carbs and exercise

Are the food manufacturers hiring these people to promote carbohydrate
consumption?

cole mecray wrote:
| Hey Guys,
|
| I'm new to the group but thought my experience would be useful to some
| of you. I was on Atkins for about 5 years. While I was able to lose
| some weight, I was never able to achieve the body I wanted. I finally
| worked with a very good weight loss coach who had me integrate healthy
| carbs into my diet. The combination of a diet high in protein and
| healthy carbs along with plenty of weight training and running enabled
| me to finally lose the unwanted lbs. An initial low carb 2 weeks a la
| the South Beach Diet can be effective, but after that-
|
| My advice to anyone who is sluggish while on low carb is to trying the
| following:
|
| 1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit.
| 2) Eat carbs an hour before weight training - you can't train hard if
| you have low blood sugar.
| 3) Eat some carbs after exercise to restock glycogen stores so that
| you have fuel for your next workout.
| 4) Avoid eating carbs late in the day.
| 5) Avoid foods with sugar, enriched flour and high fructose corn
| syrup.

cole mecray said:

1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit.

That's the worst time; blood glucose and insulin goes higher after
breakfast than any other time of the day. Unless you specifically want
to turn those carbs directly into fat, you're better off with a protein
breakfast.

For those who wish or need to add carbs, low-sugar fruits are a much
better choice than grains, though I'd be disinclined to recommend them
at breakfast.

If one wishes to eat grains, oatmeal is not the best choice. One is
much better off eating whole grains, so oat groats would be preferred to
oatmeal. But frankly, barley is a much better choice if one wants a
grain - barley has more antioxidants than blueberries.

Quoted message said:

4) Avoid eating carbs late in the day.

Actually, you have this backwards. Later in the day is when the body is
at moving the sugar into muscle cells rather than into the liver to be
converted to triglycerides.

If your purpose is replenishing glycogen in muscles, it should be later
in the day; if your purpose is adding triglycerides to adipose tissue,
you're better off eating them at breakfast.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

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On Oct 29, 12:43 am, Kaz Kylheku <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I have no idea what this guy said. I think the carbs prevent him from
composing a coherent sentence.

If you hadn't mentionned him, I wouldn't have seen the message at all.
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Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition
if you ask me. I would not like to look like him. Shall I stay on low
carb? ;-)

Huey

Jackie Patti a écrit :

Quoted message said:

cole mecray said:

1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit.

That's the worst time; blood glucose and insulin goes higher after
breakfast than any other time of the day. Unless you specifically want
to turn those carbs directly into fat, you're better off with a protein
breakfast.

I really thought it was the other way around.
I really almost never have breakfast. I mean a real breakfast, not just
a liter of coffee with a big glass of water.
However, I can really rememebr the rare times when I had a
high-everyhting breakfast (bread, butter milk, jam,etc...).
I had a tremendous energy for the whole day. It was incredible.
I had no hunger at noon, at all.
On the other hand, I don't remember loosing weight during these
periods. But I rememember not puting on weight and being quite normally
shaped.

Huey

"Kaz Kylheku" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I was stupid enough to start low-carbing, when I already had a body
that most people would love to have. That turned out to be a disaster.

The key word here is stupid, meaning you. If you're going to blame LC for
making you lose muscle mass, then that's simple proof that you're a complete
and utter moron.

Jackie Patti said:

cole mecray said:

1) Eat healthy carbs at breakfast - oatmeal and fruit.

That's the worst time; blood glucose and insulin goes higher after
breakfast than any other time of the day. Unless you specifically want
to turn those carbs directly into fat, you're better off with a protein
breakfast.

For those who wish or need to add carbs, low-sugar fruits are a much
better choice than grains, though I'd be disinclined to recommend them
at breakfast.

If one wishes to eat grains, oatmeal is not the best choice. One is
much better off eating whole grains, so oat groats would be preferred to
oatmeal. But frankly, barley is a much better choice if one wants a
grain - barley has more antioxidants than blueberries.

Quoted message said:

4) Avoid eating carbs late in the day.

Actually, you have this backwards. Later in the day is when the body is
at moving the sugar into muscle cells rather than into the liver to be
converted to triglycerides.

If your purpose is replenishing glycogen in muscles, it should be later
in the day; if your purpose is adding triglycerides to adipose tissue,
you're better off eating them at breakfast.

--http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

Hey Jackie,

It seems like you have a good amount of scientific knowledge about
this topic. Thanks for your input. My post was based on my own
experience and the experience of other people that I know.

I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could
train the way I do without eating carbs. It's simply not a good long
term option for me. I have lost 50lbs, and am under 5% body fat.
Check out my website to see the end results. www.colemecray.com

I am also a personal trainer and I do recommend that overweight people
control their carb intake and do a few weeks of low carbs to help with
insulin resistance.

