Campy BB question

Road Man said:

Hi!

I'm in the process of building up my Woodrup frame, which has a 68 mm
bottom bracket, presumably English threads. I have a Campy Racing T
triple crank I can put on it and a Campy C-record double. What bottom
brackets will work for each, and is there a BB that will work for
both?

Yes, any Campagnolo 111mm length spindle BB. Like a AC-H or new
Centaur, both in 111mm.

This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record crank
is from 1984 thru 1993.

Quoted message said:

Thanks!

Ken Freeman

Road Man said:

Hi!

I'm in the process of building up my Woodrup frame, which has a 68 mm
bottom bracket, presumably English threads. I have a Campy Racing T
triple crank I can put on it and a Campy C-record double. What bottom
brackets will work for each, and is there a BB that will work for
both?

I think that a 107 JIS or 111 ISO will work ok. Examples would be a
Shimano UN53 or Campy Centaur 111, respectively. If the seatube is 32
mm, you may need a 110 JIS or 115.5 ISO.

Paul Kopit said:

Road Man said:

Hi!

I'm in the process of building up my Woodrup frame, which has a 68 mm
bottom bracket, presumably English threads. I have a Campy Racing T
triple crank I can put on it and a Campy C-record double. What bottom
brackets will work for each, and is there a BB that will work for
both?

I think that a 107 JIS or 111 ISO will work ok. Examples would be a
Shimano UN53 or Campy Centaur 111, respectively. If the seatube is 32
mm, you may need a 110 JIS or 115.5 ISO.

Bad advice, as has been hashed around, by recommending JIS taper. LOTS
of ISO taper BBs around, not scarce, no reason to NOT use the ISO BB.

Peter states:

<This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record
crank is from 1984 thru 1993. >

Was there another period when the "C-Record" crank were made?

You may have already given me what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure.
So let me try to clarify a little. Will a 111 mm Campy BB suit both a
Racing tiple and a C-record double? I'd like to be able to test if I
like a triple-shifting life versus a double-shifting life on this bike
(I know, geeks with road bikes, go figger), so I'd like to be able to
swap between those two crank sets without disturbing the BB. I'd also
like to have a proper chainline with both cranksets.

The Woodrup has a 28.6 seat tube, and the C-record is from '84 or '85.

Shimano and ISO tapers are different from Campy, aren't they?

Ken

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Road Man said:

Hi!

I'm in the process of building up my Woodrup frame, which has a 68
mm
bottom bracket, presumably English threads. I have a Campy Racing
T
triple crank I can put on it and a Campy C-record double. What
bottom
brackets will work for each, and is there a BB that will work for
both?

Yes, any Campagnolo 111mm length spindle BB. Like a AC-H or new
Centaur, both in 111mm.

This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record
crank
is from 1984 thru 1993.

Quoted message said:

Thanks!

Ken Freeman

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Peter states:
<This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record
crank is from 1984 thru 1993. >

bfd said:

Was there another period when the "C-Record" crank were made?

I would have said that just as Peter did to ensure that's
exactly what was meant. In the shop, it's common to be asked
for a C-180 chainring, then the customer brings in Nuovo
Record arm and the other way around too.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

bfd said:

Peter states:

<This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record
crank is from 1984 thru 1993. >

Was there another period when the "C-Record" crank were made?

'C' Record was made from 1984 thru the early part of 1990 when it
became known as 'Record' but the crank and the 111mm spindle stayed the
same until the 1995 model year. Then the spindle became 102mm.

Road Man said:

You may have already given me what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure.
So let me try to clarify a little. Will a 111 mm Campy BB suit both a
Racing tiple and a C-record double?

Yes it will.

I'd like to be able to test if I

Quoted message said:

like a triple-shifting life versus a double-shifting life on this bike
(I know, geeks with road bikes, go figger), so I'd like to be able to
swap between those two crank sets without disturbing the BB. I'd also
like to have a proper chainline with both cranksets.

The Woodrup has a 28.6 seat tube, and the C-record is from '84 or '85.

Shimano and ISO tapers are different from Campy, aren't they?

They are and the abundance of proper BBs available make useage of an
imprper BB not necessary.

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Ken

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Road Man said:

Hi!

I'm in the process of building up my Woodrup frame, which has a 68
mm
bottom bracket, presumably English threads. I have a Campy Racing
T
triple crank I can put on it and a Campy C-record double. What
bottom
brackets will work for each, and is there a BB that will work for
both?

Yes, any Campagnolo 111mm length spindle BB. Like a AC-H or new
Centaur, both in 111mm.

This assuming the seatube of the Woodrup is 28.6 and the C-Record
crank
is from 1984 thru 1993.

Quoted message said:

Thanks!

Ken Freeman

I got this crankset used in the mid-80s, and it is definitely not a
Nuovo or
Super. It has the one spider integral with the pedal arm, and it was
the
first such design. So it fits Peter's 111 mm time frame.

