Calculating Maximum heartrate

[email hidden] (Weir) wrote in news:f5751511.0403271254.3eac6750
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I am trying to calculate my maximum heart rate (to find
target training zone) with a method a bit more accurate
than simply 220 minus age. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

There are several ways. Here's one that I like:

Warm up thoroughly and then run 3 high-intensity 600-meter
repeats up a moderate hill, jogging back down right away
after each one. If you run these 600s all out, your heart
rate should be within 2 to 3 beats of maximum by the end of
the 3rd repeat.

Phil M.

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Weir schrieb:

Quoted message said:

I am trying to calculate my maximum heart rate (to find
target training zone) with a method a bit more accurate
than simply 220 minus age. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

men: HRmax = 214 - (0.5 * age[years]) - (0.11 *
weight[kilograms]) women: HRmax = 210 - (0.5 * age[years])

only an approximation, better test yourself...

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Weir schrieb:

Quoted message said:

I am trying to calculate my maximum heart rate (to find
target training zone) with a method a bit more accurate
than simply 220 minus age. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

men: HRmax = 214 - (0.5 * age[years]) - (0.11 *
weight[kilograms]) women: HRmax = 210 - (0.5 * age[years])

only an approximation, better test yourself...

All you really know from these formulas is that there's
about a 95 percent chance that your maximal heart rate is
within 20 beats per minute of the predicted vaule. Better to
do a performance test as I posted earlier.

Phil M.

Phil M. schrieb:

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Better to do a performance test as I posted earlier.

You are absolutely right. But even such test may result in
different HRmax values, depending on factors like stress,
tiredness, temperature, time of day, and many others...

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"Hans Peter Poste|" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Phil M. schrieb:

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Better to do a performance test as I posted earlier.

You are absolutely right. But even such test may result in
different HRmax values, depending on factors like stress,
tiredness, temperature, time of day, and many others...

True, but it won't be 20 beats per minute off. Also,
according to the OP:

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a method a bit more accurate than simply 220 minus age.

Phil M.

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the real
thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe in
accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot be
sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max. My
Max heart rate was 280 but I was damn tired that afternoon
for the test after a grueling morning workout and didn't
know that I had to run all out for the test and think I
could have gone much higher as I was totally [censored]
that I was beaten out by someone else who was able to go
even higher though he was completely fresh. He took the
damn test so serious it was like a race to him. He even
rested the day before the test. Can you imagine that. I
think he just wanted to beat me out. For what, a stupid
test. I should have done the test again fresh.

Anyway, that's what you have to do. You have to go do a
lab and get tested. Sometimes colleges will do these
tests for free because they need the stats for their
tests and classes. They put you on a treadmill, hook a
tape around you with a heart monitor thingy and then
gradually increase the pace and grade of the treadmill
until you absolutely can't run anymore. So check with a
college first. It's the only way you can get an
accurate reading.

It is however not necessary to know these stats for you
to be able to train properly. So I wouldn't worry about
that part of it.

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Quoted message said:

I am trying to calculate my maximum heart rate (to find
target training zone) with a method a bit more accurate
than simply 220 minus age. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

macelroy said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe in
accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot be
sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max. My
Max heart rate was 280

Macho bullsh*t I'm afraid. It was almost certainly an
artifact (loose lead, poor contact etc.). Any "lab" of
any experience wouldn't have accepted that result as a
true max HR.

Tim

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Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe in
accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot be
sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max. My
Max heart rate was 280 but I was damn tired that
afternoon for the test after a grueling morning workout
and didn't know that I had to run all out for the test
and think I could have gone much higher as I was totally
[censored] that I was beaten out by someone else who was
able to go even higher though he was completely fresh.

First of all, I'll assume the "280" is a typo, and you meant
180. Second of all, the purpose of the MHR test is to test
your MHR, not to beat someone else. Since your MHR is
genetically preditermined, it cannot be changed with
training. The results of the MHR can then be applied to your
specific training program.

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He took the damn test so serious it was like a race to
him.

David? You there? We need a grammar check on this one. Oh,
nevermind, I'm already in his esteemed killfile.

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hook a tape around you with a heart monitor thingy

Thingy? Is that a scientific coaching term?

tkb

tenkbabe said:

First of all, I'll assume the "280" is a typo, and you
meant 180. Second of all, the purpose of the MHR test is
to test your MHR, not to beat someone else. Since your MHR
is genetically preditermined, it cannot be changed with
training.

