Canned Chili Flavor ???

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic, chili
powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good basic
chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost all
brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans, of course,
just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

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On Tue 27 Sep 2005 08:33:57p, [email hidden] wrote in
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Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

Primarily cumin. Which smells like underarm B.O. to me. :oP Then
chili powder, garlic etc.

LOL! I alrady use cumin. Maybe they use a lot more than I do.

Thanks!

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Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic, chili
powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good basic
chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost all
brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans, of course,
just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it a
subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of the
canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat flour and
cheap paprika. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic, chili
powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good
basic chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans,
of course, just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it a
subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of the
canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat flour and
cheap paprika. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing meat
don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans" like
Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes
me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf.
It's a good basic chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the
cans, of course, just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it
a subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of
the canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat
flour and cheap paprika. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing meat
don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans"
like Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

I know what you mean, Wayne, and I wish I knew what it was, too. I'm
starting to think it's like a reverse sort of (non-sexual) salt-peter...
something that makes us *want* to buy the chili or chili beans. I get
cravings for this stuff! I had to add "chili beans" to my sloppy joe meat
(before I turned it into chili mac) last week. The pull was irresistable.
And man did it taste good!

Jill

jmcquown said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes
>me.
>
>When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
>chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf.
>It's a good basic chili and we like it.
>
>However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
>all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the
>cans, of course, just say "and spices".
>
>Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?
>
>TIA
>

Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it
a subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of
the canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat
flour and cheap paprika. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing meat
don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans"
like Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

I know what you mean, Wayne, and I wish I knew what it was, too. I'm
starting to think it's like a reverse sort of (non-sexual) salt-peter...
something that makes us *want* to buy the chili or chili beans. I get
cravings for this stuff! I had to add "chili beans" to my sloppy joe meat
(before I turned it into chili mac) last week. The pull was irresistable.
And man did it taste good!

Jill

I was kind of serious, you just couldn't tell from my writing style. I
think it's hydrolyzed protein. You can get the same effect by adding
MSG or Thai fish sauce. Add just a little wheat or oat flour for
thickening, and some California paprika.

Bob

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:37:38p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes
> me.
>
> When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
> chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf.
> It's a good basic chili and we like it.
>
> However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
> all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the
> cans, of course, just say "and spices".
>
> Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?
>
> TIA
>

Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it
a subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of
the canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat
flour and cheap paprika. HTH :-)

Best regards,
Bob

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing meat
don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans"
like Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

I know what you mean, Wayne, and I wish I knew what it was, too. I'm
starting to think it's like a reverse sort of (non-sexual) salt-peter...
something that makes us *want* to buy the chili or chili beans. I get
cravings for this stuff! I had to add "chili beans" to my sloppy joe
meat (before I turned it into chili mac) last week. The pull was
irresistable. And man did it taste good!

Jill

I would add "chili beans" to my homemade chili, but I prefer kidney beans
over pinto beans. I really like the sauce part.

When I make chili I have to make two pots. David wants his very plain, but
he likes the chili beans in it. I put lots of "stuff" in my chili, but not
the chili beans.

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On Tue 27 Sep 2005 10:51:11p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes

me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>
>>When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,

chili

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good
>>basic chili and we like it.
>>
>>However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
>>all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the
>>cans, of course, just say "and spices".
>>
>>Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>
>
>Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives it
>a subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar of
>the canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little wheat
>flour and cheap paprika. HTH :-)
>
>Best regards,
>Bob
>

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing meat
don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans"

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

I know what you mean, Wayne, and I wish I knew what it was, too. I'm
starting to think it's like a reverse sort of (non-sexual) salt-peter...
something that makes us *want* to buy the chili or chili beans. I get
cravings for this stuff! I had to add "chili beans" to my sloppy joe

meat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(before I turned it into chili mac) last week. The pull was

irresistable.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And man did it taste good!

Jill

I was kind of serious, you just couldn't tell from my writing style. I
think it's hydrolyzed protein. You can get the same effect by adding
MSG or Thai fish sauce. Add just a little wheat or oat flour for
thickening, and some California paprika.

Bob

Okay, then it's worth a try. I'll make a note of it, Bob. Thanks.

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Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

It does me too, and I'm GLAD. That stuff is freaking nasty, Wayne,
LOL!

Undoubtedly you are missing LARD.

-L.

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:37:38p, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 09:03:28p, zxcvbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans"
>> eludes me.
>>
>> When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
>> chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf.
>> It's a good basic chili and we like it.
>>
>> However, the canned products have a very different flavor and
>> almost all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients
>> on the
>> cans, of course, just say "and spices".
>>
>> Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
>
> Pressure-can some beef stew meat. The long processing time gives
> it
> a subtle fishy taste that is what you are looking for. Add a jar
> of the canned meat to your chili, and thicken it with a little
> wheat flour and cheap paprika. HTH :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
>

LOL! I know what you mean, Bob. Some canned products containing
meat don't smell much different from dog or cat food.

However, this "spice" flavor also dominates the canned "chili beans"
like Bush's, and contain no meat or meat products.

