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  1. Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    went belly up (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    bike. -- Jay Beattie.

  2. Jay Beattie said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.

    Just because it says Cinelli does not mean it bears any relationship to
    the great Cinelli products of old. Sadly, many brands have sold their
    souls, and we now have Cinelli bars that are unreliable, Masi bikes that
    are just another aluminum frame, and Clement tires that are a joke.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | You will say Christ saith this and the apostles say this; but
    _`\(,_ | what canst thou say? -- George Fox.
    (_)/ (_) |


  3. Quoted message said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    went belly up


    ^^^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    bike. -- Jay Beattie.

    It would please me if you would use the preferred phrase "[censored] up".

    --
    Ted Bennett

  4. Ted Bennett said:


    Quoted message said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    went belly up


    ^^^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    bike. -- Jay Beattie.

    It would please me if you would use the preferred phrase "[censored] up".

    I'v always found this phrase interesting. Depending where you are in
    the world, it can mean a positive thing like 'fabulous." Other usage
    means somebody's business just went bankrupt.

  5. On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:06:49 GMT, R Brickston

    rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ said:
    Ted Bennett said:


    Quoted message said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    went belly up


    ^^^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    bike. -- Jay Beattie.

    It would please me if you would use the preferred phrase "[censored] up".

    I'v always found this phrase interesting. Depending where you are in
    the world, it can mean a positive thing like 'fabulous." Other usage
    means somebody's business just went bankrupt.

    Dear R.,

    For the unhappy meaning of "belly-up," as opposed to bellying up to
    the bar, think of dead fish.

    For the unhappy meaning of the other phrase, think of which way we lay
    out corpses. ("Face up" is more commonly used in funeral parlours.)

    Or even ponder folklore, floatation, the feminine form, and the poor
    fish again, and then think about this passage:

    "Pap he hadn't been seen for more than a year, and that was
    comfortable for me; I didn't want to see him no more. He used to
    always whale me when he was sober and could get his hands on me;
    though I used to take to the woods most of the time when he was
    around. Well, about this time he was found in the river drownded,
    about twelve mile above town, so people said. They judged it was him,
    anyway; said this drownded man was just his size, and was ragged, and
    had uncommon long hair, which was all like pap; but they couldn't make
    nothing out of the face, because it had been in the water so long it
    warn't much like a face at all. They said he was floating on his back
    in the water. They took him and buried him on the bank. But I warn't
    comfortable long, because I happened to think of something. I knowed
    mighty well that a drownded man don't float on his back, but on his
    face. So I knowed, then, that this warn't pap, but a woman dressed up
    in a man's clothes. So I was uncomfortable again. I judged the old
    man would turn up again by and by, though I wished he wouldn't."

    Cheers,

    H. Finn

  6. Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:06:49 GMT, R Brickston

    rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ said:
    Ted Bennett said:


    > Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    > They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    > commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    > weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    > went belly up
    ^^^^^^^
    > (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    > couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    > riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    > was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    > I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    > last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    > waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    > a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    > better!
    >
    > BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    > disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    > (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    > pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    > bike. -- Jay Beattie.

    It would please me if you would use the preferred phrase "[censored] up".

    I'v always found this phrase interesting. Depending where you are in
    the world, it can mean a positive thing like 'fabulous." Other usage
    means somebody's business just went bankrupt.

    Dear R.,

    For the unhappy meaning of "belly-up," as opposed to bellying up to
    the bar, think of dead fish.

    For the unhappy meaning of the other phrase, think of which way we lay
    out corpses. ("Face up" is more commonly used in funeral parlours.)

    Carl, your connection to my comment would seem to be vague.

  7. R Brickston said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:06:49 GMT, R Brickston

    rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ said:

    On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:28:44 GMT, Ted Bennett
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >> Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    >> They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    >> commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    >> weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    >> went belly up
    > ^^^^^^^
    >> (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    >> couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    >> riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    >> was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    >> I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    >> last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    >> waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    >> a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    >> better!
    >>
    >> BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    >> disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    >> (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    >> pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    >> bike. -- Jay Beattie.
    >
    >It would please me if you would use the preferred phrase "[censored] up".

