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  1. Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect in the treatment of
    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part of
    Honshu): 260ppm
    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comp43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

  2. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the treatment


    of

    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part
    of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comPreventCancer
    /p43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Also don't forget apricot kernels

  3. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the treatment


    of

    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part
    of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comPreventCancer
    /p43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    [censored].

  4. Dave Wickware said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the treatment of malignant tumors showed the following
    germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part
    of Honshu): 260ppm
    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comPreventCancer
    /p43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Regul Toxicol Pharmacol 1997 Jun;25(3):211-9

    Hazard assessment of germanium supplements.

    Tao SH, Bolger PM

    Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug
    Administration, Washington, DC 20204, USA.

    Germanium-containing dietary supplements became popular in
    the 1970s in Japan and later in other countries, as elixirs
    for certain diseases
    (e.g., cancer and AIDS). Germanium is not an essential
    element. Its acute toxicity is low. However, at least
    31 reported human cases linked prolonged intake of
    germanium products with renal failure and even death.
    Signs of kidney dysfunction, kidney tubular
    degeneration, and germanium accumulation were observed.
    Other adverse effects were anemia, muscle weakness, and
    peripheral neuropathy. Recovery of renal function is
    slow and incomplete even long after germanium intake
    was stopped. The total dose of ingested germanium (as
    dioxide, carboxyethyl germanium sesquioxide, germanium-lactate-
    citrate, or unspecified forms) varied from 15 to over
    300 g; the exposure duration varied from 2 to 36
    months. In laboratory animals, elevated germanium in
    tissues and impaired kidney and liver function were
    observed in a life-time drinking water (5 ppm
    germanium) study. Other toxicities associated with
    ingested germanium products in human cases were also
    demonstrated in animal studies with germanium dioxide
    and sometimes other germanium compounds. Based on the
    evidence of persistent renal toxicity associated with
    germanium dioxide, the lack of conclusive findings of
    differential nephrotoxicity of organic germanium
    compounds, and the possibility of contamination of the
    organic germanium products with inorganic germanium, it
    is clear that germanium products present a potential
    human health hazard.

    Title

    Nephrotoxicity and neurotoxicity in humans from
    organogermanium compounds and germanium dioxide. Author
    Schauss AG Address Life Sciences Division, American
    Institute for Biosocial Research, Inc., Tacoma, WA
    98401. Source Biol Trace Elem Res, 29(3):267-80 1991
    Jun Abstract There is no known biological requirement
    for germanium (Ge), germanates, or any organogermanium
    compound. Ge deficiency has not been demonstrated in
    any animal. The estimated average dietary intake of Ge
    in humans is 1.5 mg/d. Ge is widely distributed in
    edible foods, all of which, with few exceptions,
    contain less than 5 ppm Ge, since higher levels are
    toxic to most plants. Ingestion of Ge compounds has
    been shown to produce toxic effects in experimental
    animals. In recent years inorganic germanium salts and
    novel organogermanium compounds, such as carboxyethyl
    germanium sesquioxide (Ge-132) and lactate-citrate-
    germanate (Ge lactate citrate) have been sold as
    "nutritional supplements in some countries for their
    purported immunomodulatory effects or as health-
    producing elixirs, resulting in intakes of Ge
    significantly exceeding the estimated average dietary
    intake. Since 1982, there have been 18 reported cases
    of acute renal dysfunction or failure, including two
    deaths, linked to oral intake of Ge elixirs containing
    germanium dioxide (GeO2) or Ge-132. In these cases,
    biopsies show vacuolar degeneration in renal tubular
    epithelial cells, without proteinuria or hematuria, in
    the absence of glomerular changes. Serum creatinine
    levels have been well above 400 mumol/L in such
    patients. In 17 of 18 cases, accumulated elemental Ge
    intakes reportedly ranged between 16 to 328 g over a
    4-36 mo period, or between 100 to 2000 times the
    average estimated dietary intake for human. In
    surviving patients, renal function improved after
    discontinuation of Ge supplementation. However, in no
    case was recovery complete. One organogermanium
    compound, an azaspiran organogermanium compound, 2-aza-8-
    germanspiro[4,5] decane-2-propamine-8,8-diethyl-N,N-
    dimethyl dichloride (spirogermanium), has been found to
    cause both neurotoxicity and pulmonary toxicity in
    phase I and II studies examining its chemotherapeutic
    potential as an antitumor drug in the treatment of
    various malignancies. In cancer patients given the drug
    spirogermanium, 40% experienced marked, yet transient
    neurotoxicity. Two patients suffered from pulmonary
    toxicity. Results of phases I and II human cancer
    trials for spirogermanium have not been favorable, with
    the exception of moderate benefits for three types of
    malignancies. It is recommended that patients exposed
    to long-term (greater than 3 mo) Ge supplementation at
    levels well above the estimated daily intake be
    medically supervised and monitored for potential renal-
    , pulmonary- or neurotoxicity. Further study regarding
    the mechanism of Ge-induced nephrotoxicity in human is
    warranted.

