Campagnolo components and the Tour...

Of course, it couldn't have anything to do with Campagnolo simply
outbidding Shimano for sponsorships of the teams... :-)

Campy been sponsoring procycling in Europe for seemingly forever.

Shimano has significantly encroached on Campy's domain.

You could say Shimano outbid Campy on 9 of those teams..

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Of course, it couldn't have anything to do with Campagnolo simply
outbidding Shimano for sponsorships of the teams... :-)

I have both Campy Record 10 and Shimano Dura Ace 8 speed. I find that the
Shimano shifts the front better than the campy. Campy having a longer throw
than the Shimano. The Campy has some play on the front upshift lever before
the cable starts to move. There is not any stack in the cable, just the
ergo lever has some slop. I like the hoods on the Shimano better. I cannot
speak for the Shimano 10 speed, never tried it.

I went for the Campy on my new bike to try something different. I liked the
~100 grams savings on the levers and the hidden shift cable.

Both work close enough to be competitive. Note 6 maybe 7 years in a row
Shimano has won the Tour de France. But I don't think it is the equipment.
Remember it is the motor not the bicycle. I think the pro team use whatever
they get paid more to use as long as using the equipment wouldn't put them
at a disadvantage.

cel

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Campy been sponsoring procycling in Europe for seemingly forever.

Shimano has significantly encroached on Campy's domain.

You could say Shimano outbid Campy on 9 of those teams..

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Of course, it couldn't have anything to do with Campagnolo simply
outbidding Shimano for sponsorships of the teams... :-)

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I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing recently, or do pro
racers just prefer Campagnolo?

There was a time when Campagnolo was used by almost every pro racer, it
wasn't until a few years ago that a Shimano-equipped rider won the Tour de
France. Superior marketing, deep pockets, a willingness to innovate and some
good products have enabled Shimano to become a dominant player in the
high-end road bike market, which was once dominated by Campagnolo.
--
mark

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing recently, or do pro
racers just prefer Campagnolo?

In the US the 80/20 Shimano/Campagnolo split for new bikes is more
likely 95/5. But in Europe, where almost all professional bike racing
occurs, it is likely very different. Someone from Europe would have to
give an estimate of the split. By reading the various British cycling
magazines I get the perception Campagnolo is very common in Europe,
unlike the US.

As for judging what sells in the consumer market based on what the pros
ride, most of the pros seem to be using tubulars on deep dish carbon
wheels. I don't see those too often.

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing recently, or do pro
racers just prefer Campagnolo?

The major tours are always about 50-50. It is in terms of sponsorship,
not anything that is reflected in sales. How's Chevy doin in the US?
Not well altho most Nascars are 'Chevy' labeled.

Most bicycles in the US that start as frames in bike shops are equipped
with Campagnolo in the US. Campagnolo, on the other hand, can't seem to
get their arms around OEM. Of the bicycles we sell, about 95% are
Campagnolo.

Campagnolo is doing very well, shimano is seeing some erosion in their
sales at the hands of Sram(MTB stuff). Bicycle sales for the first time
saw road bike percentage the same as 26inch MTB sales.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing recently, or do pro
racers just prefer Campagnolo?

Perhpas because there are only two component makers, such ado about
components. I think framesets are much more important. The heart of the
bicycle where as the bike parts are pretty minor. Seems lots of carbon,
fewer aluminum/carbon, lots of carbon wheels/tubular tires. Wonder when
the last tour had any steel or titanium
frames?

Titanium/carbon blends seems to get a lot of attention in the US. Never
been one of these in a major euro pro race AFAIK.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams
are using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the
ratio of bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy
components is something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing
recently, or do pro racers just prefer Campagnolo?

In the US the 80/20 Shimano/Campagnolo split for new bikes is more
likely 95/5. But in Europe, where almost all professional bike racing
occurs, it is likely very different. Someone from Europe would have
to give an estimate of the split. By reading the various British
cycling magazines I get the perception Campagnolo is very common in
Europe, unlike the US.

As for judging what sells in the consumer market based on what the
pros ride, most of the pros seem to be using tubulars on deep dish
carbon wheels. I don't see those too often.

In college racing you do. Bora this, Zipp 404 that... 50mm+ section is all
the rage for kids who have no bottom to their pockets.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Most bicycles in the US that start as frames in bike shops are
equipped with Campagnolo in the US. Campagnolo, on the other hand,
can't seem to get their arms around OEM. Of the bicycles we sell,
about 95% are Campagnolo.

I really am wondering when I ask this of you... I'm not trying to insult you
at all. But how many of the bikes do you sell with square-taper (probably
quite a few with Campy) bottom brackets or threaded stems?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so.

That might be the ratio for USA bike sales, but the Tour de France
is not in the USA and the teams are mostly not from the USA.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Most bicycles in the US that start as frames in bike shops are equipped
with Campagnolo in the US. Campagnolo, on the other hand, can't seem to
get their arms around OEM. Of the bicycles we sell, about 95% are
Campagnolo.

Good point, peter. What major (non-italian) OEM label is using
campagnolo today ?? Just a few years ago it was LeMond, but even that
label has gone full shimangalo as the "Big T" bicycle company seems to
have gone single-source for all its bicycling components.

I never thought that "Big T" - the mother of the mongrel bike - would
go single-source. I guess that's what monopolization does ... I
guess the word "mono" prefixes both monopolization and monoculture ...

Since road bike unit sales are increasing quickly,

http://nbda.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=34

Campy will need to get off their butts soon, or they really will cede
the road bike market to Shimano once and for all ...

