build with 9sp or 10sp ?

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what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

10 speed is a lot more expensive.

sally said:

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what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

10 speed is a lot more expensive.

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both are lightly used, price almost identical.

botfood said:

I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

d

I find the shape of the 10-speed brifters much more comfortable. I'd
go with 10spd based on that alone.

Joseph

botfood said:

I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

d

Go with the flow..

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botfood said:

I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

d

Middle of last year I built up a new frame with new parts. Other two
road bikes are Campagnolo 9 speed. 1998 and 2004 build dates. For
the new bike I went with 10 speed Campagnolo. More expensive
cassettes and chains. But easier to find and actually cheaper Ergo
shifters. 9 speed Ergo shifters are hard to find. Campagnolo has
been 10 speed for the last 6-7 years so I figured it was better to go
with the most current and available parts.

Recently I bought some used Ergo 9 speed shifters for a great price so
the next bike will be 9 speed. Once I get the right frame to hang the
parts on. Also bought some other good parts used for the eventual
bike build. And have plenty of 9 speed cassettes and chains in
stock. So I'm not afraid to go with 9 speed if I can get the key
parts at great prices. But if everything was the same price or the
premium for key 10 speed parts over 9 speed parts was acceptable, then
go with 10 speed.

botfood said:

I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.
what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

If your 9spd is finicky, something is wrong. I've had 9 spd for a few
year and found it
to be no more difficult, or easier, to maintain than 7 or 8 spd.
Given the choice between 9 & 10 spd at the same price, I would go with
the 10 spd.
It's lighter and give you more gear choices.
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I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

d

Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes. If the price is
the same, I would go with the latest and greatest 10 speed. Both should
work well. I am unaware of any regular difficulties with Shimano Dura Ace 9
speed. I would suspect that something other than the hardware is the
problem such as the mounting position of the front derailleur, or bent rear
derailluer hanger, or chain length, etc.,etc.

BobT

Depends if you ever want low gears or not. With 9-speed you can fit an MTB
cassette if the ride is hilly enough. 10s road cassettes don't go very low.

I've found that a 9-speed Dura-Ace RD copes with a 30 tooth cassette cog no
proboem, and have been told by others that they've used 32...

Nick

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I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

BobT said:

Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.

Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
manufacturers' ability to sell the thing?
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BobT said:

Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.

Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
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No, I'm not saying there is "no" value of a 10 speed cassette versus a 9
speed cassette . I'm just saying that the value to the rider is small and
probably insignificant and is probably less important than the value to the
manufacturer/retailer. Please note, I own a relatively new carbon-fiber,
Shimano 10 speed bike. I too am susceptable to marketing hype but as I
become more knowledgable, I'm becoming a retro grouch.

BobT

botfood said:

I have an opportunity to build up a bike with either 9 or 10 speed
lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

d

9s STI levers were not nearly as reliable as 8s and less reliable as
10s 'seems, so far.

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lightly used Shimano DA gruppos. I only recently moved to 9spd, and
have found it far more finicky to maintain good shifting than my
trusty old worn out 8spd gruppo, so I am hesitant to go for 10.

Quoted message said:

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

Quoted message said:

d

Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes. If the price is
the same, I would go with the latest and greatest 10 speed. Both should
work well. I am unaware of any regular difficulties with Shimano Dura Ace 9
speed.

Ask many shops that don't mind warranty-ing 9s STI levers and you will
see that many, like us, have sent dozens to shimano for warranty. 9s
specifically. shimano, according to one of their clones, changed the
design of 10s STI to rectify the problem(pushing small lever cause big
lever to 'travel' with it, not allowing a shift Holding big lever
outward while pushing small lever allows a shift-common problem on
7700, 6500.)

I would suspect that something other than the hardware is the

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problem such as the mounting position of the front derailleur, or bent rear
derailluer hanger, or chain length, etc.,etc.

BobT

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BobT said:

Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.

Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
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No, I'm not saying there is "no" value of a 10 speed cassette versus a 9
speed cassette . I'm just saying that the value to the rider is small and
probably insignificant and is probably less important than the value to the
manufacturer/retailer. Please note, I own a relatively new carbon-fiber,
Shimano 10 speed bike. I too am susceptable to marketing hype but as I
become more knowledgable, I'm becoming a retro grouch.

Let's put it this way, 10 speed is NOT 11% better than 9.

Besides, I'll always manage to find a gap in the gears and ride there, doesn't
matter how many cogs we get.

Ron

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:01:52 -0500, "BobT"
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> Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.

Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
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No, I'm not saying there is "no" value of a 10 speed cassette versus
a 9 speed cassette . I'm just saying that the value to the rider is
small and probably insignificant and is probably less important than
the value to the manufacturer/retailer. Please note, I own a
relatively new carbon-fiber, Shimano 10 speed bike. I too am
susceptable to marketing hype but as I become more knowledgable, I'm
becoming a retro grouch.

Let's put it this way, 10 speed is NOT 11% better than 9.

Besides, I'll always manage to find a gap in the gears and ride
there, doesn't matter how many cogs we get.

Ron

Horses for courses, of course, of course.

Drop-bar racing bikes, which are meant for fast road riding, whether in
exercise or in racing, with 10 speed instead of 9 speed, are just a little
bit nicer. With Campa being there for a while already, it's also easier to
find needed parts, at least where I live. And there are many times I miss
the 18 gear on my winter bike, which is 9V, but with the same top and
bottom.

But to go get bread or something like that, any bike will do. The household
lunker will get me there and back, no gear changes at all. For leaf
looking, it doesn't take a racing bike to glide along quiet roads, although
I really am more at ease on my regular bikes.

But people can be drawn to "racing" bikes from intimidation, wannabeishness,
vanity, and lots of other traits (weaknesses?), and it's not a
manufacturer's responsiblity to act as moral compass. Campy, for example,
has not spent a lot of effort trying to capture the mass market, although
they do make groups for entry level, so people can have a chance to try this
style of transmission. Flat-bar bikes, using 9V or 10V may not be a perfect
answer, but they do seem to make sense for a crossover riding experience.

Just don't diabolize 9V or 10V for being the answer to everything. They
aren't. They are directed to an enthusiastic, energetic riding class. If
Campa is no longer making 9V, it's because they aren't targeting the wide
cycling population. But again, for the hard-riding crowd, 10V is a pretty
nice way to go. And I don't mean 5x2.
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Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

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Ask many shops that don't mind warranty-ing 9s STI levers and you will
see that many, like us, have sent dozens to shimano for warranty. 9s
specifically. shimano, according to one of their clones, changed the
design of 10s STI to rectify the problem(pushing small lever cause big
lever to 'travel' with it, not allowing a shift Holding big lever
outward while pushing small lever allows a shift-common problem on
7700, 6500.)

I stand corrected. Is this more of a problem specifically with Dura-Ace
(7700) and Ultegra (6500) 9 speed or are you seeing problems with other
Shimano 9 speed brifters?

I've had the problem you are describing in the past with my Shimano 600,
8-speed levers and perhaps mistakenly thought this was a universal problem
with STI. Mine have responded to the WD-40 flush and warmer weather in the
past.

BobT

BobT said:

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Ask many shops that don't mind warranty-ing 9s STI levers and you
will see that many, like us, have sent dozens to shimano for
warranty. 9s specifically. shimano, according to one of their
clones, changed the design of 10s STI to rectify the problem(pushing
small lever cause big lever to 'travel' with it, not allowing a
shift Holding big lever outward while pushing small lever allows a
shift-common problem on 7700, 6500.)

I stand corrected. Is this more of a problem specifically with
Dura-Ace (7700) and Ultegra (6500) 9 speed or are you seeing problems
with other Shimano 9 speed brifters?

I've had the problem you are describing in the past with my Shimano
600, 8-speed levers and perhaps mistakenly thought this was a
universal problem with STI. Mine have responded to the WD-40 flush
and warmer weather in the past.

