Can you guess?

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??

A little late summer chuckle.

We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.

Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

Specialized probably.

JT

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??
A little late summer chuckle.
We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

They are rigid until failure.

He tells me that _his_ component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever
is "compliant".

Whaddya gonna say then?? Geez, the BS is getting thick out there.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??
A little late summer chuckle.
We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

It's an old argument, but to reiterate : you are clearly wrong.

Quoted message said:

They are rigid until failure.

Ditto.

Quoted message said:

He tells me that _his_
component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever is "compliant".

"Compliant" is surely a marketing word, but "rigid" is a mindset also.

If you noted in this group, someone mentioned having looked at the LOOK
factory CD which shows frame and fork testing/abuse equipment in use. If
you have a chance, take a look at it. Perhaps ask LOOK for a copy, as I
am sure they will give it to you. I saw the actual equipment in use,
both frame and fork benders, and can tell you that it is not an optical
illusion, that the bend is not microscopic and quite visible to the
naked eye at a distance of over a couple of metres. I saw a similar
demonstration last year with the Décathlon test rig on its new carbon frame.

I saw these things. I was not drinking or drugged or under hypnosis.
Really. Get a taste for reality by facing it.

Unless you have actually observed this, or can prove that it is all fake
and never happened, your comments are inapt.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
- Someone who knows too much finds it hard not to lie.?
- Wittgenstein, L.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:03:25 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??
A little late summer chuckle.
We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

They are rigid until failure.

He tells me that _his_ component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever
is "compliant".

Whaddya gonna say then?? Geez, the BS is getting thick out there.

Dear Andrew,

Er, while carbon fiber tubes used in bicycle frames ("figures"😉 may
not bend appreciably, the fishing rod industry assigns stiffness
ratings to carbon fiber rods according to how much they bend from a
45-degree angle:

http://www.ctsfishing.com/affinityplusxf.htm

The graph is basically just a picture of how the various carbon fiber
rods bend from 45 degrees under a dangling weight.

It's called the "power rating" and is just as mysterious and silly to
the layman as wheelbuilding arguments here on RBT:

"We have sped up the taper through the tip area to improve line pick
up and deliver power to heavier lines and flies, and we have
introduced a regressive butt area for improved blank loading. This has
resulted in a blank that will carry a range of lines providing plenty
of power yet be loaded right through to the butt if needed."

(Whatever that means.)

The bending is so sensitive that ardent anglers are urged to assemble
their carbon rod sections with the stiff "spine" side up--which can
only be determined by trial and error. See the "Effective Spine"
section of this detailed description of various unfamiliar terms:

http://www.furnacebayrods.com/tech.htm

Whether the bending of the carbon fiber rods makes any difference to a
catfish is a separate matter, but expert fishermen really can tell how
much different rods bend as they often demonstrate at fairs, happily
flicking their lures with unerring accuracy at absurdly small targets
for interested audiences, whose slightly open mouths and mesmerized
stares make them resemble their piscine quarry.

(I was dragged to such an exhibition once at a state fair and escaped
only by declaring that I was utterly wrong and that the casting was
all very fascinating and skillful and why don't we get some ice cream
now, hell, I'll pay for it. I shudder to think what might have been my
fate had I mentioned my preference for worms and grasshoppers as bait
for trout.)

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??

A little late summer chuckle.

We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.

Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

Specialized probably.

JT

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Yeah, sounds very Specialized like with the Az1 probably being that
zertz thingamabobby. Maybe they'll come out with a gel frame one day
and market it as ludicrously compliant.

Chris

A Muzi said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??
A little late summer chuckle.
We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

They are rigid until failure.

He tells me that _his_ component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever
is "compliant".

Whaddya gonna say then?? Geez, the BS is getting thick out there.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Just like every carbon assed end aluminum now ti and steel frames from
makers that roll with every design gadget they see on another bike(can
you name him??)

Quoted message said:

Just like every carbon assed end aluminum now ti and steel frames from
makers that roll with every design gadget they see on another bike(can
you name him??)

My guess is Colnago...

Sandy said:

A Muzi a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Where thos came from??
A little late summer chuckle.
We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,

I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

It's an old argument, but to reiterate : you are clearly wrong.

Quoted message said:

They are rigid until failure.

Ditto.

Quoted message said:

He tells me that _his_
component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever is "compliant".

"Compliant" is surely a marketing word, but "rigid" is a mindset also.

If you noted in this group, someone mentioned having looked at the LOOK
factory CD which shows frame and fork testing/abuse equipment in use. If
you have a chance, take a look at it. Perhaps ask LOOK for a copy, as I
am sure they will give it to you. I saw the actual equipment in use,
both frame and fork benders, and can tell you that it is not an optical
illusion, that the bend is not microscopic and quite visible to the
naked eye at a distance of over a couple of metres. I saw a similar
demonstration last year with the Décathlon test rig on its new carbon frame.

