Campy Electric Group?

Art-<< What happened to all those rumors of Campy coming out
with an electric Record Group for 2005? >><BR><BR>

Still in development, biggest problem is getting a battery
with enough sustainable power to move the front and rear
ders. The one I saw was large, mounted next to a bottle
cage. Don't know if it will make it for 2005, but I'm
guessing it will eventually and I am just as sure some
will buy it.

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What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are the
answer to a question nobody asked. Zap and mektronic failed
for a reason. Excessive complexity and weight. I find cable
shifting perfectively effective and reliable. One thing you
don't want to happen is the battery failing, and being stuck
in 53x12 going up a steep grade...

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Art-<< What happened to all those rumors of Campy coming
out with an electric Record Group for 2005? >><BR><BR>

Still in development, biggest problem is getting a battery
with enough sustainable power to move the front and rear
ders. The one I saw was

large,

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mounted next to a bottle cage. Don't know if it will make
it for 2005, but

I'm

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guessing it will eventually and I am just as sure some
will buy it.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Andre said:

What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are
the answer to a question nobody asked.

They would be one answer to the question 'how to fit a front
derailleur to a frame with no braze ons for cables, which is
the situation I have on one of my bikes.

Quoted message said:

Zap and mektronic failed for a reason. Excessive
complexity and weight. I find cable shifting perfectively
effective and reliable. One thing you don't want to
happen is the battery failing, and being stuck in 53x12
going up a steep grade...

But you wouldn't be going up the steep grade for very long
🙂

Pete

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Quoted message said:

What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are
the answer to a question nobody asked.

They would be one answer to the question 'how to fit a
front derailleur to a frame with no braze ons for cables,
which is the situation I have on one of my bikes.

does my memory deceive me, or did the ancients use a
technology known as a "clamp" for such a function?

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Originally posted by Ningi

BAndre said:

What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are
the answer to a question nobody asked.

They would be one answer to the question 'how to fit a front
derailleur to a frame with no braze ons for cables, which is
the situation I have on one of my bikes.

Pete [/B]

Pete, come on man! Think! There is such a thing as a front derailleur clamp-on. Remember?! 🙄

BaCardi said:

Ningi said:

Andre said:

What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups
are the answer to a question nobody asked.

They would be one answer to the question 'how to fit a
front derailleur to a frame with no braze ons for
cables, which is the situation I have on one of my
bikes. Pete

Pete, come on man! Think! There is such a thing as a front
derailleur clamp-on. Remember?! 🙄

I'm not worried about the FD itself. What I am more
interested in is how to successfully mount and adjust the
derailleur cable, for which there are no braze-ons on one
of my bikes.

If you know of such a thing, I'm extremely interested, as
googling hasn't turned up any yet.

Cheers!

Pete

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I'm not worried about the FD itself. What I am more
interested in is how to successfully mount and adjust the
derailleur cable, for which there are no braze-ons on one
of my bikes.

If you know of such a thing, I'm extremely interested, as
googling hasn't turned up any yet.

Cheers!

Pete [/B]

Try this out: http://rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/shifters_derailleurs/17107.html

Eric

Eric St. Mary said:

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I'm not worried about the FD itself. What I am more
interested in is how to successfully mount and adjust
the derailleur cable, for which there are no braze-ons
on one of my bikes. If you know of such a thing, I'm
extremely interested, as googling hasn't turned up any
yet. Cheers! Pete

Try this out: rivendellbicycles.comshifteOpen ↗
rs_derailleurs/17107.html

Eric

Looks like just the thing. Have to add it to my list for
next time I'm in the US.

Thanks!

Pete

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Ningi said:

I'm not worried about the FD itself. What I am more
interested in is how to successfully mount and adjust the
derailleur cable, for which there are no braze-ons on one
of my bikes.

If you know of such a thing, I'm extremely interested, as
googling hasn't turned up any yet.

For the front gear wire, just pass it up under the BB.
Nothing else is required. No it won't cut through your
frame.

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Andre
What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are the
answer to a question nobody asked. Zap and mektronic failed
for a reason. Excessive complexity and weight. I find cable
shifting perfectively effective and reliable. One thing you
don't want to happen is the battery failing, and being stuck
in 53x12 going up a steep grade...

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Andre Charlebois AGC-PC support agc-pc.tripod.comagc-pc.tripod.comOpen ↗
BPE, MCSE4.0, CNA, A+

Couldn't agree more. Campy tried to follow Mavic's footsteps in electronic shifting. Now they are finding out what Mavic already knew about when they gave up on the Mektronic.

The design is heavy and even less aero than having 2 wires. The rear derailleur is bigger. The front derailleur is bigger and heavier. You have the main battery that is mounted next to a water bottle, similar to a pump. There are secondary batteries housed in the Ergo levers. More weight, less aero, what's the point?

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Quoted message said:

What a waste of R&D effort. These electronic setups are
the answer to a question nobody asked. Zap and mektronic
failed for a reason. Excessive complexity and weight. I
find cable shifting perfectively effective and reliable.
One thing you don't want to happen is the battery failing,
and being stuck in 53x12 going up a steep grade...

What? First who of you have ever riden a bike with the Mavic
Mektronic or Zap system? For a distance longer than around
the block?

I have ridden the Mektronic groupo since in creation! and
still do. It is a great groupo (minus the BB and cranks
which I think were never sold in the US) it is light and
shifts smooth as butter to this day, and is stealthy quiet
on shifts. Mimimal tuning required (one adjuster on the rear
derailure), yes the front derailure is a friction shifter,
that can be imporved on. Yes, its wigged out on me, but I am
still able to manually position the rear derailure into any
position to accomidate the terrain it also stays in that
position without any special object or leverage, let me see
anyone try that with a cable system and no tools, I have to
stop or try to do it while riding and accidentally get my
fingers in the spokes (I stop and adjust). I can also shift
the front derailure so you actually have two possible gears.
For many who never read the instructions provided with the
system, while riding you can do the three finger salute (ala
Microsoft OS) and the system resets and attempts or actually
fixes itself back to working order!

Campy is very smart to go electronic and at the same time
keep its regular system going. Yes, its a niche market but
the day Campytronic goes on the market I will get one, then
figure out which bike to put it on. If the pro's start using
it you will have it on your bike soon after. Much like the
downtube friction shifter the ergo shifter cable system will
fall by the way side, if (yes if) campy does a good job or
gets it right. Not that I know how to solve the problem of
producing a big enough force to get the chain on the big
chainring with the front derailure (hence the big battery in
the demo units we've seen here and there in pics only). The
only down side to the Campy version is that it has wires,
Mavic went the extra 9 yards and made it wireless! Too cool.

To end, I also ride a fixed gear bike and a cabled one, I'm
not all techno. And yes I've crashed it (its dinged up),
ridden it in the rain and worked and still works. Now to get
a on-board battery charger so the batteries don't fail (they
last like a year and a half, for me, possibley two years?)

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The only down side to the Campy version is that it has
wires, Mavic went the extra 9 yards and made it wireless!
Too cool.

A wireless gear shifting system would open up interesting
possibilities for electronic skulduggery in pro racing. :-)

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Dave...