Add me to the list of 9-speed defects (my shifters, that is). Rear STI
lever (D-A) crapped out in less than a year. Received a warranty
replacement but its action is STIFF and I won't be shocked if it dies, too
(after eating a cable, of course, right up in the body of the unit).

Once had an 8-speed XT shifter go south in a seemingly similar way; also got
a replacement under warranty.

Bill "hard on components (but not wheels for some reason)" S.

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:01:52 -0500, "BobT"
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>Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.

Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
manufacturers' ability to sell the thing?
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No, I'm not saying there is "no" value of a 10 speed cassette versus a 9
speed cassette . I'm just saying that the value to the rider is small and
probably insignificant and is probably less important than the value to the
manufacturer/retailer. Please note, I own a relatively new carbon-fiber,
Shimano 10 speed bike. I too am susceptable to marketing hype but as I
become more knowledgable, I'm becoming a retro grouch.

Let's put it this way, 10 speed is NOT 11% better than 9.

Considering the OP can get both for about the same price, what's your
point.

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Besides, I'll always manage to find a gap in the gears and ride there, doesn't
matter how many cogs we get.

With 13 cogs in back, at my current fitness and riding, I couldn't.
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botfood said:

what would YOU do? stick with 9, or go for 10?

Use the 9spd DA ders. with Campy 10 levers and Hubbub routing, and
pick whatever you like for the other parts. 9spd cassettes and chains
are relatively cheap and will be for quite awhile I think.

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Insignificant difference created for marketing purposes.
>
> Are you saying there is no value to a tenth cog other than the
> manufacturers' ability to sell the thing?
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No, I'm not saying there is "no" value of a 10 speed cassette versus
a 9 speed cassette . I'm just saying that the value to the rider is
small and probably insignificant and is probably less important than
the value to the manufacturer/retailer. Please note, I own a
relatively new carbon-fiber, Shimano 10 speed bike. I too am
susceptable to marketing hype but as I become more knowledgable, I'm
becoming a retro grouch.

Let's put it this way, 10 speed is NOT 11% better than 9.

Besides, I'll always manage to find a gap in the gears and ride
there, doesn't matter how many cogs we get.

Ron

Horses for courses, of course, of course.

Drop-bar racing bikes, which are meant for fast road riding, whether in
exercise or in racing, with 10 speed instead of 9 speed, are just a little
bit nicer. With Campa being there for a while already, it's also easier to
find needed parts, at least where I live. And there are many times I miss
the 18 gear on my winter bike, which is 9V, but with the same top and
bottom.

But to go get bread or something like that, any bike will do. The household
lunker will get me there and back, no gear changes at all. For leaf
looking, it doesn't take a racing bike to glide along quiet roads, although
I really am more at ease on my regular bikes.

But people can be drawn to "racing" bikes from intimidation, wannabeishness,
vanity, and lots of other traits (weaknesses?), and it's not a
manufacturer's responsiblity to act as moral compass. Campy, for example,
has not spent a lot of effort trying to capture the mass market, although
they do make groups for entry level, so people can have a chance to try this
style of transmission. Flat-bar bikes, using 9V or 10V may not be a perfect
answer, but they do seem to make sense for a crossover riding experience.

Just don't diabolize 9V or 10V for being the answer to everything. They
aren't. They are directed to an enthusiastic, energetic riding class. If
Campa is no longer making 9V, it's because they aren't targeting the wide
cycling population. But again, for the hard-riding crowd, 10V is a pretty
nice way to go. And I don't mean 5x2.

It's true about that 18 cog. I ordered a
13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23 nine speed, and mounted what was
delivered without looking. Could not figure out that gap in my
shifting for a while. Then I looked at the cassette and saw they
delivered a 12-23 sans 18 cog. If I had ten speed I would have the
12-23. As somebody said recently, I do not need a high count close
geared cluster, but I have one anyway.

I seldom shift the shopper bike.

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Michael Press