bracket - which you could replace for a modern cartridge one.
Unless it's /so/ ancient that it's got those proprietary Raleigh bb threads. Do not ask me how I know that these don't accept standard bb's :-(
I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet). The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It will have a bottom bracket - which you could replace for a modern cartridge one.
Good to know.
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P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
Doubtful.
Cheers,
-- bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month." -- Wernher von Braun
I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet).
The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
A photo might help identify it ?
Will take one this evening.
Cheers,
-- bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month." -- Wernher von Braun
P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
Doubtful.
What do you doubt? :-)
New groupsets are not cheap, for a start. Then there may be compatibility and quality-mismatch issues - which may force or encourage you to change other parts as well.
For example, indexed 8 or 9 speed shifters won't be compatible with the freewheel, and the rear wheel won't be compatible with an 8 or 9 speed cassette, and the bike won't be compatible with a modern rear wheel without modification.
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Bob said:
I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet). The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It will have a bottom bracket - which you could replace for a modern cartridge one.
Unless it's /so/ ancient that it's got those proprietary Raleigh bb threads. Do not ask me how I know that these don't accept standard bb's :-(
> P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside > pootle. For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
Doubtful.
What do you doubt? :-)
New groupsets are not cheap, for a start. Then there may be compatibility and quality-mismatch issues - which may force or encourage you to change other parts as well.
For example, indexed 8 or 9 speed shifters won't be compatible with the freewheel, and the rear wheel won't be compatible with an 8 or 9 speed cassette, and the bike won't be compatible with a modern rear wheel without modification.
The wheels are shafted and need replacing, hence why the group set...
Cheers,
-- bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month." -- Wernher von Braun
Unless it's /so/ ancient that it's got those proprietary Raleigh bb threads.
Sheldon suggested, since those go less deep than modern BB threads, it's possible to retap them and fit a modern cartridge BB. I had that done on my 60s? Triumph and - well, it hasn't fallen off yet, anyway. -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field! Today is Second Gloucesterday, March.
>> P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside >> pootle. > For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that > already has components that you would be happy to use. Doubtful.
What do you doubt? :-)
New groupsets are not cheap, for a start. Then there may be compatibility and quality-mismatch issues - which may force or encourage you to change other parts as well.
For example, indexed 8 or 9 speed shifters won't be compatible with the freewheel, and the rear wheel won't be compatible with an 8 or 9 speed cassette, and the bike won't be compatible with a modern rear wheel without modification.
The wheels are shafted and need replacing, hence why the group set...
Point is that altogether it's going to cost more than a second-hand bike with unshafted components.
BTW, you could probably find a wheel compatible with the existing gears, though of course a new groupset would be nice anyway.
P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside pootle.
For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
Doubtful.
Good enough for the occasional pootle plus use on the turbo, you could buy a ready-to-ride second-hand bike for less than £150, possibly less than £100. How much will new wheels and a new groupset cost?
> P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside > pootle. For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that already has components that you would be happy to use.
Doubtful.
Good enough for the occasional pootle plus use on the turbo, you could buy a ready-to-ride second-hand bike for less than £150, possibly less than £100. How much will new wheels and a new groupset cost?
I don't want a new second hand bike, I've already got one.
Cheers,
-- bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com http://www.bobarnott.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month." -- Wernher von Braun
>> P.S. The bike is for going on the turbo and the occasional outside >> pootle. > For that it would be more economical to buy a second-hand bike that > already has components that you would be happy to use. Doubtful.
Good enough for the occasional pootle plus use on the turbo, you could buy a ready-to-ride second-hand bike for less than £150, possibly less than £100. How much will new wheels and a new groupset cost?
I don't want a new second hand bike, I've already got one.
It is not a bike. It is a mediocre frame with some rubbish attached. Rebuild it if you particularly like the frame, but don't expect it to be cheaper than starting all over again with another second-hand bike - that does not have trashed wheels and groupset.
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Bob wrote: > I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made > from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to > modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash > that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't > decided which one yet). > The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure > what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom > bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It will have a bottom bracket - which you could replace for a modern cartridge one.
Unless it's /so/ ancient that it's got those proprietary Raleigh bb threads. Do not ask me how I know that these don't accept standard bb's :-(
How likely is that with a 501 job?
Not very, I think - it was mainly the older gaspipe frames that had 26TPI, and 501 means the frame is relatively new.
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Waste of time IMO unless you have the bits knocking around. My Raleigh Banana had a cup and cone BB, took it out and swapped it when I had my new (second hand freebie) cranks fitted. As it stands, Bananas seem to go for around £100 on ebay,
I though that sounded a lot for a cheap bike with fancy paint, so I checked - recent final prices are around £20-£60, which seems more reasonable. Having said that, a well sorted hack bike could be worth more to the right buyer - I rue the day that I sold my gaspipe Viscount hack, but don't miss the 531 Raleigh race bike or the 531 Holdsworth tourer.
In article <[email hidden]>, Bob [email hidden] says...
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I have got hold of an old Raleigh racer, totally ancient thing made from Reynolds 501 and complete with quill stem etc. I'd like to modernise and standardise all the components on it from the mishmash that is currently there to standard Shimano group set (haven't decided which one yet).
The cranks don't look like they use a bottom bracket, I'm not sure what you call what's there. Can these be changed to use a bottom bracketor are you stuck in the dark ages...?
It must have a bottom bracket, otherwise the cranks wouldn't go around. :-)
In article <[email hidden]>, Doki [email hidden] says...
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Waste of time IMO unless you have the bits knocking around. My Raleigh Banana had a cup and cone BB, took it out and swapped it when I had my new (second hand freebie) cranks fitted. As it stands, Bananas seem to go for around £100 on ebay,
I though that sounded a lot for a cheap bike with fancy paint, so I checked - recent final prices are around £20-£60, which seems more reasonable. Having said that, a well sorted hack bike could be worth more to the right buyer - I rue the day that I sold my gaspipe Viscount hack, but don't miss the 531 Raleigh race bike or the 531 Holdsworth tourer.
They seem a bit up and down. From time to time they seem to be the road bike equivalent of a Raleigh Burner... Complete [censored] but people want them because they're "retro".
TBH the Banana is light but it's also flexy as hell. Combined with the cheap group, this means you get ghost shifting when you're putting a lot of power down. If I weren't broke, I wouldn't be riding one...