I know what you mean, Wayne, and I wish I knew what it was, too. I'm
starting to think it's like a reverse sort of (non-sexual)
salt-peter... something that makes us *want* to buy the chili or
chili beans. I get cravings for this stuff! I had to add "chili
beans" to my sloppy joe meat (before I turned it into chili mac)
last week. The pull was irresistable. And man did it taste good!

Jill

I would add "chili beans" to my homemade chili, but I prefer kidney
beans over pinto beans. I really like the sauce part.

But the ones I buy are kidney beans, not pinto beans! And don't let anyone
get into a political argument, they are Bush's chili beans! Sorry, they
were available waaaay before the first man named Bush was president. Back
in high school my friend Libby and I used to make up rhymes about the canned
vegetables and beans in my mothers glass front pantry (yes, we were that
bored!) in the 1970's and we made up, "Bush's Best Beans Went by Boat
Bypassing Boston". I think we didn't like Boston baked beans. Hmmm.
Teenage commentary on pantry contents, circa 1974. LOL

Quoted message said:

When I make chili I have to make two pots. David wants his very
plain, but he likes the chili beans in it. I put lots of "stuff" in
my chili, but not the chili beans.

They aren't very spicy. They just add a little "something". Took me years
to discover them, too.

Jill

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes
me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's
a good basic chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans,
of course, just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

What about that "adobo sauce" they use in cans of chipotle peppers and
elsewhere??

Andy

On Tue 27 Sep 2005 11:33:09p, -L. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

It does me too, and I'm GLAD. That stuff is freaking nasty, Wayne,
LOL!

Undoubtedly you are missing LARD.

-L.

I don't think it's lard. Seems like it has to be in the spices.

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On Wed 28 Sep 2005 12:55:36a, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would add "chili beans" to my homemade chili, but I prefer kidney
beans over pinto beans. I really like the sauce part.

But the ones I buy are kidney beans, not pinto beans! And don't let
anyone get into a political argument, they are Bush's chili beans!
Sorry, they were available waaaay before the first man named Bush was
president. Back in high school my friend Libby and I used to make up
rhymes about the canned vegetables and beans in my mothers glass front
pantry (yes, we were that bored!) in the 1970's and we made up, "Bush's
Best Beans Went by Boat Bypassing Boston". I think we didn't like
Boston baked beans. Hmmm. Teenage commentary on pantry contents, circa
1974. LOL

Wow, you must have been bored! :-) I dunno, they sure seem like pinto
beans to me, an softer than most kidney beans. When we lived in OH I used
to buy another brand of chili bean for David's chili that were HOT. They
were definitely pintos. Can't get them here.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I make chili I have to make two pots. David wants his very
plain, but he likes the chili beans in it. I put lots of "stuff" in
my chili, but not the chili beans.

They aren't very spicy. They just add a little "something". Took me
years to discover them, too.

No, not very spicy, but it's that *flavor*.

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On Wed 28 Sep 2005 02:23:06a, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes
me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic,
chili powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's
a good basic chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost
all brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans,
of course, just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

What about that "adobo sauce" they use in cans of chipotle peppers and
elsewhere??

Andy

Now, there's a thought! Also, I have adobo seasoning from Penzey's but
never tried it in chli. I'll have to give that a shot.

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Quoted message said:

What about that "adobo sauce" they use in cans of chipotle peppers

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

elsewhere??

Andy

Now, there's a thought! Also, I have adobo seasoning from Penzey's

but

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never tried it in chli. I'll have to give that a shot.

Wayne,

Better single out a small bowl for that experiment! Don't want you to
ruin a whole BATCH of chili!

Andy

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Quoted message said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic, chili
powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good

basic

Quoted message said:

chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost all
brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans, of

course,

Quoted message said:

just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

Far as I've ever been able to tell, or seen specified, mainly cumin and
oregano as you said, far as herbs and spices go...

Shaun aRe

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On Tue 27 Sep 2005 08:33:57p, [email hidden] wrote in
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Quoted message said:

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Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

Primarily cumin. Which smells like underarm B.O. to me. :oP Then
chili powder, garlic etc.

LOL! I alrady use cumin. Maybe they use a lot more than I do.

Thanks!

It does taste heavy-ish on the cumin to me, ratio-wise. I always use quite a
bit myself cos I love it ',;~}~

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

It does me too, and I'm GLAD. That stuff is freaking nasty, Wayne,
LOL!

Undoubtedly you are missing LARD.

Not from wut I hered he ain't missin' no lard ',;~}~

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

The flavor found in canned chili and in canned "chili beans" eludes me.

When I make my own chili recipe it's flavored with onion, garlic, chili
powder, cumin, coriander, Mexican oregano and a bay leaf. It's a good basic
chili and we like it.

However, the canned products have a very different flavor and almost all
brands taste quite similar. The list of ingredients on the cans, of course,
just say "and spices".

Anyone have an idea what makes up this flavor?

TIA

Poster Bob may be right about finding a flavor ingredient(s) that match
the "canned" taste. I dunno. Maybe it's the processing that creates an
unpredictable side-taste. What about the taste of canned asparagus? I
like that taste, but can't eat them anymore due to the mush factor.