Cake Chain Crunch

Cliff Holloway said:

I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The
problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of
the frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps
high enough to be sucked between the large sprocket and
the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can
remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain
& possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a SRAM power link and have filed down the
back side of the large sprocket to remove the munches from
the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem
might not happen if the derailleur tension spring was
stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a manufacturer
whose previous FS attempts have been plagued by chainsuck?

- khill

Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of course,
the first model year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?

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Cliff Holloway said:

I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into

the

Quoted message said:

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swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is
within a 1/4 inch of

the

Quoted message said:

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frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high
enough to be

sucked

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you
compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not
good for the frame, sprocket,

chain &

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a

SRAM

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

power link and have filed down the back side of the
large sprocket to

remove

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped
some. This problem

might

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not happen if the derailleur tension spring was
stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a
manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been plagued
by chainsuck?

- khill

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Quoted message said:

I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The
problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of

the

Quoted message said:

frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high
enough to be

sucked

Quoted message said:

between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you
compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not
good for the frame, sprocket, chain

&

Quoted message said:

possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a

SRAM

Quoted message said:

power link and have filed down the back side of the large
sprocket to

remove

Quoted message said:

the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some.
This problem

might

Quoted message said:

not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

Just a thought. Did you buy this bike online, or did you buy
it from a Local bike Shop. Why not have them have a look at
it. Any good bike shop should be able to assist you. Of
course, if you bought it online, then your at the mercy of
the lbs. Seems like a small adjustment, but then again a new
model always has some growing pains.

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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The
problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of

the

Quoted message said:

frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high
enough to be

sucked

Quoted message said:

between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you
compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not
good for the frame, sprocket, chain

&

Quoted message said:

possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a

SRAM

Quoted message said:

power link and have filed down the back side of the large
sprocket to

remove

Quoted message said:

the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some.
This problem

might

Quoted message said:

not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

Just a thought. Did you buy this bike online, or did you buy
it from a Local bike Shop. Why not have them have a look at
it. Any good bike shop should be able to assist you. Of
course, if you bought it online, then your at the mercy of
the lbs. Seems like a small adjustment, but then again a new
model always has some growing pains.

Cliff Holloway said:

Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of course,
the first model year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?

would a chain guide work?

Cliff Holloway said:

Any ideas or similar experiences?

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"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The
problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of

the

Quoted message said:

frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high
enough to be

sucked

Quoted message said:

between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you
compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not
good for the frame, sprocket, chain

&

Quoted message said:

possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a

SRAM

Quoted message said:

power link and have filed down the back side of the large
sprocket to

remove

Quoted message said:

the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some.
This problem

might

Quoted message said:

not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

I have a Klein Adept (a boutique Fisher Sugar) and although
I haven't seen the Cake, other than In pictures, it seems to
have the same swingarm / chainstay design as mine. If the
drive train is not kept immaculately cleaned and oiled it
SUCKS! I filed some of the aluminum swingarm down so I could
backpedal the chain out from between it and the ring. Is
this area a carbon composite now? You'll get used to it.

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I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted.

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Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a
manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been
plagued by chainsuck?

- khill

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Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of course,
the first model year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?

But it was helpful. Mr. Hill has a very valid point, you
made a mistake by buying that thing in the first place. If
you had done a bit of research on Google (even in this NG),
you might have found out the cake should have been named the
[censored] from someone who took a spin on one of the prototypes.
Sell the damn thing to some other fool and buy a good bike.
That'll solve your problem.

JD

JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.com20Open ↗
04_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the cake gets
4.75 out of 5 very good ratings and not one mention of the
problem I have. Mr. Hill does have a point, nobody including
me likes to buy the first year of production (before the
bugs are worked out) - sometimes it just works out that way.
As far as a piece of [censored] - I think not -- such brash over
generalities are usually based on emotion not logic or
experience. If I don't find a answer (I thought I eliminated
one of the potential causes up front with a quality XT
crank) right away, one will come. I'm a big 6'4" 220 lb Ex
Motocrosser (15 yrs & ex test rider) so I've been down this
thrashing equipment road before. It was hard to give up the
old Cannondale F700 (5 out of 5 on MTBR Reviews) because the
frame was so Solid. Frame flex has always been an issue and
I hope it is not the case here. If it looks hopeless I still
might do something like you suggested.....

Cliff

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Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a
manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been
plagued by chainsuck?

- khill

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Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of
course, the first

model

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?

But it was helpful. Mr. Hill has a very valid point, you
made a mistake by buying that thing in the first place. If
you had done a bit of research on Google (even in this
NG), you might have found out the cake should have been
named the [censored] from someone who took a spin on one of the
prototypes. Sell the damn thing to some other fool and buy
a good bike. That'll solve your problem.

