browsing through the Michelin site

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browsing through the Michelin site thinking about
getting a road tire with minimal tread pattern for
the dry but with some wet weather grip for when
the weather suddenly turns nasty.

WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP. Hmm must be the troll alert.

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"]browsing through the Michelin site thinking about
getting a road tire with minimal tread pattern for
the dry but with some wet weather grip for when
the weather suddenly turns nasty.

how about these ???

michelin.com.aupassengerCar pilotSport.aspOpen ↗

MikeyOz said:

Quoted message said:

browsing through the Michelin site thinking about
getting a road tire with minimal tread pattern for
the dry but with some wet weather grip for when
the weather suddenly turns nasty.

how about these ???

http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotSport.asp

Something from
http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004114308&lang=EN
might fit a bit better.

Paul won't need tread for wet-weather road use, of course.
References include:

http://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#hydroplaning
http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8b.13.html

John

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Quoted message said:

browsing through the Michelin site thinking about
getting a road tire with minimal tread pattern for
the dry but with some wet weather grip for when
the weather suddenly turns nasty.

How about you at least post the rest of it 😉

In their FAQ section it said that:

"...On the road, traction essentially depends
on the rubber compound and little else, since
the very small contact patch (about one square
inch) and the high pressure where it contacts
the ground (about 100 psi) suffice for
dispersing water..."
http://www.michelin-us.com/us/eng/tire/bike/question/p12.htm

Is this just marketing hype or is it safe to ride road
slicks in the wet?
I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

If I don't need tread at all in the wet then I was thinking
of getting some Axial Super Comp tyres.
http://www.michelin-us.com/us/eng/tire/bike/tires/ax_suco.htm

Has anyone in this group ridden with super comp in the wet?

paul s

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Boostland said:

I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

The point of tread on a road bicycle tyre is to reduce rolling
resistance by reducing the amount of rubber in contact.
On a rough surface the wider tyre comes back into play.
That's how Conti' Contacts seem to work anyway.

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Boostland said:

I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

The point of tread on a road bicycle tyre is to reduce rolling
resistance by reducing the amount of rubber in contact.
On a rough surface the wider tyre comes back into play.
That's how Conti' Contacts seem to work anyway.

Sorry if you thought that I said that, I was just repasting the rest of the
question that the troll that started this thread had copypasta'd from an old
post from google groups, check the url I provided at the bottom of my post.

Never the less your response was quite interesting.

Boostland said:

Is this just marketing hype or is it safe to ride road
slicks in the wet?
I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

You thought wrong. Because bicycle tires can't hydroplane,
tread patterns makes no difference. Minimal tread is just cosmetic,
and heavy tread can actually reduce grip on the road by making
the interface less stable (commonly called "squirm"😉.

Aeek said:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:56:36 +1000, "Boostland"

Quoted message said:

I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

The point of tread on a road bicycle tyre is to reduce rolling
resistance by reducing the amount of rubber in contact.
On a rough surface the wider tyre comes back into play.
That's how Conti' Contacts seem to work anyway.

The marketing droids must have come up with that [censored] when they
realised the "tread in wet = more grip" argument wasn't working any
more.

Think about it.. any tread features will deflect more than a slick
when rolling along. This can lead to nothing less than added rolling
resistance.

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:46:22 -0700

Duncan said:

Think about it.. any tread features will deflect more than a slick
when rolling along. This can lead to nothing less than added rolling
resistance.

Otherwise the TDF guys would be on knobbies...

Zebee

Duncan said:

On Oct 17, 7:51 pm, Aeek <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The point of tread on a road bicycle tyre is to reduce rolling
resistance by reducing the amount of rubber in contact.
On a rough surface the wider tyre comes back into play.
That's how Conti' Contacts seem to work anyway.

The marketing droids must have come up with that [censored] when they
realised the "tread in wet = more grip" argument wasn't working any
more.

Think about it.. any tread features will deflect more than a slick
when rolling along. This can lead to nothing less than added rolling
resistance.

No droids, just my observation. They're directional and bike shops
often fit them the wrong way because that looks right treadwise.
Not treaded, but structured to support the contact area and yet shave
some rubber. These are 38s that aren't much slower than 23s.
Again, my experience.

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Quoted message said:

Boostland said:

Is this just marketing hype or is it safe to ride road
slicks in the wet?
I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

You thought wrong. Because bicycle tires can't hydroplane,

Sure they can.... you just dont ride fast enough 😉

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Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

Boostland said:

Is this just marketing hype or is it safe to ride road
slicks in the wet?
I have to admit that this was new to me. I always thought
that you need tread to disperse water, especially when
you get a decent amount of speed going.

You thought wrong. Because bicycle tires can't hydroplane,

Sure they can.... you just dont ride fast enough 😉

That's right. So if you regularly find yourself riding at speeds in excess
of 180kph (theoretical hydroplaning speed of a bike with 25mm tyres inflated
to 100psi) in the rain, you should definitely consider treaded tyres on your
bike 🙂

Resound said:

That's right. So if you regularly find yourself riding at speeds in excess
of 180kph (theoretical hydroplaning speed of a bike with 25mm tyres inflated
to 100psi) in the rain, you should definitely consider treaded tyres on your
bike 🙂

Sh&t I better get some tread on my tyres, that sounds like me to a Tee, but I only hit 180 kph during a hard session though, not on recovery rides :eek: