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Sir Koffagus said:

I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was told
to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always told
him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder. The
ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for
lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar free). Am I
eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I was reading a few
days ago that whole grains were as good for you as veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

Forget the other ingredients; cutting down or out wheat and other
starches and sugar will dramatically lower TGLs very quickly as a rule.

TGLs are a marker for carbohydrate consumption and also for insulin
resistance.

Susan

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ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

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WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you eat, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more, without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

--
Enrico C

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ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

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WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you have, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more in a day without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

--
Enrico C

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Thanks, Susan for the reply. I really thought I had been eating healthy but
I guess I'm not. I am trying to eat lite for my heart and this seems to not
be the way.

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Sir Koffagus said:

I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was
told to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always
told him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder.
The ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a
6" for lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar
free). Am I eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I
was reading a few days ago that whole grains were as good for you as
veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour,
high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the
following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated
tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

Forget the other ingredients; cutting down or out wheat and other starches
and sugar will dramatically lower TGLs very quickly as a rule.

TGLs are a marker for carbohydrate consumption and also for insulin
resistance.

Susan

Enrico, thanks for the reply. I requested the information from Subway about
their wheat bread and when I saw the 'high fructose corn syrup' I knew that
I had been misinformed. So I need to change my diet.

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:19 GMT, Sir Koffagus wrote in
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ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6"
for

Quoted message said:

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour,
high
fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you eat, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more, without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

--
Enrico C

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Sir Koffagus said:

Thanks, Susan for the reply. I really thought I had been eating healthy but
I guess I'm not. I am trying to eat lite for my heart and this seems to not
be the way.

Hey, I did the same for years, with disastrous results.

I'd skip the bread, and eat the meat on a salad, with sugar free, full
fat dressing.

Susan

Sir Koffagus said:

I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was told
to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always told
him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder. The
ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for
lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar free). Am I
eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I was reading a few
days ago that whole grains were as good for you as veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup,

Compared to the other fastfood places, Subway could be one of the
healthiest choices you have to choose from. After all, what else is
there to choose from? The salad bar at a grocery store perhaps?
Salads can be healthy until you add the salad dressing.

I wouldn't give up on Subway quite so quick. However, their
whole-wheat bread does NOT qualify as whole wheat because whole-wheat
is listed as the 2nd ingredient. If you want to cut back on total fat
consumption, Subway is a good choice.

But, no way will I endorse any fast food restaurant, and that includes
Subway, as being perfectly safe and healthy.

If you are obese and / or suffer from Syndrome-X then you could very
well be sugar sensitive.

But, in general real whole-grain products are good for you.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
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John Gohde,
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The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:42:18 +0100, Enrico C <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:19 GMT, Sir Koffagus wrote in
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ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

Quoted message said:

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you have, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more in a day without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Ora

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That Subway

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Read the labels,

http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/frmUSIngredients.aspx

In a number of Subway breads and sandwiches, they use partially
hydrogenated soybean and cottonseed oil.

In what they call "FAT FREE ITALIAN DRESSING" (!) there is phosphoric
acid and partially hydrogenated soybean oil again.

In ham, bacon or salami, you also find sodium nitrite.

All their cookies and sweets include partially hydrogenated vegetable
oil .

Help yourself with a Subway "sugar cookie", 48% calories from fat,
including 3.5 grams trans fat.

http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/pdf/NutritionValues.pdf

How about Subway's 'Honey Oat Bread' (ingredients below)? How would you
compare it to their wheat? Would love to hear from everyone. I live in a
small town and don't have a lot of options on eating out. I'm trying to do
the best I can with what I have to work with. Thanks.

HONEY OAT BREAD Subway® Wheat Bread, honey oat topping (organic cane juice
solids, rolled oats, diced soy nuts, honey solids, wheat starch, sunflower
oil, salt, caramel color, and natural flavor). Contains soy and wheat.

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I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was told
to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always told
him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder. The
ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6"
for lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar free).
Am I eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I was reading
a few days ago that whole grains were as good for you as veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour,
high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated
tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

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Sir Koffagus said:

How about Subway's 'Honey Oat Bread' (ingredients below)? How would you
compare it to their wheat? Would love to hear from everyone. I live in a
small town and don't have a lot of options on eating out. I'm trying to do
the best I can with what I have to work with. Thanks.

Subway has lower carb bread, IIRC.

Starch is sugar, metabolically speaking. They added sugar to sugar
here, basically.

Susan

Sir Koffagus said:

How about Subway's 'Honey Oat Bread' (ingredients below)? How would you
compare it to their wheat? Would love to hear from everyone. I live in a
small town and don't have a lot of options on eating out. I'm trying to do
the best I can with what I have to work with. Thanks.

HONEY OAT BREAD Subway® Wheat Bread, honey oat topping (organic cane juice
solids, rolled oats, diced soy nuts, honey solids, wheat starch, sunflower
oil, salt, caramel color, and natural flavor). Contains soy and wheat.

