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  1. According to You and Yours (Radio 4 Wednesday) the boom in the Chinese economy
    is going to make bikes more expensive, hard to get, up to a year delay on
    getting parts and shops going out of business:

    BIKE HIKES
    There's a world wide shortage of steel, aluminium and the other raw materials
    used in bike manufacture. Kris Bloomfield from Harry Hall Bikes in Manchester
    and Mike Alker of Single Track magazine explain how this will affect bike
    shops and cyclists.

    Listen again at
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/ram/youandyours_20040526_7.ram

    "Umm, darling, you know that bike I promised to put off buying until you'd got
    the new kitchen..........."

    Tony

  2. Tony Raven said:

    According to You and Yours (Radio 4 Wednesday) the boom in the Chinese economy
    is going to make bikes more expensive, hard to get, up to a year delay on
    getting parts and shops going out of business:

    BIKE HIKES
    There's a world wide shortage of steel, aluminium and the other raw materials
    used in bike manufacture. Kris Bloomfield from Harry Hall Bikes in Manchester
    and Mike Alker of Single Track magazine explain how this will affect bike
    shops and cyclists.

    Listen again at
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/ram/youandyours_20040526_7.ram

    "Umm, darling, you know that bike I promised to put off buying until you'd got
    the new kitchen..........."

    Tony

    I really don't like Harry Hall Cycles. I personally think that they are
    a stuck up bunch of tossers who are more interested in the sale than the
    customer. I have not found them particularly helpful when I have
    problems and they just want to sell me the most expensive part they can.

  3. David Waters said:


    I really don't like Harry Hall Cycles. I personally think that they are
    a stuck up bunch of tossers who are more interested in the sale than the
    customer. I have not found them particularly helpful when I have
    problems and they just want to sell me the most expensive part they can.

    ooh hurrah a HH bashing thread, can I join in? Just last week I made
    my first and last purchase from them. I struggled to even persuade
    them to sell me something:

    Me: I'd like to buy some brake cables with barrel nipples please
    HH: You mean the big fat round ones?
    Me: Yes, like I said, barrel nipples
    HH: For a mountain bike you mean?
    Me: A hybrid, but yes flat handle bars, so I need barrel nipples,
    that's what they're called isn't it? {thinks: like I said 3 times now
    ffs}

    Bloke in HH quite clearly knows 'Fat Gurls in normal clothes' can't
    possibly know that they are talking about when it comes to bike parts
    and only 'Fit blerks in lycra' can be trusted to know their nipples.
    It's not like I was making it perfectly clear what I wanted using the
    correct technical terms, was it? I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she had
    had a very similar experience.

    So HH won't be getting my few quid here and there for bits and pieces
    (being all I can afford to spend right now) nor will they be getting
    my large amounts of quid when finances pick up and I'm in the market
    for a new bike. I shall be mostly shopping at Ken Fosters and Bicycle
    Doctor.

    A

    --

    email = audmad aaatttt hhhottt mmmaailll dddoottt ccccoommm

  4. Quoted message said:

    I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she had
    had a very similar experience.

    Methinks Harry Hall Cycles are related to Paul's Cycles in Dereham.

    In Paul's Cycles even 'womaninLycracycleclothes' is rendered invisible and then
    when eventually the cloak of invisibility is seen through by the less than
    enthusiastic staff, customer being female is fair game for being rude to.
    Similarly, I remember wandering in there when once looking for a bike for
    Nathan a long time ago. When the sales person realised I was not interested in
    the really expensive stuff, he switched off and walked away. Needless to say, I
    do not take any of my cycling business there and I do not recommend the place
    to anyone. Locally I much prefer to go into Norwich to Specialized Cycles in
    Connaught Road, where Steve the owner, knows his stuff and does not treat his
    female customers as morons.

