Can you cycle in Glasgow Green?

On 13/08/2006 at 15:35:57 [email hidden] wrote :

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I just ignored him and continued cycling on as he was obviously at it.

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Can you cycle there?

Of course you can, as he was obviously "at it" 😉

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On 13/08/2006 at 15:35:57 [email hidden] wrote :

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Just back from a cycle ride around the Green and this Parkie grabs me
and says..

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"You'll have to cycle out of here. Public Access way, you cannae cycle
in here"

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I just ignored him and continued cycling on as he was obviously at it.

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Can you cycle there?

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Thank you.

Sorry I lost my bookmark 🙂

"The park forms part of the Glasgow to Edinburgh Cycle Route, National
Cycle Network Route 75."

http://tinyurl.com/zms5q

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On 13/08/2006 at 15:35:57 [email hidden] wrote :

Quoted message said:

Just back from a cycle ride around the Green and this Parkie grabs me
and says..

Quoted message said:

"You'll have to cycle out of here. Public Access way, you cannae cycle
in here"

Quoted message said:

I just ignored him and continued cycling on as he was obviously at it.

Quoted message said:

Can you cycle there?

Quoted message said:

Thank you.

Sorry I lost my bookmark 🙂

"The park forms part of the Glasgow to Edinburgh Cycle Route, National
Cycle Network Route 75."

http://tinyurl.com/zms5q

I don't suppose that gives you carte blanche to ride all over the park
though ...

On 13/08/2006 at 15:49:33 Rob Morley wrote :

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Sorry I lost my bookmark 🙂

"The park forms part of the Glasgow to Edinburgh Cycle Route, National
Cycle Network Route 75."

http://tinyurl.com/zms5q

I don't suppose that gives you carte blanche to ride all over the park
though ...

Well as long as the OP was not driving recklessly or in the sandpits
etc, then it should be fine 🙂

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I just generally stick to the riverside where the Humane Society's
house is.

Quoted message said:

Just back from a cycle ride around the Green and this Parkie grabs me
and says..

"You'll have to cycle out of here. Public Access way, you cannae cycle
in here"

I just ignored him and continued cycling on as he was obviously at it.

Can you cycle there?

Thank you.

I presume the Scottish Outdoor Access Code applies there, which
basically means you are allowed to cycle anywhere you like, as long as
you are "responsible".

See http://www.outdooraccess-scotland.com/default.asp

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On 13 Aug 2006 07:35:57 -0700 someone who may be
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Can you cycle there?

Presumably the Council are responsible. Why not ask them?

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Can you cycle there?

Yes you can. The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 gives full access
anywhere other than certain exceptions like private gardens. I had a
similiar problem earlier this year where somebody thought cycling was
still not allowed at Milngavie Reservoir. Formerly banned by a bylaw
but now legal. Glasgow Green will be the same. If there was ever any
local bylaw prohibiting cycling it will be superceded by the Land
Reform Act.
It might be the case that large organizations like Glasgow City
Council have not ensured all signage has been updated and all employees
properly trained.
Its your call, but to prevent this employee spoiling someone elses
day it might be worth contacting the council to complain.

Land Services General Enquiries
Phone: 0141 287 5108
E-mail [email hidden]

Glasgow City Council Cycling Line
Phone: 0141 287 9171

Glasgow City Council
Jolyon Gritten
Access Officer
Tel: 0141 287 8585
Email: [email hidden]
Website: www.glasgow.gov.uk

Jolyon Gritten is the access officer for Glasgow listed in the Outdoor
access site
www.outdooraccess-scotland

Iain

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Just back from a cycle ride around the Green and this Parkie grabs me
and says..

"You'll have to cycle out of here. Public Access way, you cannae cycle
in here"

I just ignored him and continued cycling on as he was obviously at it.

Can you cycle there?

Thank you.

Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003

1 Access rights
(1) Everyone has the statutory rights established by this Part of
this Act.
(2) Those rights (in this Part of this Act called "access
rights"😉 are-
(a) the right to be, for any of the purposes set out in
subsection (3) below, on land; and
(b) the right to cross land.
....
6 Land over which access rights not exercisable
(1) The land in respect of which access rights are not exercisable is
land-
....
(d) to which public access is, by or under any enactment other than
this Act, prohibited, excluded or restricted;
....
(j) which has been specified in an order under section 11 or in
byelaws under section 12 below as land in respect of which
access rights are not exercisable.

Nothing else in the Land Reform Act prevents crossing Glasgow Green. So
unless there is a specific Act of Parliament applying to Glasgow Green
or a specific byelaw relating to Glasgow Green and conforming with
section 12 of the LRA, you can cycle. And note that if there's a
customary right of way across Glasgow Green (which there most certainly
is) then under section 12(3)(a) the Land Reform Act trumps any byelaw.

So I would carry on cycling, and if the parkie stops you again, threaten
the Council with, erm, the Council. Who have a duty under the act to
protect your access rights, by, if necessary, prosecuting anyone who
seeks to limit them.

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Thanks for all your help guys.

Hi David:

I'll just have to take a turn round there tonight on the way home then!

Robert

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Thanks for all your help guys.

I think that you will have to contact the council to determine the exact
position. In the Scottish Access Code is the following clause.

"Access rights can be exercised in most urban parks, country parks and
other managed open spaces. These parks are normally provided for
recreational and educational purposes, but may also be managed to help
safeguard the environment. Where the levels or types of use are such
that peoples’ safety or the environment is at risk, local guidance or
management measures, such as management rules, regulations or byelaws,
might have been introduced. Follow such guidance to help ensure that
safety or the environment is not put at risk".

It could be that there are local rules or byelaws that apply to Glasgow
Green.
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Quoted message said:

Thanks for all your help guys.

I think that you will have to contact the council to determine the exact
position. In the Scottish Access Code is the following clause.

"Access rights can be exercised in most urban parks, country parks and
other managed open spaces. These parks are normally provided for
recreational and educational purposes, but may also be managed to help
safeguard the environment. Where the levels or types of use are such
that peoples’ safety or the environment is at risk, local guidance or
management measures, such as management rules, regulations or byelaws,
might have been introduced. Follow such guidance to help ensure that
safety or the environment is not put at risk".

It could be that there are local rules or byelaws that apply to Glasgow
Green.

OK, most reasonable people would follow the guidance in the Code. But
does anyone know whether the Act or the Code will carry more weight in a
dispute? Is the Code similar to the Highway Code, i.e., not law in
itself but interpretation of the law which will be used as a benchmark
by the courts?

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Bob Downie said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writes

Quoted message said:

Thanks for all your help guys.

I think that you will have to contact the council to determine the
exact position. In the Scottish Access Code is the following clause.

"Access rights can be exercised in most urban parks, country parks and
other managed open spaces. These parks are normally provided for
recreational and educational purposes, but may also be managed to help
safeguard the environment. Where the levels or types of use are such
that peoples’ safety or the environment is at risk, local guidance
or management measures, such as management rules, regulations or
byelaws, might have been introduced. Follow such guidance to help
ensure that safety or the environment is not put at risk".

It could be that there are local rules or byelaws that apply to
Glasgow Green.

OK, most reasonable people would follow the guidance in the Code. But
does anyone know whether the Act or the Code will carry more weight in
a
dispute?

The Act.

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Is the Code similar to the Highway Code, i.e., not law in
itself but interpretation of the law which will be used as a benchmark
by the courts?

Exactly.

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