"Sir Koffagus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was told
to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always told
him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder. The
ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6"
for lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar free).
Am I eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I was reading
a few days ago that whole grains were as good for you as veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour,
high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated
tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

You don't need a sub. Eat one of their salads with a chicken breast
added. And go for the full fat salad dressing.

TC

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:19 GMT, Sir Koffagus wrote in
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Quoted message said:

ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

Quoted message said:

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you have, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more in a day without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Ora

It is common to make bread without added sugar of any type. The yeast
metabolize starch from the flour.

And "wheat bread" may only have a little whole wheat. You need whole
wheat or 100 percent whole wheat.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

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All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Once the yeast consume the sugar, the sugar isn't present. IIRC, sour
dough bread is also based on yeast (wild yeast).

I thought that high fructose corn syrup is a mixture of fructose and
glucose. So which component is more harmful than sucrose (cane sugar)
since sucrose digests to a 50% mixture of fructose and glucose?

Did you mean to say that glucose is the worst form of sugar to consume
because it enters the blood stream the most quickly and causes the most
insulin shock.

--
Ron

Del Cecchi said:

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:42:18 +0100, Enrico C <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:19 GMT, Sir Koffagus wrote in
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>ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

>WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
>thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
>fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you have, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more in a day without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Ora

It is common to make bread without added sugar of any type. The yeast
metabolize starch from the flour.

And "wheat bread" may only have a little whole wheat. You need whole
wheat or 100 percent whole wheat.

in sci.med.nutrition you said:

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:42:18 +0100, Enrico C <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:19 GMT, Sir Koffagus wrote in
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>ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a 6" for

>WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
>thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
>fructose corn syrup,

[...]

That Subway bread contains added sugar (the high fructose corn syrup).
Lots of foods and drinks contain hidden added sugar, with different
names. Depending on what foods and drinks you have, you might end up
eating a dozen "hidden sugar cubes" or more in a day without noticing!
Read the labels, Sir! 🙂

All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Ora

It is common to make bread without added sugar of any type. The yeast
metabolize starch from the flour.

I don't think so. What is your source?

Ora

Only eat half the bun

Sir Koffagus said:

Thanks, Susan for the reply. I really thought I had been eating healthy but
I guess I'm not. I am trying to eat lite for my heart and this seems to not
be the way.

"Susan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sir Koffagus said:

I eat at Subway a lot, usually a veggie on wheat bread. My brother was
told to cut down on bread and sugar because of triglicerydes. I've always
told him that wheat bread was good for you but I'm beginning to wonder.
The ingredients for the wheat bread from Subway is below. I usually eat a
6" for lunch then 2 to 4 slices at supper of whole wheat bread (sugar
free). Am I eating too much bread? And is the subway bread any good? I
was reading a few days ago that whole grains were as good for you as
veggies. Thanks.

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour,
high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the
following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated
tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

Forget the other ingredients; cutting down or out wheat and other starches
and sugar will dramatically lower TGLs very quickly as a rule.

TGLs are a marker for carbohydrate consumption and also for insulin
resistance.

Susan

Sir Koffagus said:

WHEAT BREAD Enriched flour (flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron,
thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, whole wheat flour, high
fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, contains less than 2% of the following:
wheat bran, yeast, salt, soybean oil, dough conditioner (acetylated tartaric
acid esters of mono-and diglycerides, ammonium sulfate, calcium sulfate,
ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, potassium iodate, amylase (enzymes)],
cracked wheat, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, caramel color (contains
sulfites), dried honey preparation (honey powder, invert sugar, wheat
starch, soy bran flour, silicon dioxide [anti-caking]), mineral oil.
Contains soy and wheat.

Keep long distance to that bread and find something with whole grain,
like whole grain rye bread.

Both malted barley flour, high fructose corn syrup, caramel colors,
the dried honey preparation are pure sugars. Maltose is the same as
di-glucose and is immediately broken down to free glucose in stomach,
giving a sugar boost. The high fructose will give the liver lot of
molecules for fat production.

Thiamine mononitrate is vasting, all the sulfates are probably not
good too much of, azodyestuffs are not healthy at all

And far too little fibers (wheat bran).

And why the h.... MINERAL OIL ??

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All yeast bread contains sugar in one form or another or many. Sugar feeds the
yeast and makes the bread rise. But high fructose corn syrup is the worst form
of sugar.

Not needed by any yeasts. The ground wheat contain enough starch for
them to grow.

Del Cecchi said:

And "wheat bread" may only have a little whole wheat. You need whole
wheat or 100 percent whole wheat.

Very difficult to make bread from completely whole wheat. You need to
either ground them or add other more or less grounded seeds.
But, it is possible with steaming the dough for 24 hours or so on low
heat and high pressurse like whole rye seeds in pumpernickel in
Germany (in US it is faked)