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Perhpas because there are only two component makers, such ado about
components. I think framesets are much more important. The heart of the
bicycle where as the bike parts are pretty minor. Seems lots of carbon,
fewer aluminum/carbon, lots of carbon wheels/tubular tires. Wonder when
the last tour had any steel or titanium
frames?

More than a few years ago Vitus sponsored a team. Team with the hard
guy who became a Belgian but was Russian. Won a few of the spring
classics. They used steel Vitus bikes.

Quoted message said:

Titanium/carbon blends seems to get a lot of attention in the US. Never
been one of these in a major euro pro race AFAIK.

Robbie McEwen won quite a few races on a Litespeed Ultimate when his
team was sponsored for one year by Litespeed. Just a couple years ago.
Then his team, Lotto and another big Belgian team, merged and they
chose Merckx as the team bike since it was the bike of the other team.

Found some links at Cycling News.

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Perhpas because there are only two component makers, such ado about
components. I think framesets are much more important. The heart of the
bicycle where as the bike parts are pretty minor. Seems lots of carbon,
fewer aluminum/carbon, lots of carbon wheels/tubular tires. Wonder when
the last tour had any steel or titanium
frames?

More than a few years ago Vitus sponsored a team. Team with the hard
guy who became a Belgian but was Russian. Won a few of the spring
classics. They used steel Vitus bikes.

Quoted message said:

Titanium/carbon blends seems to get a lot of attention in the US. Never
been one of these in a major euro pro race AFAIK.

Robbie McEwen won quite a few races on a Litespeed Ultimate when his
team was sponsored for one year by Litespeed. Just a couple years ago.
Then his team, Lotto and another big Belgian team, merged and they
chose Merckx as the team bike since it was the bike of the other team.

2002 was the year Lotto used Litespeed. Raced in the Tour de France.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/oct02/worlds/?id=emr/CHbikerobbie

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2002/tradeshows02/?id=eurobike02/lightspeed

Quoted message said:

Both work close enough to be competitive. Note 6 maybe 7 years in a row
Shimano has won the Tour de France. But I don't think it is the equipment.

No, probably not the equipment. LA has had some notable equipment
issues over the years, as recently as unclipping from his pedal at the
start on Saturday. Probably that kind of stuff happens to Campy teams
as well.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams are
using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the ratio of
bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy components is
something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing recently, or do pro
racers just prefer Campagnolo?

In the US the 80/20 Shimano/Campagnolo split for new bikes is more
likely 95/5. But in Europe, where almost all professional bike racing
occurs, it is likely very different. Someone from Europe would have to
give an estimate of the split. By reading the various British cycling
magazines I get the perception Campagnolo is very common in Europe,
unlike the US.

As for judging what sells in the consumer market based on what the pros
ride, most of the pros seem to be using tubulars on deep dish carbon
wheels. I don't see those too often.

From what I see here in Switzerland, 80/20 is realistic.
I notice that the more you go to north, the more shimano you find.
OTOH if you go to south (towards Italy) the Campy ratio increases (but I
don't think it goes to more than 70/30 though).
Anyway I could be wrong, it's just a personal impression.

Francesco

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Francesco Devittori <frenkatfrenkdtcm> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I noticed in the Velo News Tour supplement that 12 of the 21 teams
are using Campy components. Seems like I remember hearing that the
ratio of bikes sold through bike shops with Shimano or Campy
components is something like 80/20 or so. Has that been changing
recently, or do pro racers just prefer Campagnolo?

In the US the 80/20 Shimano/Campagnolo split for new bikes is more
likely 95/5. But in Europe, where almost all professional bike
racing occurs, it is likely very different. Someone from Europe
would have to give an estimate of the split. By reading the various
British cycling magazines I get the perception Campagnolo is very
common in Europe, unlike the US.

As for judging what sells in the consumer market based on what the
pros ride, most of the pros seem to be using tubulars on deep dish
carbon wheels. I don't see those too often.

From what I see here in Switzerland, 80/20 is realistic.
I notice that the more you go to north, the more shimano you find.
OTOH if you go to south (towards Italy) the Campy ratio increases
(but I don't think it goes to more than 70/30 though).
Anyway I could be wrong, it's just a personal impression.

Francesco

Aside from the market penetration splits, I think Europeans are less
ideological about the brands.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine
*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

I believe that Cannondale, Giant, and Lemond all have Campy equipped
bikes in their '05 lineups (and at various pricepoints, from Veloce to
Record)

Ted Cookson

On 5 Jul 2005 10:48:12 -0700, [email hidden] (Donald Gillies)

Quoted message said:

Good point, peter. What major (non-italian) OEM label is using
campagnolo today ?? Just a few years ago it was LeMond, but even that
label has gone full shimangalo as the "Big T" bicycle company seems to
have gone single-source for all its bicycling components.

I never thought that "Big T" - the mother of the mongrel bike - would
go single-source. I guess that's what monopolization does ... I
guess the word "mono" prefixes both monopolization and monoculture ...

Since road bike unit sales are increasing quickly,

http://nbda.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=34

Campy will need to get off their butts soon, or they really will cede
the road bike market to Shimano once and for all ...

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

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I believe that Cannondale, Giant, and Lemond all have Campy equipped
bikes in their '05 lineups (and at various pricepoints, from Veloce to
Record)

Don't forget to add Marin and Bianchi.

Trek bought Litespeeds for Lance to race on for awhile-

http://espn.go.com/cycling/france99/features/01369334.html