In addition, my feeling about some of the technical points you posted
is as follows:

Your body will only store fat to the extent that you are consuming
calories in excess of your body's needs. If you are lethargic, you
are probably low blood sugar and your body needs more calories at that
particular moment in time. Combining good quality carbs with foods
high in protein should slow down the insulin response and allow your
body to process the foods efficiently.

I have been successful on a diet high in protein and healthy carbs
that is low in fat. I wish everyone out there good luck in their
weight loss.

In article <[email hidden]>, cole mecray
says...

Quoted message said:

I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could
train the way I do without eating carbs. It's simply not a good long
term option for me. I have lost 50lbs, and am under 5% body fat.

I have been successful on a diet high in protein and healthy carbs
that is low in fat. I wish everyone out there good luck in their
weight loss.

I once lost 32 lbs. in 8 weeks, courtesy of the US Army. We marched everywhere
in the Ozark mountains of Missouri. At least 4-6 miles each way every day.

Contrary to what I anticipated, we didn't run all that much. We just put on
25-30 lbs worth of gear and marched/hiked daily for 8 weeks. I ate 3 big meals
every day with lots of carbs and still lost weight.

As a triathlete and marathoner, you would lose fat regardless of what you ate.
Or how much of it you ate. Carb-loading for you is a way of life.

If I were ever to attempt to run a marathon, I would probably be away from home
for 3-5 days. A triathalon would probably use up 2 weeks of my vacation. ;^)

5% body fat is great for a marathon runner or triathlete.

The rest of us can be pretty healthy with a BF percentage 4 to 5 times that.

Mark
"Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't"

cole mecray said:

.... My post was based on my own
experience and the experience of other people that I know.

But there's a problem with that:

Quoted message said:

I am a triathlete and marathon runner and there is no way I could
train the way I do without eating carbs.

Marathon training is different from other levels of training -
The first runner after the battle of marathon died because of
his run. Thus any opinions based on what works for
marathoners are utterly irrelevant and useless if extended
to folks not doing marathon training.

Sure, marathon runners eat plenty of carbs. So what. It
does not apply at all to folks not training for marathons and
tends to be counterproductive.

Quoted message said:

It's simply not a good long term option for me.

For *you*. Correct. Don't generalize unless that generalization
makes sense. Feel free to generalize to other marathoners,
and for that matter to athletes in other sports that are based on
fatal activities rendered non-lethal by way of specialized
training regimens.

Quoted message said:

I have lost 50lbs, and am under 5% body fat.

For normal humans that level of body fat is not healthy.
For folks trying to exit obesity it's irrelevant and advice aimed
at going from normal weight ranges to to level is worse than
irrelevant.

Quoted message said:

I am also a personal trainer and I do recommend that overweight people
control their carb intake and do a few weeks of low carbs to help with
insulin resistance.

Right. Low carb works to the normal weight ranges. It works
for folks who've built up to century bike rides as level but who
still stay under 100 grams per day, but even the century bike
ride level needs to drive folks to up their carbs.

Quoted message said:

In addition, my feeling about some of the technical points you posted
is as follows:

Your body will only store fat to the extent that you are consuming
calories in excess of your body's needs.

Calories work moderately well as an approximation, but storing
excess fat is based on the hormones that drive it not on exact
calorie counts.

Quoted message said:

If you are lethargic, you
are probably low blood sugar and your body needs more calories at that
particular moment in time.

True.

Quoted message said:

Combining good quality carbs with foods
high in protein should slow down the insulin response and allow your
body to process the foods efficiently.

Where "good quality carbs" generally equals veggies form the low
carb list and are thus low carb.

Quoted message said:

I have been successful on a diet high in protein and healthy carbs
that is low in fat.

Consistant with being a marathoner.

Kaz Kylheku said:

cole mecray said:

Hey Guys,

Quoted message said:

I'm new to the group but thought my experience would be useful to some
of you. I was on Atkins for about 5 years. While I was able to lose
some weight, I was never able to achieve the body I wanted.

I was stupid enough to start low-carbing, when I already had a body
that most people would love to have. That turned out to be a disaster.

I noticed recently that google started a photo sharing website, so I
now I have a place to stick some pictures:

http://photos.google.com/kkylheku

Can I recommend something for you, Kaz.

http://www.amazon.com/Adonis-Complex-Identify-Prevent-Obsession/dp/068486911X/ref=sr_1_2/105-3834377-1515662?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193760932&sr=8-2

It talks about big-o-rexia, which I think you have. At least your
pictures and your story seem to suggest.

If you're happy with having the Adonis Complex, maybe you
should try anabolic steroids. It's probably the only way you're
going to get where you really want to be. HGH wouldn't hurt,
either.

Hueyduck said:

[email hidden] a écrit :

Quoted message said:

On Oct 29, 12:43 am, Kaz Kylheku <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

I have no idea what this guy said. I think the carbs prevent him from
composing a coherent sentence.