For a different opinion of this, search for [maximum hear
rate] at drmirkin.com, to get:

9156 - 4/23/01

MAXIMUM HEART RATE FORMULA IS WRONG

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Many of the standard tests used to measure heart function
are based on a nonsensical MAXIMUM HEART RATE formula, that
predicts the fastest your heart can beat and still pump
blood through your body. Although this formula is the golden
standard used today, it is not based on science. In 1970, a
good friend, Sam Fox, was the director of the United States
Public Health Service Program to Prevent heart disease. He
is one of the most respected heart specialists in the world.
He and a young researcher named William Haskell were flying
to a meeting. They put together several studies comparing
maximum heart rate and age. Sam Fox took out a pencil and
plotted a graph of age verses maximum heart rate and said it
looks like maximum heart rate is equal to 220 minus a
person's age. For the last 30 years, this formula has been
taught in physical education and heart function course and
has been used to test heart function and athletic fitness.
In the 1960s, Sam Fox was very helpful to me when I was
competing, planning and setting up running programs, but the
whole concept of maximum heart rate and the formula that it
is equal to 220 minus your age is ridiculous.

The formula is wrong because your legs drive your heart.
Your heart does not drive your legs. Maximum heart rate
depends on the strength of your legs, not the strength of
your heart. When you contract your leg muscles, they squeeze
against the blood vessels near them to pump blood from your
leg veins toward your heart. When your leg muscle relax,
your leg veins fill with blood. So your leg muscles pump
increased amounts of blood toward your heart. This increased
blood fills the heart and causes your heart to be faster and
with more force. This is called the Bainbridge reflex that
doctors are taught in their first year of medical school.
The stronger your legs are, the more blood they can pump,
which causes your heart to beat faster. Since I race at my
maximum speed most weekends on my bicycle, my legs are very
strong and can pump blood forcibly to my heart. The formula,
220 minus age, claims that I can get my heart rate only up
to 220 minus 66 or 154. I am 66 years old and I can easily
get my heart rate above 210 beats a minute because I am in
shape. An out-of-shape 20 year may have maximum heart rate
of only 120.

A pencil mark plotted on a graph during an airplane flight
more than 30 years ago has been the accepted formula for
maximum heart rate for more than 30 years and the medical
community has accepted false dogma, based on no research,
for more than 30 years.

To receive Dr. Mirkin's free health & fitness E-Zine each
week, send a blank email to [email hidden]

This one's easy. Jog nonstop until your heart
implodes.............then subtract one from that heart rate.

implodes?
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This one's easy. Jog nonstop until your heart
implodes.............then subtract one from that
heart rate.

280?

That should be written up in medical journal.

"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe in
accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot be
sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max. My
Max heart rate was 280 but I was damn tired that
afternoon for the test after a grueling morning workout
and didn't know that I had to run all out for the test
and think I could have gone much higher as I was totally
[censored] that I was beaten out by someone else who was
able to go even higher though he was completely fresh.
He took the damn test so serious it was like a race to
him. He even rested the day before the test. Can you
imagine that. I think he just wanted to beat me out. For
what, a stupid test. I should have done the test again
fresh.

Anyway, that's what you have to do. You have to go do a
lab and get tested. Sometimes colleges will do these
tests for free because they need the stats for their
tests and classes. They put you on a treadmill, hook a
tape around you with a heart monitor thingy and then
gradually increase the pace and grade of the treadmill
until you absolutely can't run anymore. So check with a
college first. It's the only way you can get an
accurate reading.

It is however not necessary to know these stats for you
to be able to train properly. So I wouldn't worry about
that part of it.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am trying to calculate my maximum heart rate (to find
target training zone) with a method a bit more accurate
than simply 220 minus age. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

"tenkbabe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (macelroy) wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe
in accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot
be sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max.
My Max heart rate was 280 but I was damn tired that
afternoon for the test after a grueling morning
workout and didn't know that I had to run all out for
the test and think I could have gone much higher as I
was totally [censored] that I was beaten out by
someone else who was able to go even higher though he
was completely fresh.

