buying my first bike ever...

My suggestion to you, for your situation, is to buy the cheapest model you can find, which may be
for $59.99 on sale at a place like a Target Store. Learn how to true the wheels and adjust the seat
and handlebars, so it fits you as best it can. For use as a vacation bike, this will probably work
well enough and you can inexpensively find if you want to continue biking into the future. If so,
you can spend more on a fancier model later and you'll have the cheapo bike to use as a spare.

Steve McDonald

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: My suggestion to you, for your situation, is to buy the cheapest model you can find, which
: may be for $59.99 on sale at a place like a Target Store.

No, this is bad advice. You'll only be disappointed in the bike, and you'll be discouraged
from riding.

Better advice: go to a local bike shop that sells several brands. If you have a friend who's
bike-knowledgeable, bring him/her along. Look around, see what's available in your price range. You
may want to look at used models, if they have them. Many bike shops still have models from 2002 and
2001 -- these will cost a bit less. Ask a saleperson for suggestions. If you don't like what you
see, go to another shop, and look some more.

-- Paul

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well, anyway, here's a synopsis:
1. i'm very new to biking.
2. i would like to spend $200-$300.
3. i'd prefer to buy a new bike.
4. i'm not too picky.

even the slightest suggestion would be a ton of help, and i'd really appreciate it. also, if there
are some well-known websites that would be a wonderful resource to someone new to biking, i'd
really appreciate knowing those URL's.

thanks a lot... sorry to barge in...
:-p
-joshua

Joshua:

You ought to be able to find a decent bike, one that fits, one that has reasonable components,
decent brakes and all and has been properly assembled for you $200-$300 dollars.

My suggestion is to shop at several local bike shops, there should be several near U.K. and let them
help you choose the best bike for your needs.

My guess is that a simple mountain bike would most likely fill the bill nicely, durable and
inexpensive but getting the expertise of a good bike shop is important, saving a few dollars on a
bike that does not fit or is poorly assembled, that would be sad.

Jon Isaacs

joshua lee said:

well, anyway, here's a synopsis:
1. i'm very new to biking.
2. i would like to spend $200-$300.
3. i'd prefer to buy a new bike.
4. i'm not too picky.

Look for a low end mountain bike (WITHOUT SUSPENSION) from Trek, Raleigh, or similar name brands. At
the $300 level, a good local bike shop can get you a decent, properly assembled bike that will fit
you properly.

Art Harris

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Have you ever bought one of these lowest-priced bikes? And tuned it up to its best
performance? I did, when I needed a quick and cheap buy to replace a lost bike until I could
find a better one. I put higher-pressure smooth-tread tires on it, replaced the 9
ring-clipped bearings in the crank with 15 loose ones, trued the rims to perfection, and got
a custom seat. I rode the hell out of it for 1 1/2 years, until it began to break down. It
ran quite well on the streets and passably so on dirt. I got my money's worth many times over
from it and salvaged some usable parts when I dumped it. For an inexperienced rider with a
limited budget for a summertime vacation period, I stand by this recommendation. This type of
bike, fully tuned and rigged with a few key improved parts, can run pretty well. I think some
price-snobbery may be the reason so many people reject this low-cost option for a limited-use
bike.

While your approach may work for someone who has the tools, aptitude, and knowledge to put a poorly
assembled bike with some questionable (if not dangerously flimsy) parts to rights, I doubt the
average "newbie" fits that description. Some people are baffled by the fact that there's more than
one size of spoke wrench.

The OP "doesn't know much about bikes," so I agree that for him buying a cheap mass-market bike
would be a bad idea.

There are plenty of entry-level brand-name hybrids and "mountain" bikes available at bike shops for
$200-300. Since that price also buys the support and service of the bike shop, it can be a bargain
for the inexperienced cyclist.

RichC

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joshua lee said:

well, anyway, here's a synopsis:
1. i'm very new to biking.
2. i would like to spend $200-$300.
3. i'd prefer to buy a new bike.
4. i'm not too picky.

No, you're not barging in!

Another tactic might be to contact your local club. Google returned www.louisvillebicycleclub.org/
as one in your area. Like any other hobby, cycling has those who need or want the very latest and
best equipment. I'm not knocking them; if I could afford it, I'd be one of 'em, too!

You've said that you'd prefer a new bike, but I'm going to go against the grain here and claim that
$300 will not get you a quality new bicycle, particularly if you don't already own a pair of cycling
shoes (a must-have, IMHO). There are some great Chinese bikes out there, such as Giant, but I think
you would have a much better bike in a well-maintained high-end used bicycle.