If you hadn't mentionned him, I wouldn't have seen the message at all.
This entity's messages are successfully filtered with the key word
[email hidden]

This entity is a person, and the above is his real e-mail address.

You can easily filter my postings; I have no intention of making it
difficult for someone to be exposed to reading something that makes
him uncomfortable.

But obviously, you can't resist peeking at material you have
killfiled. Can't help you there, buddy.

Quoted message said:

Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition
if you ask me.

My BMI is over 23 in that picture (less than two points away from
being ``clinically'' overweight at 25, bahaha!), and my fat-free mass
index (FFMI) is just a little under 22 or thereabouts. The average
man's FFMI is 19. So I have considerably more muscle and far less fat
than the average male. Even intuitively, 175 is not light for a 6'1"
man, let alone one who is cut.

Quoted message said:

I would not like to look like him.

Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
universe where women have been programmed differently.

Hueyduck said:

Btw, the guy on the 2005 picture is on the verge of having malnutrition
if you ask me. I would not like to look like him. Shall I stay on low
carb? ;-)

Huey

that's what too much aerobic does to ya....

Kaz Kylheku said:

Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
universe where women have been programmed differently.

Is it the smell of the carbs that attracts them?

Tom a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Kaz Kylheku said:

Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
universe where women have been programmed differently.

I might be a bit rude here ,
but actually, if I have to get like this just to make "eye contact" with
a beautiful woman, I'd rather go on low-carbing the rest of my life.
Oh but wait...
I don't do women, right? No I don't.

Oh well lets' stay low-carb then.
;-)

Leaving jokes aside. Kaz, if you are sincere when writing here, I would
advise you to open your eyes more often: even when you were fat, you had
the means to be noticed. You simply didnt' want people to notice you.
There's a big chance that the only reason you want to be "well cut"
(which by definition you will never be since your standards change all
the time) is that the persuit of this gives you the need to look for
results in other people's eyes.
This is what I call the haircut syndrom.
After a haircut, you often notice that people in the street are looking
at you. omg: they *do* know that you just had a haircut!
Or is it that you just open your eyes searching for people looking at you?

Huey

Kaz Kylheku said:

Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
universe where women have been programmed differently.

It's the confidence. Women prefer lean and athletic. "Cut" big
muscularity
scares women. But the confidence is the number one thing. If the
muscles are your confidence, Samson, then sure, the muscles make
you attractive to women.

He sounds to me like he really needs to be working on his self esteem.

Hueyduck wrote:
| Tom a écrit :
|| On Oct 31, 8:59 am, Kaz Kylheku <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
||| beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
||| eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
||| ``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
||| less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
||| looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
||| athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
||| universe where women have been programmed differently.
|
| I might be a bit rude here ,
| but actually, if I have to get like this just to make "eye contact"
| with a beautiful woman, I'd rather go on low-carbing the rest of my
| life.
| Oh but wait...
| I don't do women, right? No I don't.
|
| Oh well lets' stay low-carb then.
| ;-)
|
| Leaving jokes aside. Kaz, if you are sincere when writing here, I
| would advise you to open your eyes more often: even when you were
| fat, you had the means to be noticed. You simply didnt' want people
| to notice you. There's a big chance that the only reason you want to
| be "well cut" (which by definition you will never be since your
| standards change all
| the time) is that the persuit of this gives you the need to look for
| results in other people's eyes.
| This is what I call the haircut syndrom.
| After a haircut, you often notice that people in the street are
| looking
| at you. omg: they *do* know that you just had a haircut!
| Or is it that you just open your eyes searching for people looking
| at you?
|
|
| Huey

Hollywood said:

On Oct 30, 8:59 pm, Kaz Kylheku <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Let me tell you something. As I reached that appearance, stunningly
beautiful women, the kind that look away when you try to catch their
eye, started making eye contact with me, smiling---and even saying
``Hi!''. This is was a completely new experience for me. Also, the
less unattractive ones started to shy away. I had to ``catch them
looking''. The ladies clearly, overwhelmingly prefer well-cut,
athletic guys. If you become one, it's like entering a parallel
universe where women have been programmed differently.

Quoted message said:

It's the confidence. Women prefer lean and athletic. "Cut" big
muscularity scares women. But the confidence is the number one
thing. If the muscles are your confidence, Samson, then sure, the
muscles make you attractive to women.

Exactly. If women started approaching you and showing interest, it's
because your new look made you more confident. That shows in your body
language, from the way you walk, to the angle of your head and
shoulders, to the look in your eyes. You can completely change the way
women view you and approach you without changing your physical
appearance one bit. Appearance matters very little, as long as you
don't actually smell bad or let your gut hang out under your shirt --
and even those guys can do better than you'd expect if their attitude is
perfect.

Not that there's anything wrong with improving your physique -- I'd love
to get back to the build that made people in college ask what position I
played -- but you can get as ripped as you want, and if you're still
timid and supplicating, it won't help much.

--
Aaron -- 285/254/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz