Carb Loading vs. Fat Loading?

Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and that it's a potentially
beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such as a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins
people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

Unless your bodyfat levels are dangerously low, why would you need to purposely load up on fats for
an endurance event? Also, the article mentions the importance of protein and is actually advocating
a moderate fat diet (42% of total calories). The remaining 58% of calories would come from carbs
and protein.

Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and that it's a potentially
beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such as a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins
people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

Tell ya what, YOU try it, and write me if you live.

Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and that it's a potentially
beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such as a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins
people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

From Article

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Where is her body going to find the protein to fuel her for those 45 minutes on the stair-climbing
machine?

Wow very interesting. When did protein become the main source for the body to create energy?

Also after actually looking at the abstract of teh first study used as a "basis" of
teh article.

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The comparison was between a group of cyclist that ate a high fat or high carb diet for 6-7 days,
rested on the 8th day but both groups had a high carb diet on the 8th day. On teh 9th day they ate a
pre excercise meal, not mentioned of what I'm assuming high carb, and then rode for 4 hours.

This actually make a little more sense as carbs are usually replaced within 24-48 hrs. A carb
depleted athlete on high fat woudl have significant amount of fatty truglycerides(SP) avaialable for
endurance and once teh carbss were replaced would be good to go. The low fat 17%< woudl have fewer
tryglicerides floating around adn less "endurance" based fuel. Notice that the TT performance was
the same for both groups. Imagine what it woudl have been without the Carb loading.

When people start twisting and or blatently miss quoting studies to pass there wares you
know that somethings wrong with the product.

BTW I didn't bother looking up the other two studies referenced.

~Matt

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Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it's a potentially beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such

as

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Quoted message said:

a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

Unless your bodyfat levels are dangerously low, why would you need to purposely load up on fats
for an endurance event? Also, the article mentions the importance of protein and is actually
advocating a moderate fat diet (42% of total calories). The remaining 58% of calories would come
from carbs and protein.

You call 42% fat, "moderate"? That is about what Americans are getting already.

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Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it's a potentially beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

From Article

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where is her body going to find the protein to fuel her for those 45

minutes on the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stair-climbing machine?

Wow very interesting. When did protein become the main source for the body to create energy?

Also after actually looking at the abstract of teh first study used as a "basis" of teh article.

jap.physiology.org115Open ↗

The comparison was between a group of cyclist that ate a high fat or high carb diet for 6-7 days,
rested on the 8th day but both groups had a high carb diet on the 8th day. On teh 9th day they ate
a pre excercise meal, not mentioned of what I'm assuming high carb, and then rode for 4 hours.

This actually make a little more sense as carbs are usually replaced within 24-48 hrs. A carb
depleted athlete on high fat woudl have significant amount of fatty truglycerides(SP) avaialable
for endurance and once teh carbss were replaced would be good to go. The low fat 17%< woudl have
fewer tryglicerides floating around adn less "endurance" based fuel. Notice that the TT
performance was the same for both groups. Imagine what it woudl have been without the Carb
loading.

When people start twisting and or blatently miss quoting studies to pass there wares you know that
somethings wrong with the product.

BTW I didn't bother looking up the other two studies referenced.

~Matt

It should be noted that a recent paper by Bussau showed that one day of very high CHO could do a
great job of glycogen loading. In Bussau the subjects consumed 10g/kg the day before and 24 hours
later had as much glycogen in the muscle as doing that protocol for several days.

Consuming the high CHO diet over all those days would probably not have had a significant impact on
glycogen stores. And over such a short period of time, there would be little detraining so the
cumulative effect of glycogen depletion on training impulse would be minimal.

Sam said:

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Karl Hungus said:

I hear a lot of folks here refer to carb loading from time to time, and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it's a potentially beneficial step in preparing for a longer event, such

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a marathon. It seems, however, the Atkins people think that fat loading might be better:

atkins.com28 742445.htmlOpen ↗

Unless your bodyfat levels are dangerously low, why would you need to purposely load up on fats
for an endurance event? Also, the article mentions the importance of protein and is actually
advocating a moderate fat diet (42% of total calories). The remaining 58% of calories would come
from carbs and protein.

You call 42% fat, "moderate"? That is about what Americans are getting already.

Yes. A diet with 42% of its total calories from fat would be only about 24% fat by weight (of those
components that have calories). You could very easily get this by throwing a little parmesian cheese
or avacado onto a salad. - no need to smother it with bacon bits. "High" fat would be a salad
smothered in bacon bits.

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It seems, however, the Atkins people think that fat loading might be better:

from the who gives a **it world, I happen to fat load the day before my races be that dinner and/or
breakfast but I assure you it hasn't anything to do with the moronic Atkins diet. I probably eat
about 25% of my calories from fat.

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Doug Freese said:

I probably eat about

Ever see "Sanford and Son" Doug? Practice doing an imitation of Fred having "the big one", grabbing
your chest and falling over. That is your future.

noPok said:

Ever see "Sanford and Son" Doug? Practice doing an imitation of Fred having "the big one", grabbing
your chest and falling over. That is your future.

On 25% *calories* (ie less than <<10% by weight) from fat? If you're right, I'm gonna go back to
school and set up as a cardiologist in the states. After 5 year's practicing, I'll be able to buy
Florida, let alone go live there...

steve common said:

noPok said:

Ever see "Sanford and Son" Doug? Practice doing an imitation of Fred having "the big one",
grabbing your chest and falling over. That is your future.

On 25% *calories* (ie less than <<10% by weight) from fat? If you're right, I'm gonna go back to
school and set up as a cardiologist in the states. After 5 year's practicing, I'll be able to buy
Florida, let alone go live there...

Of course I'm right, you fat porker.