I should add that I'm a roadie, and this advice may not apply to cross or hybrid designs. But my
first bicycle as an adult was an inexpensive new one, and I found that the cost of improving or even
maintaining this bicycle exceeded the price of a good new bike. One tiny example is wheels; a good
wheelset can be regularly trued and even rebuilt. Cheap ones break and pull spokes, etc.

The odds are good that there is a 8-speed Fuji, Tommasini, etc. in Louisville who's owner is using
as a third (road) bike, and would allow you to adopt for a couple of hundred dollars. I'd contact a
local club even if this approach does not appeal to you; they will still have good input regarding
shops, rides, etc.

Bernie

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Another tactic might be to contact your local club. Google returned www.louisvillebicycleclub.org/
as one in your area. Like any other hobby, cycling has those who need or want the very latest and
best equipment. I'm not knocking them; if I could afford it, I'd be one of 'em, too!

You've said that you'd prefer a new bike, but I'm going to go against the grain here and claim
that $300 will not get you a quality new bicycle, particularly if you don't already own a pair of
cycling shoes (a must-have, IMHO).

I would disagree here. I have found that a pair of stiff-soled sneakers (cross-trainers, actually)
work well for me with toe clips. Whatever you use, the sole needs to be stiff.

....

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David Kerber An optimist says "Good morning, Lord." While a pessimist says "Good Lord,
it's morning".

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My suggestion to you, for your situation, is to buy the cheapest model you can find, which
may be for $59.99 on sale at a place like a Target Store.

There's a pretty good chance that such a bike was produced in a Chinese sweat shop using slave labor
conditions. If you buy such a bike, you are in effect advocating this practice. I don't know about
bikes sold at Target; but Huffy brand bikes are known to be produced by endentured workers under
horrific sweatshop conditions.

Giant brand bikes are not produced in sweatshops (AFAIK). Fuji is another great inexpensive brand
that I recommend. If you spend $250 or so on a low-end Giant or Fuji bike (such as a hybrid,
perhaps), you'll be getting a lot for your money, it will be sold by a real bike dealer, and it will
last a very long time without problems.

In hybrids and mountain bikes there is a lot to look at in the $200-$300 range. Marin, Fuji, Giant,
Gary Fisher, Trek, Specialized - just about every major brand has a bike priced in that range. Ride
as many as you can at a real bike shop, and then decide based upon your test rides. We can't tell
you which bike is best for you.

Whatever you do - avoid department stores. Go to a real bike shop. You'll be glad you did.

-Barry

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I would disagree here. I have found that a pair of stiff-soled sneakers (cross-trainers,
actually) work well for me with toe clips. Whatever you use, the sole needs to be stiff.

I have doen many 1000's of miles on my mtn bike (with slicks, not any

technical

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I guess it's whatever you're used to; I learned on clipless pedals, and find that when I rent (at
the seashore, for example) that athletic shoes are very uncomfortable. But boy! am I envious of
those of you who can walk around at

Do your athletic shoes have a nice stiff sole? That's necessary, IMO.

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David Kerber An optimist says "Good morning, Lord." While a pessimist says "Good Lord,
it's morning".

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thanks a lot guys... it never really hit me to just go to a local bike shop and talk with the
owner/look at the bikes. there are actually two of them (bike shops) within walking distance of
campus, so i plan on going there tomorrow to see what i can find.

all of the other advice was very helpful... i was actually considering a department store bike but
now i think i will definitely choose to look around at bike shops.

-joshua

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I guess it's whatever you're used to; I learned on

clipless pedals, and find

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that when I rent (at the seashore, for example) that

athletic shoes are very

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uncomfortable.

Me too. IMO, SPDs are the greatest advance in cycling technology of the last 20 years. I'd even put
them ahead of suspension forks and index shifting.

Sometimes I even bring my pedals, shoes, and a pedal wrench with me when I travel!

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But boy! am I envious of those of you who can walk around

at

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rest stope, etc. without looking like a penguin!

I don't have that problem with SPDs, especially when I wear my SPD-compatible sneakers (Answer
Flatfoot). They feel like normal shoes walking around. People also have great things to say about
SPD sandals. I haven't tried them yet, but they look like they'd do the job too.

Shimano's SPD shoes generally work and walk very well.

Originally, SPDs were very carefully designed for easy clipping and good walkability. Some companies
even made a big deal of having "Shimano approved" SPD soles on their shoes. But lately, things seem
to have drifted off the original spec. A lot of "SPD" shoes have their cleats sticking out too far,
or are hard to clip in with, because the sole is badly designed.

Matt O.

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well, anyway, here's a synopsis:
1. i'm very new to biking.
2. i would like to spend $200-$300.
3. i'd prefer to buy a new bike.
4. i'm not too picky.