    I'v always found this phrase interesting. Depending where you are in
    the world, it can mean a positive thing like 'fabulous." Other usage
    means somebody's business just went bankrupt.

    Dear R.,

    For the unhappy meaning of "belly-up," as opposed to bellying up to
    the bar, think of dead fish.

    For the unhappy meaning of the other phrase, think of which way we lay
    out corpses. ("Face up" is more commonly used in funeral parlours.)

    Carl, your connection to my comment would seem to be vague.

    Dear R.,

    Replace my delicate "face up " with the phrase that you found
    interesting.

    The guest of honor at a funeral parlour lies on his back, breast
    upward. That's how we lay out our dead--[censored] up, not [censored] down.

    As for the snipped passage in which Huck ponders whether the face-up
    floating corpse is male or female, think about why a buxom lady has so
    much more trouble floating face down when deceased than her husband. Or
    why life-jackets were called Mae Wests.

    In a related literary matter, if you go through the works of Hemingway,
    you'll find that the dead and defeated in his books invariably lie
    face-down. The reason for this symbol is that in Italy in the Great
    War, Hemingway saw whole fields of dead soldiers, all lying face down,
    even though the odds were that about half of them should have been
    lying face up.

    The dead soldiers' uniforms had only back pockets, so they had all been
    turned over to lie face down, making it easier for the advancing troops
    to loot--er, search the corpses for papers containing valuable
    intelligence.

    See "A Natural History of the Dead":

    "The surprising thing, next to their progressive corpulence, is the
    amount of paper that is scattered about the dead. Their ultimate
    position, before there is any question of burial, depends on the
    location of the pockets in the uniform. In the Austrian army these
    pockets were in the back of the breeches and the dead, after a short
    time, all consequently lay on their faces, the two hip pockets pulled
    out and, scattered around them in the grass, all those papers their
    pockets had contained."

    Then look at how many of Hemingway's characters end up [censored] down in
    death and defeat.

    Ernest was a bit contrary.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  8. Jay Beattie said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.
    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a few
    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc hub
    went belly up (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and was
    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip -- it
    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking off.
    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode the
    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have to
    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll use
    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    that 70s hbar will probably be 26.4mm, BTW-

    Quoted message said:


    BTW, as for the hub, I bought of set of close-out Deore cheap-o
    disc hubs (six bolt and not center lock) from Cambria for $32
    (that's front and rear). They weigh a ton, but the quality is
    pretty good at that price point -- better than the set on the
    bike. -- Jay Beattie.

  9. "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Jay Beattie said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work


    today.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They came OEM on a Cannondale cross bike that has been my
    commuter for maybe ten months. The bike was offline for a


    few

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weeks until I bought a new rear hub because the OEM POS disc


    hub

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    went belly up (rusted and pitted bearings and cones after a
    couple months in the rain). Anyway, I built a new wheel and


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding in to work when my left brake lever seemed to slip --


    it

    Quoted message said:
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    was actually the bar failing at the stem clamp and breaking


    off.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I moved my hand before the thing broke all the way and rode


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    last three miles with one hand. Beats going OTB. Now I have


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    waste my time dealing with the warranty claim. I guess I'll


    use

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a pair of my '70s Cinelli bars until I get something new and
    better!

    that 70s hbar will probably be 26.4mm, BTW-

    They are 26.4mm, but they fit fine in the two bolt stem. I have
    used them before with a similar stem without any problems. I
    threw them on last night, and it is amazing how much stiffer they
    are than the broken bars. -- Jay Beattie.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David L. Johnson said:
    Jay Beattie said:

    Broke a set of Cinelli Altera bars on my way in to work today.

    Just because it says Cinelli does not mean it bears any relationship to
    the great Cinelli products of old. Sadly, many brands have sold their
    souls, and we now have Cinelli bars that are unreliable, Masi bikes that
    are just another aluminum frame, and Clement tires that are a joke.

    I re-taped my Campione del Mondo bars, after inspecting
    them. They look good for at least another year.

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