    Oh, oh... just remembered a good one from Paul's Cycles... in an emergency,
    Vernon went in and asked for some Campag bit. Sales guy says, "Campag? you
    can't get that anymore, no one uses it." Perhaps the sales guy needs to see
    what many a pro-cycling team uses :-)

    Cheers, helen s

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam--
    to get correct one remove fame & fortune
    h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

    --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--

  5. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Oh, oh... just remembered a good one from Paul's Cycles... in an emergency,
    Vernon went in and asked for some Campag bit. Sales guy says, "Campag? you
    can't get that anymore, no one uses it." Perhaps the sales guy needs to see
    what many a pro-cycling team uses :-)

    Well by the sound of the report you certainly can't get Shimano any more ;-)

    Tony

  6. <snip>

    audrey said:

    ooh hurrah a HH bashing thread, can I join in? Just last week I made
    my first and last purchase from them. I struggled to even persuade
    them to sell me something:

    email = audmad aaatttt hhhottt mmmaailll dddoottt ccccoommm

    </snip>

    I usually go to Bike Doctors on Dickenson Road for small parts and
    advice, and I took my flatmate there when he was spending £400 on a new
    bike, so hopefully they are beginning to get to know my face. It is not
    the cheapest shop in the world though, so I buy most major components
    online.

  7. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Me: I'd like to buy some brake cables with barrel nipples please
    HH: You mean the big fat round ones?
    Me: Yes, like I said, barrel nipples
    HH: For a mountain bike you mean?
    Me: A hybrid, but yes flat handle bars, so I need barrel nipples,
    that's what they're called isn't it? {thinks: like I said 3 times now
    ffs}

    Bloke in HH quite clearly knows 'Fat Gurls in normal clothes' can't
    possibly know that they are talking about when it comes to bike parts
    and only 'Fit blerks in lycra' can be trusted to know their nipples.
    It's not like I was making it perfectly clear what I wanted using the
    correct technical terms, was it? I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she had
    had a very similar experience.

    Although..... I get annoying responses like this too, and whilst not over
    fit I am a bloke in lycra. I recently went in search of a front derailleur
    and asked the LBS assisstant for a specific model, even specifying the
    Shimano product code number. I then had to go through the regular "is it for
    a mountain bike?" etc. routine. I do find this sort of thing annoying but
    generally put it down to the shop person trying to catch any compatability
    problems early on. Perhaps this is a generous assumption - or perhaps in
    your case their tone betrayed a different intent. If so I imagine it must
    drive you up the wall.

    tony R.

  8. audrey <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    Bloke in HH quite clearly knows 'Fat Gurls in normal clothes' can't
    possibly know that they are talking about when it comes to bike parts
    and only 'Fit blerks in lycra' can be trusted to know their nipples.
    It's not like I was making it perfectly clear what I wanted using the
    correct technical terms, was it? I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she had
    had a very similar experience.

    I've had this experience in several bike shops (not Harry Hall cos I've
    never gone there)

    Fat gurls in ordinary clothes NEVER know anything about bicycles, do they?

    (I never had this when andymorris was the grease monkey though ;-) )

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  9. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:


    Oh, oh... just remembered a good one from Paul's Cycles... in an emergency,
    Vernon went in and asked for some Campag bit. Sales guy says, "Campag? you
    can't get that anymore, no one uses it." Perhaps the sales guy needs to see
    what many a pro-cycling team uses :-)

    Cheers, helen s

    Unlike our LPBS (Local Proper Bike Shop) [1] owner who has difficulty
    bringing himself to sell sh.. shiiiiim... shiimiiin.... non-Campag
    parts. [2]

    He is so good that on a recent visit he actually refused to sell me a
    bike pump from his display stand because it was rubbish, how's that for
    honesty? I must remember to go back soon and get one of the good ones,
    he must have got one in my size by now.

    Terry Duckmanton

    [1] Freerider Cycles, Westfield near Woking.

    [2] Think Kryten, Red Dwarf.

  10. Terry D said:
    Quoted message said:

    He is so good that on a recent visit he actually refused to sell me a


    bike pump from his display stand because it was rubbish, how's that for
    honesty?

    So why does he stock it? To pawn off on some unsuspecting non-regular?

    Tony

  11. Helen Deborah Vecht said:


    I've had this experience in several bike shops (not Harry Hall cos I've
    never gone there)

    You can't have as IIRC you do not meet the FB(OAB) criteria. ;-)

    Tony

  12. tony R said:

    Although..... I get annoying responses like this too, and whilst not over
    fit I am a bloke in lycra. I recently went in search of a front derailleur

    When I'm in a bicycle shop it's as often as not because my bike is
    broken in some way; even when it's not broken I don't like to take it
    to places where I don't know in advance that it will be reasonably
    secure (ideally that the shop will let me bring it inside)

    So, I usually arrive at cycle shops on foot, or on public transport,
    or on skates. And as a general rule I don't tend to wear lycra (at
    least, in public) just for the sake of it. I wonder if it would
    affect the service I get in such places if I did ...