First of all, I'll assume the "280" is a typo, and you
meant 180. Second of all, the purpose of the MHR test is
to test your MHR, not to beat someone else. Since your MHR
is genetically preditermined, it cannot be changed with
training. The results of the MHR can then be applied to
your specific training program.

Actually HRmax may decrease with endurance training.
This has been noted in the scientific literature for
some time as a possibility.

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He took the damn test so serious it was like a race
to him.

David? You there? We need a grammar check on this one. Oh,
nevermind, I'm already in his esteemed killfile.

Quoted message said:

hook a tape around you with a heart monitor thingy

Thingy? Is that a scientific coaching term?

tkb

macelroy said:

My Max heart rate was 280

^^^ !!!

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but I was damn tired that afternoon for the test after a
grueling morning workout and didn't know that I had to run
all out for the test and think I could have gone much
higher as I was totally [censored] that I was beaten out
by someone else who was able to go even higher though he
was completely fresh. He took the damn test so serious it
was like a race to him. He even rested the day before the
test. Can you imagine that. I think he just wanted to beat
me out. For what, a stupid test. I should have done the
test again fresh.

See, good old Mac isn't all bad. He just made me laugh. I
vote we keep him around for comic relief. Too bad he
chose coaching and not writing for the tonight show as
his vocation.

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Tim Downie said:

macelroy said:

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max. My
Max heart rate was 280

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Macho bullsh*t I'm afraid. It was almost certainly an
artifact (loose lead, poor contact etc.). Any "lab" of
any experience wouldn't have accepted that result as a
true max HR.

Easy, Tim. Your leg should feel a little longer after being
pulled by the group jester (translation: troll).

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It's funny how every test I take is inaccurate to you people
even though I go through great pains to make sure the person
giving the test has the highest credentials and has given
hundreds of other tests.

The tester was a professor at a University and had given
many tests. There could be no possibility of a mistake.
On top of that, I'm telling you that one guy was able to
reach a higher heart rate than me only because he was
rested and I wasn't.

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macelroy said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe
in accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot
be sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max.
My Max heart rate was 280

Macho bullsh*t I'm afraid. It was almost certainly an
artifact (loose lead, poor contact etc.). Any "lab" of
any experience wouldn't have accepted that result as a
true max HR.

Tim

Name of the professor and where he works please. I'll sped the money to
call.
"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's funny how every test I take is inaccurate to you
people even though I go through great pains to make sure
the person giving the test has the highest credentials and
has given hundreds of other tests.

The tester was a professor at a University and had
given many tests. There could be no possibility of a
mistake. On top of that, I'm telling you that one guy
was able to reach a higher heart rate than me only
because he was rested and I wasn't.

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

macelroy said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe
in accurate methods of measurements otherwise you
cannot be sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max.
My Max heart rate was 280

Macho bullsh*t I'm afraid. It was almost certainly an
artifact (loose

lead,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

poor contact etc.). Any "lab" of any experience wouldn't
have accepted

that

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result as a true max HR.

Tim

macelroy said:

It's funny how every test I take is inaccurate to you
people even though I go through great pains to make sure
the person giving the test has the highest credentials and
has given hundreds of other tests.

The tester was a professor at a University and had
given many tests. There could be no possibility of a
mistake. On top of that, I'm telling you that one guy
was able to reach a higher heart rate than me only
because he was rested and I wasn't.

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

macelroy said:

Yes, you are right that any other calculation than the
real thing is not going to be accurate. I only believe
in accurate methods of measurements otherwise you cannot
be sure about anything.

That's why I took a MaxVO2 test with heart rate Max.
My Max heart rate was 280

Macho bullsh*t I'm afraid. It was almost certainly an
artifact (loose lead, poor contact etc.). Any "lab" of
any experience wouldn't have accepted that result as a
true max HR.

Tim

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macelroy said:

It's funny how every test I take is inaccurate to you
people even though I go through great pains to make sure
the person giving the test has the highest credentials and
has given hundreds of other tests.

Not funny at all. The simple truth is that a max hr of 280
wouldn't make you unusual, it wouldn't make you
extrordinary, it would make you bl**dy unique and fit for
inclusion in the Guinness book of records. All cardiac
physiology texts books would have to be rewritten.

Before anyone will believe such a ludicrous claim, we'd need
to see a copy of your ECG.

Tell you what, given that it never existed, how about you
find just *one* example on the net of any adult with a HR of
280 and post the url?

Tim

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