  5. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern
    part of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comp
    43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Also don't forget apricot kernels

    Murderer.

  6. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 30, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial
    effect in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium
    content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern
    part of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda):
    110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comp
    43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Also don't forget apricot kernels

    Murderer.


    Why ?

  7. "Samy [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 30, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> a écrit dans le
    message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial
    > effect in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of
    > malignant tumors showed the following germanium
    > content:
    >
    > 1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    > 2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-
    > 2000ppm
    > 3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    > 4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    > 5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern
    > part of


    Honshu):

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    260ppm
    > 6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    > 7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    > 8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    > 9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    > 10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda):
    > 110ppm
    > 11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    > 12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm
    >
    >
    > chelationtherapyonline.comPreventCancer
    > /p43.htm
    >
    > stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Also don't forget apricot kernels

    Murderer.


    Why ?

    Apricot kernels are the source of Laetrile, which was
    sold to my aunt in lieu of chemotherapy and resulted in
    her death.

    AFAIAC, it was a depraved indiferent homicide by the shill.

  8. Germanium is trace element number 32 in the periodic
    table. It is twice as heavy as oxygen (16) and seems in
    some way related to it, as it supports cellular and
    tissue oxygenation. Research in Japan also verified a
    number of effects of Ge-132 on the immune systems of
    animals and humans.

    Elemental (inorganic) germanium, or germanium dioxide can
    accumulate in the body and cause adverse effects such as
    renal failure and even death. When elemental (inorganic)
    germanium is drawn from the soil by plant life, such as
    ginseng, it is transformed by the plant into organic
    germanium, a complex molecule containing a core of pure
    elemental germanium atomically bound to a large number of
    oxygen atoms. To distinguish organic germanium from the
    trace mineral, it is somtimes referred to as Organic
    Germanium and expresssed as Ge-Oxy 132.

    Tests by the Japanese government have shown the germanium
    sesquioxide compound to be non-toxic even at extremely
    high doses.

    The United States Pharmacopeia ( U.S.P. ) states that if a
    product looks similar under a microscope, or in analysis,
    that it is the same regardless of what it is made out of.
    For instance salicylic acid u.s.p. is considered identical
    whether it comes from wintergreen leaves or by boiling
    coal in carbolic and sulfuric acids. It also considers
    glycerin u.s.p. identical whether it is made from fresh
    vegetables, toxic minerals or boiled down animal
    carcasses, cartilage and feet.

    Commercial grade vitamin and mineral concentrates are
    synthesized by chemical industries from the same starting
    material that drugs are made from, and includes such things
    as petroleum products, animal by-products, shells, metal and
    various other non-organic sources). That is, the iron used
    in many supplements is derived from elemental (non organic)
    iron and processed as a mineral rich nutrient base, sold to
    supplement manufacturers for the manufacture of vitamin
    mineral supplements.

    This is the reason that we hear of metal toxicity poisoning,
    as in the germanium references you posted, because elemental
    minerals are not digestable (they tell us that they make
    these digestable by adding pig enzymes to the mix) and in
    fact are toxic to our bodies. The same applies to all
    minerals, including iron. If we consider an ORGANIC source
    of iron, we all recognize spinach as a great natural source
    of iron. Why is the iron in spinach NOT toxic? Well, the
    great Designer gave plants the ability to draw the minerals,
    such as iron, from the soil as an elemental (non-organic)
    mineral, grow on it and transform it into an organic
    (chelated) form of the mineral that can be digested by us
    and nourish us.

    The very same is true of germanium. The elemental (non-
    organic) form of germanium is toxic. So, if you derive your
    germanium from manufactured supplements you may suffer a
    problem. If you derive your germanium from a food source
    source, you will benefit. The list of natural sources I
    posted is of the highest content of Organic Germanium. The
    best source is Korean INSAM, Japanese ginseng has 250 - 350
    ppm. That is not very much. American ginseng and apriot pits
    have less than the lowest, which is aloe vera at 80 ppm.

    So, it matters where you get your nutrition.

    "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Wickware said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the


    treatment of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern
    part of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comp
    43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Regul Toxicol Pharmacol 1997 Jun;25(3):211-9

    Hazard assessment of germanium supplements.

    Tao SH, Bolger PM

    Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and
    Drug Administration, Washington, DC 20204, USA.

    Germanium-containing dietary supplements became popular in
    the 1970s in Japan and later in other countries, as
    elixirs for certain diseases
    (e.g., cancer and AIDS). Germanium is not an essential
    element. Its acute toxicity is low. However, at least
    31 reported human cases linked prolonged intake of
    germanium products with renal failure and even death.
    Signs of kidney dysfunction, kidney tubular
    degeneration, and germanium accumulation were
    observed. Other adverse effects were anemia, muscle
    weakness, and peripheral neuropathy. Recovery of
    renal function is slow and incomplete even long after
    germanium intake was stopped. The total dose of
    ingested germanium (as dioxide, carboxyethyl
    germanium sesquioxide, germanium-lactate-citrate, or
    unspecified forms) varied from 15 to over 300 g; the
    exposure duration varied from 2 to 36 months. In
    laboratory animals, elevated germanium in tissues and
    impaired kidney and liver function were observed in a
    life-time drinking water (5 ppm germanium) study.
    Other toxicities associated with ingested germanium
    products in human cases were also demonstrated in
    animal studies with germanium dioxide and sometimes
    other germanium compounds. Based on the evidence of
    persistent renal toxicity associated with germanium
    dioxide, the lack of conclusive findings of
    differential nephrotoxicity of organic germanium
    compounds, and the possibility of contamination of
    the organic germanium products with inorganic
    germanium, it is clear that germanium products
    present a potential human health hazard.

    Title

    Nephrotoxicity and neurotoxicity in humans from
    organogermanium compounds and germanium dioxide.
    Author Schauss AG Address Life Sciences Division,
    American Institute for Biosocial Research, Inc.,
    Tacoma, WA 98401. Source Biol Trace Elem Res, 29(3):267-
    80 1991 Jun Abstract There is no known biological
    requirement for germanium (Ge), germanates, or any
    organogermanium compound. Ge deficiency has not been
    demonstrated in any animal. The estimated average
    dietary intake of Ge in humans is 1.5 mg/d. Ge is
    widely distributed in edible foods, all of which,
    with few exceptions, contain less than 5 ppm Ge,
    since higher levels are toxic to most plants.
    Ingestion of Ge compounds has been shown to produce
    toxic effects in experimental animals. In recent
    years inorganic germanium salts and novel
    organogermanium compounds, such as carboxyethyl
    germanium sesquioxide (Ge-132) and lactate-citrate-
    germanate (Ge lactate citrate) have been sold as
    "nutritional supplements in some countries for their
    purported immunomodulatory effects or as health-
    producing elixirs, resulting in intakes of Ge
    significantly exceeding the estimated average dietary
    intake. Since 1982, there have been 18 reported cases
    of acute renal dysfunction or failure, including two
    deaths, linked to oral intake of Ge elixirs
    containing germanium dioxide (GeO2) or Ge-132. In
    these cases, biopsies show vacuolar degeneration in
    renal tubular epithelial cells, without proteinuria
    or hematuria, in the absence of glomerular changes.
    Serum creatinine levels have been well above 400
    mumol/L in such patients. In 17 of 18 cases,
    accumulated elemental Ge intakes reportedly ranged
    between 16 to 328 g over a 4-36 mo period, or between
    100 to 2000 times the average estimated dietary
    intake for human. In surviving patients, renal
    function improved after discontinuation of Ge
    supplementation. However, in no case was recovery
    complete. One organogermanium compound, an azaspiran
    organogermanium compound, 2-aza-8-germanspiro[4,5]
    decane-2-propamine-8,8-diethyl-N,N-dimethyl
    dichloride (spirogermanium), has been found to cause
    both neurotoxicity and pulmonary toxicity in phase I
    and II studies examining its chemotherapeutic
    potential as an antitumor drug in the treatment of
    various malignancies. In cancer patients given the
    drug spirogermanium, 40% experienced marked, yet
    transient neurotoxicity. Two patients suffered from
    pulmonary toxicity. Results of phases I and II human
    cancer trials for spirogermanium have not been
    favorable, with the exception of moderate benefits
    for three types of malignancies. It is recommended
    that patients exposed to long-term (greater than 3
    mo) Ge supplementation at levels well above the
    estimated daily intake be medically supervised and
    monitored for potential renal-, pulmonary- or
    neurotoxicity. Further study regarding the mechanism
    of Ge-induced nephrotoxicity in human is warranted.

  9. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 30, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Apricot kernels are the source of Laetrile, which was
    sold to my aunt in lieu of chemotherapy and resulted in
    her death.

    AFAIAC, it was a depraved indiferent homicide by the
    shill.


    =========================
    I just can't think of his name, but there was a famous actor
    who also took these apricot kernels and died of his cancer.
    I remember the case. I think this was in the 1980s. His Dr
    claimed the type this actor had was easily treated with a
    very high cure rate. These quacks are truly killers of the
    gullible. How do they sleep at night? I guess they simply
    justify the deaths as "God's will."
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  10. Kim said:


    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 30, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Apricot kernels are the source of Laetrile, which was
    sold to my aunt in lieu of chemotherapy and resulted in
    her death.

    AFAIAC, it was a depraved indiferent homicide by
    the shill.


    =========================
    I just can't think of his name, but there was a famous
    actor who also took these apricot kernels and died of
    his cancer.

    Yep. Steve McQueen died of throat cancer in 1980 and tried
    to cure it with apricot pits.

    Quoted message said:

    These quacks are truly killers of the gullible. How do
    they sleep at night? I guess they simply justify the
    deaths as "God's will."

    Sociopaths have little difficulty sleeping at night.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  11. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Germanium is trace element number 32 in the periodic
    table. ...


    snip...

    theodoregray.comind
    ex.s7.html

    ,,,snip...

    Quoted message said:

    This is the reason that we hear of metal toxicity
    poisoning, as in the germanium references you posted,
    because elemental minerals are not digestable (they tell
    us that they make these digestable by adding pig enzymes
    to the mix) and in fact are toxic to our bodies. ...


    snip...

    r..i..g..h..t.....

    theodoregray.comtheodoregray.com
    index.html

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the treatment of malignant tumors showed the following
    germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part
    of Honshu): 260ppm
    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comPreventCancer
    /p43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Looks like Glowlife Dave is back to spam the newsgroup with
    his ads for various products.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
    |you inconvenience me with questions?"

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 30, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial effect
    in the treatment


    of

    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern
    part of Honshu):


    260ppm

    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comp
    43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    [censored].

    That would be GlowLife Dave.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
    |you inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. Dave Wickware said:

    Germanium is trace element number 32 in the periodic
    table. It is twice as heavy as oxygen (16) and seems in
    some way related to it,


    Same Group, see peroidic table.

    as it supports

    Quoted message said:

    cellular and tissue oxygenation. Research in Japan also
    verified a number of effects of Ge-132 on the immune
    systems of animals and humans.

    Elemental (inorganic) germanium, or germanium dioxide can
    accumulate in the body and cause adverse effects such as
    renal failure and even death. When elemental (inorganic)
    germanium is drawn from the soil by plant life, such as
    ginseng, it is transformed by the plant into organic
    germanium, a complex molecule containing a core of pure
    elemental germanium atomically bound to a large number of
    oxygen atoms. To distinguish organic germanium from the
    trace mineral, it is somtimes referred to as Organic
    Germanium and expresssed as Ge-Oxy 132.

    Tests by the Japanese government have shown the germanium
    sesquioxide compound to be non-toxic even at extremely
    high doses.

    The United States Pharmacopeia ( U.S.P. ) states that if a
    product looks similar under a microscope, or in analysis,
    that it is the same regardless of what it is made out of.
    For instance salicylic acid u.s.p. is considered identical
    whether it comes from wintergreen leaves or by boiling
    coal in carbolic and sulfuric acids. It also considers
    glycerin u.s.p. identical whether it is made from fresh
    vegetables, toxic minerals or boiled down animal
    carcasses, cartilage and feet.

    Dave, Learn some chemistry, Please.

    Quoted message said:


    Commercial grade vitamin and mineral concentrates are
    synthesized by chemical industries from the same starting
    material that drugs are made from, and includes such
    things as petroleum products, animal by-products, shells,
    metal and various other non-organic sources). That is, the
    iron used in many supplements is derived from elemental
    (non organic) iron and processed as a mineral rich
    nutrient base, sold to supplement manufacturers for the
    manufacture of vitamin mineral supplements.

    This is the reason that we hear of metal toxicity
    poisoning, as in the germanium references you posted,
    because elemental minerals are not digestable (they tell
    us that they make these digestable by adding pig enzymes
    to the mix) and in fact are toxic to our bodies. The same
    applies to all minerals, including iron.

    Did you know that using cast iron utensils would increase
    the iron in your diet?

    If we consider an ORGANIC source of iron,

    Quoted message said:

    we all recognize spinach as a great natural source of
    iron. Why is the iron in spinach NOT toxic? Well, the
    great Designer gave plants the ability to draw the
    minerals, such as iron, from the soil as an elemental (non-
    organic) mineral, grow on it and transform it into an
    organic (chelated) form of the mineral that can be
    digested by us and nourish us.

    Quoted message said:


    The very same is true of germanium. The elemental (non-
    organic) form of germanium is toxic. So, if you derive
    your germanium from manufactured supplements you may
    suffer a problem. If you derive your germanium from a food
    source source, you will benefit. The list of natural
    sources I posted is of the highest content of Organic
    Germanium. The best source is Korean INSAM, Japanese
    ginseng has 250 - 350 ppm. That is not very much. American
    ginseng and apriot pits have less than the lowest, which
    is aloe vera at 80 ppm.

    So, it matters where you get your nutritio

    It also matters where you get your information.

    As my mother said. "It's not what we don't know that gets us
    in trouble. It's what we know that just ain't so."

    J.

    Quoted message said:

    "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Dave Wickware said:

    Plants with the reputation of having a beneficial
    effect in the

    treatment of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    malignant tumors showed the following germanium content:

    1) Korean INSAM up to 4000ppm
    2) Shelf fungus (trametes cinnabarina): 800-2000ppm
    3) Garlic (Allium sativum): 750ppm
    4) Ginseng (Panax schinseng): Japanese 250-350ppm
    5) Bandai moss (Bandai-san volcano on the northern part
    of Honshu):

    260ppm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    6) Sushi (angelica pubescens): 260ppm
    7) Japanese Waternut (Trapa japonica): 240ppm
    8) Comfrey (Symphytum officinale): 150ppm
    9) Boxthorn seed (Lycium chinense): 125ppm
    10) Wisteria knob or gall (Wisteria floribunda): 110ppm
    11) Gromwell root (Lithospermum officinale): 90ppm
    12) Aloe (Aloe vera): 80ppm

    chelationtherapyonline.comchelationtherapyonline.com
    p43.htm

    stopcancer.comgermaniumstor.htm

    Regul Toxicol Pharmacol 1997 Jun;25(3):211-9

    Hazard assessment of germanium supplements.

    Tao SH, Bolger PM

    Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and
    Drug Administration, Washington, DC 20204, USA.

    Germanium-containing dietary supplements became popular in
    the 1970s in Japan and later in other countries, as
    elixirs for certain diseases
    (e.g., cancer and AIDS). Germanium is not an essential
    element. Its acute toxicity is low. However, at least
    31 reported human cases linked prolonged intake of
    germanium products with renal failure and even death.
    Signs of kidney dysfunction, kidney tubular
    degeneration, and germanium accumulation were
    observed. Other adverse effects were anemia, muscle
    weakness, and peripheral neuropathy. Recovery of
    renal function is slow and incomplete even long after
    germanium intake was stopped. The total dose of
    ingested germanium (as dioxide, carboxyethyl
    germanium sesquioxide, germanium-lactate-citrate, or
    unspecified forms) varied from 15 to over 300 g; the
    exposure duration varied from 2 to 36 months. In
    laboratory animals, elevated germanium in tissues and
    impaired kidney and liver function were observed in a
    life-time drinking water (5 ppm germanium) study.
    Other toxicities associated with ingested germanium
    products in human cases were also demonstrated in
    animal studies with germanium dioxide and sometimes
    other germanium compounds. Based on the evidence of
    persistent renal toxicity associated with germanium
    dioxide, the lack of conclusive findings of
    differential nephrotoxicity of organic germanium
    compounds, and the possibility of contamination of
    the organic germanium products with inorganic
    germanium, it is clear that germanium products
    present a potential human health hazard.