See if your local bikeshops have any stuff hanging about from last model year; the new season has
begun, and they won't be averse to getting rid of some of last years' models.

Great thing about that is that, year-to-year, bicycles don't really change all that much; you'll
probably save a good bit of cash this way.

I'd stay away from suspension, unless you figure that most of your riding will be off-road. On the
road, it's no real benefit, and it's another potential failure point, *especially* on
department-store dual-suspension bikes. [which you can afford to avoid, definitely]

buy a multi-tool, some tire levers, a patch kit, and a pump that you can strap onto the bike.
and a lock!

US$200 should get you a pretty nice bike.

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even the slightest suggestion would be a ton of help, and i'd really appreciate it. also, if there
are some well-known websites that would be a wonderful resource to someone new to biking, i'd
really appreciate knowing those URL's.

www.sheldonbrown.com

all the bike information you can use--!

Ride on the road; pick quiet neighbourhood streets first & build confidence. Eventually you can mix
it up in any traffic you want. It's just like driving a car (should say, driving a car is just like
riding a bike...) Remember--you're not blocking traffic, you *are* traffic.

-Luigi

"It's tough to eat [censored], without having visions"

- Allen Ginsberg

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My suggestion to you, for your situation, is to buy the cheapest model you can find, which
may be for $59.99 on sale at a place like a Target Store.

There's a pretty good chance that such a bike was produced in a Chinese sweat shop using slave
labor conditions. If you buy such a bike, you are in effect advocating this practice. I don't know
about bikes sold at Target; but Huffy brand bikes are known to be produced by endentured workers
under horrific sweatshop conditions....

I have been informed that workers that make quality bicycles (e.g. Giant) in Taiwan are typically
paid the equivalent of $12-15 US an hour, which is approximately 30 to 70 times more compensation
than the workers making Huffy's in mainland China receive. [1] In addition, Taiwan has become a
democratic nation in recent years.

[1] This is more than many US factory workers make.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

baltobernie said:

... I guess it's whatever you're used to; I learned on clipless pedals, and find that when I rent
(at the seashore, for example) that athletic shoes are very uncomfortable. But boy! am I envious
of those of you who can walk around at rest stope, etc. without looking like a penguin!

I wear Sidi Dominator II Mega shoes which are identical to the Sidi Genius III road shoes except for
the tread pattern on the soles. While I would not choose these for walking shoes, they are perfectly
fine for rest stops, including walking on hard floor indoors. (A little bit of Shoe Goo on the
bottom of the tread lugs does improve traction, since the soles are hard plastic). They are also
very stiff, which is very important when riding a recumbent with the BB higher than the seat.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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thanks a lot guys... it never really hit me to just go to a local bike shop and talk with the
owner/look at the bikes. there are actually two of them (bike shops) within walking distance of
campus, so i plan on going there tomorrow to see what i can find.

all of the other advice was very helpful... i was actually considering a department store bike but
now i think i will definitely choose to look around at bike shops.

Good call, Joshua.

Be kind to the bike shop folks. They aren't getting rich selling bikes - nobody does. Nothing wrong
with buying last year's bike on sale; but trying to haggle is not recommended. Their margin is about
30%, which ain't much when you consider their overhead and the amount of free service and assembly
that you'll be getting. Basically, as I understand it, accessories, clothing, lube and tools are the
money-makers. The low-end bikes aren't making the shop enough money to keep the doors open. So be
nice. They'll reward you with good advice, patience and the right bike. It's an important
relationship to establish and maintain if you decide that you care about cycling. I hope you find a
bike that makes you feel like riding every day.

Pre-ride bike setup is important. The tires should be aired up properly. The seat should be
level (not tilted). The brakes should work well. The shifters should shift perfectly through all
the gears.

If you ride a bike that you think you might like; but it wasn't setup right, put it aside, ask them
to get it set up properly, and try it again. It's worth it, and if you let the shop know you're
serious about buying, they won't grumble too much (after all, it will be ready for the next customer
after it's adjusted).

I believe that most small shop owners really care about making their customers happy. (As I say,
they're not doing it to get rich, that's for sure). Personally, I avoid the high-school-age
salespeople, in favor of older, more experienced experts (usually the owner or manager of the shop).
They wouldn't be there if they didn't enjoy their work, and it makes a difference. You have to trust
their judgement to some degree.

It is likely that you'll be steered toward the hybrid bikes. This may be the perfect choice for you.
They are quite versatile, comfortable, reasonably fast and offer excellent value for your money.

Good luck and have fun on your bike shopping trip. Let us know what you end up buying.

-Barry

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Me too. IMO, SPDs are the greatest advance in cycling technology of the last 20 years. I'd even
put them ahead of suspension forks and index shifting.