JD

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"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180
crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the
chain is sucked up and jammed into

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is
within a 1/4 inch of

the

Quoted message said:

frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high
enough to be

sucked

Quoted message said:

between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you
compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not
good for the frame, sprocket,

chain

Quoted message said:

&

Quoted message said:

possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG
53 chain for a

SRAM

Quoted message said:

power link and have filed down the back side of the
large sprocket to

remove

Quoted message said:

the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped
some. This problem

might

Quoted message said:

not happen if the derailleur tension spring was
stronger.

Any ideas or similar experiences?

Thanks Cliff

Just a thought. Did you buy this bike online, or did you
buy it from a

Local

Quoted message said:

bike Shop. Why not have them have a look at it. Any good
bike shop should

be

Quoted message said:

able to assist you. Of course, if you bought it online,
then your at the mercy of the lbs. Seems like a small
adjustment, but then again a new

model

Quoted message said:

always has some growing pains.

I did buy the bike from a local shop and they are
scratching their

heads.......hopefully if other people are having problems an
answer will come soon....

Cliff

Thanks for the really detailed information especially at
fagan.co.zaCsuckOpen ↗ .....

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Cliff Holloway said:

Any ideas or similar experiences?

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A guide or some bolt on block on the swing arm that
would prevent the chain from getting up there in the
first place....

Thanks for the idea Cliff "sittingduck" <email.to.sitting-
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Cliff Holloway said:

Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of
course, the first

model

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?

would a chain guide work?

Cliff Holloway said:

JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.comreviewOpen ↗
s/2004_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the
cake gets 4.

Dude, that is now the funniest post of the day. Hint, don't
expect one shred of objectivity for the reviews at MTBR.

Greg

No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars influence going on here?
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Cliff Holloway said:

JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.comreviewOpen ↗
s/2004_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml

where

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the cake gets 4.

Dude, that is now the funniest post of the day. Hint,
don't expect one shred of objectivity for the reviews
at MTBR.

Greg

Cliff Holloway said:

No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars influence
going on

A) Stop top-posting (see how your reply is out of
logical order?).

B) People tend to gush over expensive things they buy.

C) Greg will finish this for me 😉

Bill "fix the suck and enjoy your bike" S.

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Cliff Holloway said:

JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.comreviewOpen ↗
s/2004_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the
cake gets 4.

Dude, that is now the funniest post of the day. Hint,
don't expect one shred of objectivity for the reviews
at MTBR.

Greg

Cliff Holloway said:

No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars influence
going on here?

No, just a lot of blind brand loyalty. I stopped using it
years ago.

Greg

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Cliff Holloway said:

No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars
influence going on

here?

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No, just a lot of blind brand loyalty. I stopped using it
years ago.

Do you think this forum is a better place from which to get
advice?!?! 😉

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Cliff Holloway said:

No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars
influence going on here?

No, just a lot of blind brand loyalty. I stopped using it
years ago.

Do you think this forum is a better place from which to
get advice?!?! 😉

I would have to say yes to that, seriously. I wouldn't say
there's any more objectivity, but the interactive nature of
the NG vs the forum can give you a better feel for where the
reveiwer is coming from and allow you to see engage in more
of a discussion rather than read a long list of statements.
On MBTR dudes will write, "This gear sucked, it broke after
only 5 rides." Here you don't get any more of an impartial
look, but you can see a broader spectrum of comment and make
better judgements about who's opinion is worthwhile and
who's isn't.

Tom

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JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.commtbr.comOpen ↗
2004_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the cake
gets 4.75 out of 5 very good ratings and not one mention
of the problem I have. Mr. Hill does have a point, nobody
including me likes to buy the first year of production
(before the bugs are worked out) - sometimes it just works
out that way. As far as a piece of [censored] - I think not --
such brash over generalities are usually based on emotion
not logic or experience. If I don't find a answer (I
thought I eliminated one of the potential causes up front
with a quality XT crank) right away, one will come. I'm a
big 6'4" 220 lb Ex Motocrosser (15 yrs & ex test rider) so
I've been down this thrashing equipment road before. It
was hard to give up the old Cannondale F700 (5 out of 5 on
MTBR Reviews) because the frame was so Solid. Frame flex
has always been an issue and I hope it is not the case
here. If it looks hopeless I still might do something like
you suggested.....

Don't be so sure about my experience with the GF [censored]. I had
the misfortune to take one of the prototype craps for a spin
and it was laugable. Take a close look at all of the Fruita
photos in this year's GF propaganda catalog. He, his
entrouage of "yes men" and junky bikes were here. Take it
from someone who is 6'-7" 225, it's hopeless.

As far a mtbidiots goes, the Clydesdale forum there might be
worth your while for equipment issues, though you still have
to wade through a few santa crud blind brand loyalists.

JD breakfast digested, time to ride