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  1. On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which
    will eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly,
    but she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives
    her a quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the
    bus pass, comes back on to the road.

    My first reaction was anger; how dare the driver be so arrogant and
    threatening to the cyclist, forcing her to perform an illegal act under
    threat of being squashed. But as I thought a little more about it, given
    the efficiencies that his action produced (30-40 people arrived at their
    destination stop 45-60 seconds earlier than they otherwise might have
    done), maybe there's a little defence. (Only some, mind, I still think
    it was the wrong thing for him to do.)

    I must admit that had I been the cyclist, I would have stopped and had a
    go at the driver for being apparently abusive and threatening, but
    equally I generally cycle slightly faster so might not have given as
    much cause for the driver feeling delayed.

    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

  2. chris harrison ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
    they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly,
    but she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives
    her a quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the
    bus pass, comes back on to the road.

    Quoted message said:

    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

    Dunno why you shudder. It seems straightforward. The bus driver was being a
    [censored], and ought to be reported to his garage. <shrug>

  3. "chris harrison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

    So why cross-post it at all!

    Cheers, helen s

  4. chris harrison said:

    On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which
    will eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    <description snipped>

    Sounds as if this could be fun, I'll just sit back and watch.

  5. Adrian said:

    chris harrison ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
    they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    The driver gives her a quick toot

    Dunno why you shudder. It seems straightforward. The bus driver was being a
    [censored], and ought to be reported to his garage. <shrug>

    I don't really see the problem here. A quick toot to alert other
    road users to your presence is exactly what the horn is for. It's
    not like a he was blaring at her to get out of the way, that appears
    to have been her choice.

    Pete.

  6. On 06/07/2005 17:13:09 chris harrison said:

    On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which will
    eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    Quoted message said:

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly, but
    she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives her a
    quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the bus pass,
    comes back on to the road.

    Quoted message said:

    My first reaction was anger; how dare the driver be so arrogant and
    threatening to the cyclist, forcing her to perform an illegal act under
    threat of being squashed. But as I thought a little more about it, given
    the efficiencies that his action produced (30-40 people arrived at their
    destination stop 45-60 seconds earlier than they otherwise might have
    done), maybe there's a little defence. (Only some, mind, I still think it
    was the wrong thing for him to do.)

    Quoted message said:

    I must admit that had I been the cyclist, I would have stopped and had a
    go at the driver for being apparently abusive and threatening, but equally
    I generally cycle slightly faster so might not have given as much cause
    for the driver feeling delayed.

    Quoted message said:

    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

    He made the cyclist aware of his prescence, if it was me I imagine I would have checked my mirror and moved out of his way if safe and convenient to do so or otherwise ignored him.

    --
    Buck

    I would rather be out on my Catrike

    www.catrike.co.uk

  7. Brimstone said:
    chris harrison said:

    On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which
    will eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds as if this could be fun, I'll just sit back and watch.

    I'm getting incredibly fed up of these cross-posted trolls. Anyone else?

  8. chris harrison said:

    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

    uk.transport snipped.

    Perhaps, as it appears you wished to obtain the views in both groups,
    and you recognise how widely appreciated such cross-posts are, it would
    have been a courtesy to many to have posted separately to both groups
    instead. You can subscribe to both groups without bothering anyone.

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  9. Quoted message said:

    My first reaction was anger; how dare the driver be so arrogant and
    threatening to the cyclist, forcing her to perform an illegal act under
    threat of being squashed. But as I thought a little more about it, given
    the efficiencies that his action produced (30-40 people arrived at their
    destination stop 45-60 seconds earlier than they otherwise might have
    done), maybe there's a little defence. (Only some, mind, I still think
    it was the wrong thing for him to do.)


    Ooooooh, a whole 60 seconds earlier, really worthwhile then.

  10. SimonJ ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    Ooooooh, a whole 60 seconds earlier, really worthwhile then.

    A whole 60 seconds to the next stop... at which point the cyclist probably
    sailed past again...

  11. "Adrian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    chris harrison ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
    they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly,
    but she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives
    her a quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the
    bus pass, comes back on to the road.

    Quoted message said:

    I shudder to x-post this to uk.tosspot as I'm playing off one cager
    bugbear against another ...

    Dunno why you shudder. It seems straightforward. The bus driver was being
    a
    [censored], and ought to be reported to his garage. <shrug>

    "Bus driver gives a quick toot" - not a blast; no mention of abuse (from
    either side); so he let her know he was there. The bus had slowed.

    She hopped on the pavement to let the bus pass - presumably her choice? and
    consideration on her part for the bus and its passengers? And she returned
    to the road afterwards.

    Presumably there were no other factors to make this sequence of events
    actually unsafe.

    Now for your last statement "The bus driver was being a

    Quoted message said:

    [censored], and ought to be reported to his garage. <shrug>" .... pity your
    father wasn't one.

    What do you think "..reported to his garage" will actually achieve? Make
    *you* feel better? [censored] the driver off? change anything? It is unlikely to
    do so.

    What *is* it about the profession of "Bus Driver" that makes every Tom,
    [censored], Harry and other nondescript pipsqueak such an expert on his job? Who
    do the bus drivers report onefingered salutists to? Who do the bus drivers
    report verbal abusers to? Who do the bus drivers report bad mannered other
    road users to? (effectively in each case, not just ultimately to circular
    filing cabinet)

    --
    Ian

  12. "Adrian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SimonJ ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying
    :

    Quoted message said:

    Ooooooh, a whole 60 seconds earlier, really worthwhile then.