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'C' Record was made from 1984 thru the early part of 1990 when it
became known as 'Record' but the crank and the 111mm spindle stayed
the
same until the 1995 model year. Then the spindle became 102mm.

Ken

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Bad advice, as has been hashed around, by recommending JIS taper. LOTS
of ISO taper BBs around, not scarce, no reason to NOT use the ISO BB.

The Campy ACH x 111 ISO bb used those damned star shaped cups to
insall. I understand that the later Campy bb use the Campy lockring
tool to do the job. Unless you spent lots of $ on the TACX tool, there
was no way to torque the Park tool for the star cup. Other than
Campy, I think that 111 ISO is not so common.

107 JIS bb are much more available and using a Shimano tool or ISIS
tool, like a Pedros or FSA works fine.

In my limited experience, I've had great luck with Campy AC-H and
Shimano UN5?, UN7?, and UN91.

My Cannondale road tandem, 140 mm dropouts, uses a AC-H 115.5 bb for
either a Racing-T crankarm or Sugino XD set up as a 110 ring spaced
'compact' double. There has been zero problem.

I agree that the Campy ACH cups are a pain to install, but I think the
point Peter was trying to make is that using a Shimano or JIS tapered
bb with a Campy crank runs the risk of ruining the crank. Why take the
chance? In that case, if you're going to use a Campy crank, its best to
use either a Campy bb or one with Campy ISO taper. Campy ACH or similar
bb are affordable and work well.

Simiarly, if you have a Shimano or Sugino crank that uses JIS taper bb,
then uses a JIS bb. Shimano UN-xx series are excellent bb for the money.

Thanks to all for the help! I'm looking for a 111 mm campy BB,
because I don't believe the Shimano tapers will be a good fit. The
Campy's don't cost that much, anyway.

Best regards,

Ken

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I agree that the Campy ACH cups are a pain to install, but I think
the
point Peter was trying to make is that using a Shimano or JIS
tapered
bb with a Campy crank runs the risk of ruining the crank. Why take
the
chance? In that case, if you're going to use a Campy crank, its best
to
use either a Campy bb or one with Campy ISO taper. Campy ACH or
similar
bb are affordable and work well.

Simiarly, if you have a Shimano or Sugino crank that uses JIS taper
bb,
then uses a JIS bb. Shimano UN-xx series are excellent bb for the
money.

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

...
Yes, any Campagnolo 111mm length spindle BB. Like a AC-H or new
Centaur, both in 111mm.

What type of grease should I use on the tapers when installing the
cranks?

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Johnny Sunset said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

...
Yes, any Campagnolo 111mm length spindle BB. Like a AC-H or new
Centaur, both in 111mm.

What type of grease should I use on the tapers when installing the
cranks?

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Put 2 people in a room and ask this question, get three 'opinions'....

You 'should' do what the factory recommends, like I do.

Paul Kopit said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Bad advice, as has been hashed around, by recommending JIS taper. LOTS
of ISO taper BBs around, not scarce, no reason to NOT use the ISO BB.

The Campy ACH x 111 ISO bb used those damned star shaped cups to
insall. I understand that the later Campy bb use the Campy lockring
tool to do the job. Unless you spent lots of $ on the TACX tool, there
was no way to torque the Park tool for the star cup. Other than
Campy, I think that 111 ISO is not so common.

107 JIS bb are much more available and using a Shimano tool or ISIS
tool, like a Pedros or FSA works fine.

I guess this falls into YMMV. I use the new park tool for the AC-H all
the time..NOT expensive. Call around and see how many bike shops
actually have a 107mm shimano cart bearing square taper BB...not many
in Boulder.

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In my limited experience, I've had great luck with Campy AC-H and
Shimano UN5?, UN7?, and UN91.

My Cannondale road tandem, 140 mm dropouts, uses a AC-H 115.5 bb for
either a Racing-T crankarm or Sugino XD set up as a 110 ring spaced
'compact' double. There has been zero problem.

My point is that I believe that you should use the correct part for the
job, not something else, unless that correct part is just not
available. 'Not available' mostly means a lazy bike shop, not that it
truly can't be found.

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What type of grease should I use on the tapers when installing the
cranks?

You 'should' do what the factory recommends, like I do.

So, Peter, what DOES the factory recommend? Grease or not? I've done
a few recent Nuovo Record R&Rs on my older bike without grease but
with a torque wrench based on Lennard Zinn's recommendation in print,
with no problems.

Ken

Road Man said:

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What type of grease should I use on the tapers when installing the
cranks?

You 'should' do what the factory recommends, like I do.

So, Peter, what DOES the factory recommend? Grease or not? I've done
a few recent Nuovo Record R&Rs on my older bike without grease but
with a torque wrench based on Lennard Zinn's recommendation in print,
with no problems.

Ken

Dry spindle, torqued to 23.6 to 28 ft-lbs.