    -dan

    --
    "please make sure that the person is your friend before you confirm"

  13. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Helen Deborah Vecht said:


    I've had this experience in several bike shops (not Harry Hall cos I've
    never gone there)

    Quoted message said:

    You can't have as IIRC you do not meet the FB(OAB) criteria. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Tony

    I'm proud of my 11 stone! (that's hefty for 5'5"😉

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  14. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    According to You and Yours (Radio 4 Wednesday) the boom in the Chinese


    economy

    Quoted message said:

    is going to make bikes more expensive, hard to get, up to a year delay on
    getting parts and shops going out of business:

    Apparently these disappearing steel drain covers are ending up in China as
    well.

    --
    Simon Mason
    Anlaby
    East Yorkshire.
    53°44'N 0°26'W
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

  15. Tony Raven said:
    Terry D said:
    Quoted message said:

    He is so good that on a recent visit he actually refused to sell me a

    bike pump from his display stand because it was rubbish, how's that for
    honesty?

    So why does he stock it? To pawn off on some unsuspecting non-regular?

    Tony


    They were probably dumped on him by some rep, this sort of thing does
    happen. You've no idea what the stuff is like until it turns up then
    you're stuck with it.

    The pumps in question are quite cheap and probably work ok if you don't
    want a lot of pressure. They are unlikely to be able to fully inflate a
    high pressure tyre. I use high pressure tyres so the pump is unsuitable
    and I was advised accordingly. Had I bought one, I would probably have
    been less than satisfied and a good relationship could have been ruined.
    As it was I was given one of the suspect pumps for free on the grounds
    that I shouldn't be riding to work every day without some means of
    putting air into a tyre. I haven't needed to use it, yet.

    Terry Duckmanton.

  16. audrey of said:

    Bloke in HH quite clearly knows 'Fat Gurls in normal clothes' can't
    possibly know that they are talking about when it comes to bike parts
    and only 'Fit blerks in lycra' can be trusted to know their nipples.
    It's not like I was making it perfectly clear what I wanted using the
    correct technical terms, was it? I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she had
    had a very similar experience.

    So HH won't be getting my few quid here and there for bits and pieces
    (being all I can afford to spend right now) nor will they be getting
    my large amounts of quid when finances pick up and I'm in the market
    for a new bike. I shall be mostly shopping at Ken Fosters and Bicycle
    Doctor.

    Try Withington Cycles as well for bits and pieces, especially for
    non-mountain bikes. They will talk technical to fatbirdsonbikes.
    --
    Marriage is a wonderful invention; but, then again,
    so is a bicycle repair kit. - Billy Connolly
    Steph Peters delete invalid from [email hidden]
    Tatting, lace & stitching page <http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm>

  17. Quoted message said:

    Try Withington Cycles as well for bits and pieces, especially for
    non-mountain bikes. They will talk technical to fatbirdsonbikes.

    And they also amuse their customers with the old spectacular exploding
    inner tube trick when they're pumping your tyre back up :-)

  18. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    audrey <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    Bloke in HH quite clearly knows 'Fat Gurls in normal clothes' can't
    possibly know that they are talking about when it comes to bike parts
    and only 'Fit blerks in lycra' can be trusted to know their nipples.
    It's not like I was making it perfectly clear what I wanted using the
    correct technical terms, was it? I thought mebe I was over reacting,
    then I moaned about what happened to another woman cyclist and she
    had had a very similar experience.

    I've had this experience in several bike shops (not Harry Hall cos
    I've never gone there)

    Fat gurls in ordinary clothes NEVER know anything about bicycles, do
    they?

    (I never had this when andymorris was the grease monkey though ;-) )

    You were too busy fending them off.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

  19. "AndyMorris" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fat gurls in ordinary clothes NEVER know anything about bicycles, do
    they?

    (I never had this when andymorris was the grease monkey though ;-) )

    Quoted message said:

    You were too busy fending them off.

    or helping them out...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  20. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    "AndyMorris" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fat gurls in ordinary clothes NEVER know anything about bicycles, do
    they?

    (I never had this when andymorris was the grease monkey though ;-)
    )

    Quoted message said:

    You were too busy fending them off.

    or helping them out...

    I think they needed a lot of helping out.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

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