    A whole 60 seconds to the next stop... at which point the cyclist probably
    sailed past again...

    Does the same argument apply to the car driver who can't wait behind a bus
    for the 60 seconds or so until it gets to the next stop or turns off?

  13. ian henden ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    Presumably there were no other factors to make this sequence of events
    actually unsafe.

    What if the cyclist HADN'T illegally ridden on the pavement to get out of
    his way? Would the bus driver have barged past anyway?

    If a car driver comes up behind a bus and hoots at the bus, should the bus
    pull onto the pavement to get out of it's way?

    No? Why not? What's the difference?

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think "..reported to his garage" will actually achieve?
    Make *you* feel better? [censored] the driver off? change anything? It is
    unlikely to do so.

    Hopefully, it'll get him a bollocking for intimidation. The cyclist had as
    much right as he did to be there. If there wasn't the space for him to
    pass, then - guess what? - tough. He'll have to W-A-I-T. Just the same as
    if there's other traffic in front of him on a normal road.

    Just the same as if a car comes up behind a cyclist on a normal road, but
    can't pass.

    Patience.

  14. ian henden ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ooooooh, a whole 60 seconds earlier, really worthwhile then.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A whole 60 seconds to the next stop... at which point the cyclist
    probably sailed past again...

    Quoted message said:

    Does the same argument apply to the car driver who can't wait behind a
    bus for the 60 seconds or so until it gets to the next stop or turns
    off?

    Yes. Of course it does.

    <thinks>
    Am I being accused of being anti-car here?
    Can we cross-reference this with the ASBO thread?

  15. "Adrian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ian henden ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    Presumably there were no other factors to make this sequence of events
    actually unsafe.

    What if the cyclist HADN'T illegally ridden on the pavement to get out of
    his way? Would the bus driver have barged past anyway?


    I don't know. You don't know. Doubt if the OP knows, either.

    Quoted message said:

    If a car driver comes up behind a bus and hoots at the bus, should the bus
    pull onto the pavement to get out of it's way?

    No? Why not? What's the difference?

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think "..reported to his garage" will actually achieve?
    Make *you* feel better? [censored] the driver off? change anything? It is
    unlikely to do so.

    Hopefully, it'll get him a bollocking for intimidation.

    Why? for a "quick toot"?

    The cyclist had as

    Quoted message said:

    much right as he did to be there.


    Did anyone claim she didn't?

    If there wasn't the space for him to

    Quoted message said:

    pass, then - guess what? - tough. He'll have to W-A-I-T. Just the same as
    if there's other traffic in front of him on a normal road.


    Which he would probably have done. But I don't know. You don't know. Doubt
    if the OP knows, either.

    Quoted message said:


    Just the same as if a car comes up behind a cyclist on a normal road, but
    can't pass.

    Patience.

    And never assume.

    --
    IanH

  16. Nick Finnigan ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    So why didn't the bus driver move to the right and overtake?

    I don't know where that particular bus lane is, but I have come across some
    where there's a physical lane divider (a bloody chunky kerb) between the
    bus lane and the rest of the traffic - and no space for bus next to bike
    without the bus climbing the divider.

    There's also the likelihood that the lane next to the bus lane was full of
    stationary traffic...

  17. "Nick Finnigan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    chris harrison said:

    On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which
    will eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly, but
    she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives her a
    quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the bus pass,
    comes back on to the road.

    So why didn't the bus driver move to the right and overtake?

    I don't know. You don't know. Doubt if the OP knows, either.

    But, possibly, there was other traffic on the right? or even a kerb (a la
    near Victoria Coach Station)
    Does it matter?

    A quick toot to let cyclist know of presence (some buses are quite quiet at
    the front end)
    Obliging cyclist makes room
    Bus passes
    Cyclist and bus both continue happily.

    What's the problem?????

    Or is it the LycraCladLouts striving to find trouble where none exists?

    --
    IanH

  18. chris harrison said:


    On the bus into work this morning, we're heading up a bus lane (which
    will eventually merge back in with the traffic as we approach a single
    carriageway bridge).

    We slow, coming up behind a cyclist (this isn't a bus-only lane, cycles,
    taxis and motorbikes are allowed too). She's not moving that quickly,
    but she's not the dodderiest of the wobblies either. The driver gives
    her a quick toot, she hops on to the (wide, empty) pavement, lets the
    bus pass, comes back on to the road.

    So why didn't the bus driver move to the right and overtake?

  19. On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:06:20 GMT, "ian henden" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    The cyclist had as

    Quoted message said:

    much right as he did to be there.


    Did anyone claim she didn't?

    What other reason for the 'quick toot'? Why the hell else would the
    driver wish to alert the cyclist to the presence of his bus, other
    than to persuade her out of his way?

  20. On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:12:12 GMT, "ian henden" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    A quick toot to let cyclist know of presence (some buses are quite quiet at
    the front end)

    Which can be very loud and intimidating for those outside of motor
    vehicles.

    Quoted message said:

    Obliging cyclist makes room

    By breaking the law... Something which a lot of people on
    uk.transport complain about cyclists doing rather a lot. Strange you
    should be encouraging it, I certainly don't.

    Quoted message said:

    Bus passes
    Cyclist and bus both continue happily.

    What's the problem?????

    A valid road user has been bullied off of the road.

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