Sometimes I even bring my pedals, shoes, and a pedal wrench with me when I travel!

Quoted message said:

But boy! am I envious of those of you who can walk around

at

Quoted message said:

rest stope, etc. without looking like a penguin!

I don't have that problem with SPDs, especially when I wear my SPD-compatible sneakers (Answer
Flatfoot). They feel like normal shoes walking around. People also have great things to say about
SPD sandals. I haven't tried them yet, but they look like they'd do the job too.

Shimano's SPD shoes generally work and walk very well.

Originally, SPDs were very carefully designed for easy clipping and good walkability. Some
companies even made a big deal of having "Shimano approved" SPD soles on their shoes. But lately,
things seem to have drifted off the original spec. A lot of "SPD" shoes have their cleats sticking
out too far, or are hard to clip in with, because the sole is badly designed.

Matt O.

I've tried other systems over the years, but always seem to go back to Look (road). I <really> liked
Speedplay when they first came out, but the mechanism is in the shoe, not the pedal, and it gets
trashed. At least they make covers for Look cleats, but even with these, walking is difficult. And
doncha know, the group decides to go while I still have coffee remaining, and I've got to snap off
the cleat covers, hopping around on successive feet, CAREFUL not to touch down on linoleum, etc.
which is like ice, stashing the covers in the jersey, finishing the coffee ....... was that Left or
Right at the stopsign?

Bernie

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I believe you won't be a successful or happy bike rider until you learn how to adjust and repair
your own equipment.

But you don't have to do it all at once!

Some people gain pleasure from wrenching. It can be fun. But other people would rather just ride the
bicycle. That is also fun.

Most beginners would much rather just get on the bicycle and ride; there's nothing quite like that
sensation of movement and the knowledge of distance traveled. It's quite a rewarding sensation.

The rewards of truing wheels, servicing bearings, and building things can come later; the main thing
to do is to enjoy the ride.

An old bicycle is great fun and value, but only if you're willing to make it so; it requires a
certain mechanical temperament (which, incidentally, I don't have in overabundance). Why not get
something that's rideable right off the shop?

-Luigi

-Luigi

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I believe you won't be a successful or happy bike rider until you learn how to adjust and
repair your own equipment. If you acquire this ability and the basic tools you'll need to
carry, you can save a lot of money and avoid the long waits and inconveniences, when someone
else fixes your bike. You can also go on long rides and trips with more confidence, knowing
you can resolve most of your breakdowns out on the road. Best of all, you can be a big help
to someone else you meet, who has bike trouble.

I agree with that part.

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What better way to start gaining these skills, than to buy a low-cost bike that has to be
thoroughly readjusted, before it works at its best?

I vehemently disagree with this part. Putting a newbie on a bike that hasn't been assembled and
checked out by a professional is borderline criminal.

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This is why I suggest that people who are starting out, consider buying a cheap model or an older,
beat-up one, so that riding and repairing abilities can develop together.

Horrible, dangerous, insane advice. Nobody should be riding a bike that isn't roadworthy, regardless
of their repair skills. And nobody should be riding a bike that doesn't fit them, that they don't
know how to adjust.

Much better advice is to establish a relationship with a good local bike shop, where you can buy a
decent modestly-priced bike. The mechanics there can show the cyclist how to do all the basic
adjustments to keep the bike safe and functional, and even sell them the necessary tools. They may
run classes on bike maintenance (or know where they're held) and probably serve as an information
source for local bike activities.

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This concept applies to the use of cars, motorcycles, boats or any type of vehicle. In the case of
more complicated machinery, that only a professional could fix, just being able to diagnose the
nature of one's own breakdowns, can save a lot of money and grief.

Yeah? People should buy beat up [censored] motorcycles and cars and have to learn how to fix them before
they're safe to drive? I don't think so.

It's not that people shouldn't learn to maintain the equipment and vehicles they own. It's the
idea of putting people on the road using junk vehicles, and somehow seeing that as beneficial,
that's just nuts

RichC

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I believe you won't be a successful or happy bike rider until you learn how to adjust and repair
your own equipment.

I'm a successful and a happy bike rider. I have only the tiniest inkling as how to adjust and repair
my own equipment, much less repair and adjust some beat-up or [censored] bike.

Good grief, I trained for and then rode in a 200 mile event without having to know how to change a
tire. I still have not a clue about how to twiddle my derailers, much less do things like true a
wheel, and I put several thousand miles on my bike annually.

I'm not saying that not being able to adjust or repair my bike is a virtue, it's just not a
necessity in having a good time. It's the notion that you have to know how to repair and adjust a
bike before riding one that keeps many women from even thinking about riding.

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