    Title

    Nephrotoxicity and neurotoxicity in humans from
    organogermanium compounds and germanium dioxide.
    Author Schauss AG Address Life Sciences Division,
    American Institute for Biosocial Research, Inc.,
    Tacoma, WA 98401. Source Biol Trace Elem Res, 29(3):267-
    80 1991 Jun Abstract There is no known biological
    requirement for germanium (Ge), germanates, or any
    organogermanium compound. Ge deficiency has not been
    demonstrated in any animal. The estimated average
    dietary intake of Ge in humans is 1.5 mg/d. Ge is
    widely distributed in edible foods, all of which,
    with few exceptions, contain less than 5 ppm Ge,
    since higher levels are toxic to most plants.
    Ingestion of Ge compounds has been shown to produce
    toxic effects in experimental animals. In recent
    years inorganic germanium salts and novel
    organogermanium compounds, such as carboxyethyl
    germanium sesquioxide (Ge-132) and lactate-citrate-
    germanate (Ge lactate citrate) have been sold as
    "nutritional supplements in some countries for their
    purported immunomodulatory effects or as health-
    producing elixirs, resulting in intakes of Ge
    significantly exceeding the estimated average dietary
    intake. Since 1982, there have been 18 reported cases
    of acute renal dysfunction or failure, including two
    deaths, linked to oral intake of Ge elixirs
    containing germanium dioxide (GeO2) or Ge-132. In
    these cases, biopsies show vacuolar degeneration in
    renal tubular epithelial cells, without proteinuria
    or hematuria, in the absence of glomerular changes.
    Serum creatinine levels have been well above 400
    mumol/L in such patients. In 17 of 18 cases,
    accumulated elemental Ge intakes reportedly ranged
    between 16 to 328 g over a 4-36 mo period, or between
    100 to 2000 times the average estimated dietary
    intake for human. In surviving patients, renal
    function improved after discontinuation of Ge
    supplementation. However, in no case was recovery
    complete. One organogermanium compound, an azaspiran
    organogermanium compound, 2-aza-8-germanspiro[4,5]
    decane-2-propamine-8,8-diethyl-N,N-dimethyl
    dichloride (spirogermanium), has been found to cause
    both neurotoxicity and pulmonary toxicity in phase I
    and II studies examining its chemotherapeutic
    potential as an antitumor drug in the treatment of
    various malignancies. In cancer patients given the
    drug spirogermanium, 40% experienced marked, yet
    transient neurotoxicity. Two patients suffered from
    pulmonary toxicity. Results of phases I and II human
    cancer trials for spirogermanium have not been
    favorable, with the exception of moderate benefits
    for three types of malignancies. It is recommended
    that patients exposed to long-term (greater than 3
    mo) Ge supplementation at levels well above the
    estimated daily intake be medically supervised and
    monitored for potential renal-, pulmonary- or
    neurotoxicity. Further study regarding the mechanism
    of Ge-induced nephrotoxicity in human is warranted.


  15. Then why in his own words was he 'going to blow the lif on
    this cancer racket'? Anth

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-March 31, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Steve McQueen died of a heart attack, from an operation
    to remove a


    tumour,

    Quoted message said:

    not cancer.

    That is what the atlies would like you to believe.

    Quoted message said:

    Anth

    "Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4qadndcfZafE3PfdRVn-
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:13377-406A34E2-252@storefull-
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    > How about Steve McQueen?
    ========================
    Yes. His name was Steve McQueen. Such a waste as he
    wasn't that old


    and

    Quoted message said:
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    would have enjoyed so many more years.... How sad. He
    was taken in


    by

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    the

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