I saw these things. I was not drinking or drugged or under hypnosis.
Really. Get a taste for reality by facing it.

Unless you have actually observed this, or can prove that it is all fake
and never happened, your comments are inapt.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
- Someone who knows too much finds it hard not to lie.?
- Wittgenstein, L.

Does carbon bend and flex with gorilla machines, sure it does, along
with aluminum cranks and other things. Does it mean anything to a 180
pound rider riding the thing-Nope..

'a taste of reality'....was that with some stinky cheese??

Qui si parla Campagnolo a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

A Muzi a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

> Where thos came from??
> A little late summer chuckle.
> We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
> maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
> promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
> performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
> construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
> still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
> Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,
>
I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

It's an old argument, but to reiterate : you are clearly wrong.

Quoted message said:

They are rigid until failure.

Ditto.

Quoted message said:

He tells me that _his_
component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever is "compliant".

"Compliant" is surely a marketing word, but "rigid" is a mindset also.

If you noted in this group, someone mentioned having looked at the LOOK
factory CD which shows frame and fork testing/abuse equipment in use. If
you have a chance, take a look at it. Perhaps ask LOOK for a copy, as I
am sure they will give it to you. I saw the actual equipment in use,
both frame and fork benders, and can tell you that it is not an optical
illusion, that the bend is not microscopic and quite visible to the
naked eye at a distance of over a couple of metres. I saw a similar
demonstration last year with the Décathlon test rig on its new carbon frame.

I saw these things. I was not drinking or drugged or under hypnosis.
Really. Get a taste for reality by facing it.

Unless you have actually observed this, or can prove that it is all fake
and never happened, your comments are inapt.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
- Someone who knows too much finds it hard not to lie.?
- Wittgenstein, L.

Does carbon bend and flex with gorilla machines, sure it does, along
with aluminum cranks and other things. Does it mean anything to a 180
pound rider riding the thing-Nope..

'a taste of reality'....was that with some stinky cheese??

Yes, it could have been stinky cheese. Is there non-stinky cheese that
is edible ?

So, you didn't see the demo CD, I take it.
Cycle stresses on the BB were around 65kg (of cheese ?).
Sounds about right.
On the fork, I think I remember around 100kg. Still good.

Don't let it upset you. You're right, they are mostly toys.
My daughter is even more retro than you, prefering horses.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Sandy said:

A Muzi a �crit :

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Where thos came from??
> A little late summer chuckle.
> We set out to achieve an industry leading level of compliance while
> maintaining light weight and stiffness, and we delivered on that
> promise. By far, it's the most fatigue-reducing and compliant
> performance road bike available. Our new ______________ with FACT Az1
> construction is far more compliant than any other we have tested, yet
> still lighter and stiffer than most competing designs.
> Complient yet stiff, big yet small, black yep white,
I look a guy in the eye and explain that carbon figures do not bend.

It's an old argument, but to reiterate : you are clearly wrong.

Quoted message said:

They are rigid until failure.

Ditto.

Quoted message said:

He tells me that _his_
component/fork/frame/rim/saddle/keychain/whatever is "compliant".

"Compliant" is surely a marketing word, but "rigid" is a mindset also.

If you noted in this group, someone mentioned having looked at the LOOK
factory CD which shows frame and fork testing/abuse equipment in use. If
you have a chance, take a look at it. Perhaps ask LOOK for a copy, as I
am sure they will give it to you. I saw the actual equipment in use,
both frame and fork benders, and can tell you that it is not an optical
illusion, that the bend is not microscopic and quite visible to the
naked eye at a distance of over a couple of metres. I saw a similar
demonstration last year with the D�cathlon test rig on its new carbon frame.

I saw these things. I was not drinking or drugged or under hypnosis.
Really. Get a taste for reality by facing it.

Unless you have actually observed this, or can prove that it is all fake
and never happened, your comments are inapt.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
- Someone who knows too much finds it hard not to lie.?
- Wittgenstein, L.

Does carbon bend and flex with gorilla machines, sure it does, along
with aluminum cranks and other things. Does it mean anything to a 180
pound rider riding the thing-Nope..

'a taste of reality'....was that with some stinky cheese??

come on peter. just because /you/ don't/can't/won't notice anything,
doesn't mean it's not happening. sheesh, for a guy whose life depended
on the ability of engineers to measure and refine hunks of material into
something you could land on a floating acre of steel in the middle of
the ocean, you sure don't have any room in your head for the concept
that someone else may actually know what they're doing.