Chain lube...

KJB said:

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I thought I'd ask in case there are any new
products out there...

I recently tried using Pedros Ice Wax. I thoroughly cleaned the chain beforehand. I've tried
applying it sparingly, I've tried applying it liberally. It does a great job keeping the chain
squeaky clean. Problem is that the chain starts to squek every time after about 20 km's!! Is there
any product that keeps the chain clean like this, but actually works without developing the
squeaking so soon?!?!?

Try two or three coats when you lube the chain.

My experience is with White Lightning, a related product. I apply it every 100 miles in three coats.
Wipe after the first coat, then apply one or two more coats. Let it dry and harden overnight, wipe
in the morning, and ride. It will last through a double century as there is some buildup inside.

The experience of some is WL and PIW do not last in wet and rain. I have not had a problem, or my
rain rides have not been long enough to have had any problem.

WL and PIW do well in dusty environments as there is no oily coating on the chain for dust
to adhere.

Richard Kaiser

Richard,

I've tried White Ligghtening as well. I find id does lubricate much betterthan Pedros Ice, but that
it turns black very quickly as it seems to dissolve any dirt in it..

"Richard Kaiser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

KJB said:

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I thought I'd ask in case there are any new
products out there...

I recently tried using Pedros Ice Wax. I thoroughly cleaned the chain beforehand. I've tried
applying it sparingly, I've tried applying it liberally. It does a great job keeping the chain
squeaky clean. Problem is that the chain starts to squek every time after about 20 km's!! Is
there any product that keeps the chain clean like this, but actually works without developing
the squeaking so soon?!?!?

Try two or three coats when you lube the chain.

My experience is with White Lightning, a related product. I apply it every 100 miles in three
coats. Wipe after the first coat, then apply one or two more coats. Let it dry and harden
overnight, wipe in the morning, and ride. It will last through a double century as there is some
buildup inside.

The experience of some is WL and PIW do not last in wet and rain. I have not had a problem, or my
rain rides have not been long enough to have had any problem.

WL and PIW do well in dusty environments as there is no oily coating on the chain for dust
to adhere.

Richard Kaiser

<quote who= KJB [email hidden]/>:

Quoted message said:

Richard,

I've tried White Ligghtening as well. I find id does lubricate much betterthan Pedros Ice, but
that it turns black very quickly as it seems to dissolve any dirt in it..

They all stink. And I find its harder and harder to find wet lube. Everyone is going with the
wax-based stuff. Wet lube required weekly cleaning but it least it made it through the week and
didn't require that you go through half the bottle.

Oh boy, I hope I didn't start another flame fest.. 😉

J

--
Justin F. Knotzke [email hidden] shampoo.cashampoo.caOpen ↗

"KJB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Richard,

I've tried White Ligghtening as well. I find id does lubricate much betterthan Pedros Ice, but
that it turns black very quickly as it seems to dissolve any dirt in it..

Stuff that. Wax is a bad joke. I use motorcycle chain oil on my bike (nice thick gooey oil with
foamy solvent to get it into the rollers). Leaves the chain lovely and black, and actually
lubricates it.

Failing the motorbike chain oil, ordinary motor oil is also quite good.

And the neat bit is, both of these are available in nice big containers for very little money,
unlike the ridiculous prices you pay in bike shops for the wax [censored].

Cheers,

Suzy

I use Synthetic motor oil on my chain.

A QUART cost me about $3.00 and I expect that this will last me for the rest of my life. :-)

Oil is oil but I feel like the synthetic oil is much easier to clean off _IF_ it gets on my skin.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Lewis. (known to be tight with a buck)

**************************************

"KJB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I thought I'd ask in case there are any new
products out there...

I recently tried using Pedros Ice Wax. I thoroughly cleaned the chain beforehand. I've tried
applying it sparingly, I've tried applying it liberally. It does a great job keeping the chain
squeaky clean. Problem is that the chain starts to squek every time after about 20 km's!! Is there
any product that keeps the chain clean like this, but actually works without developing the
squeaking so soon?!?!?

Sharing my experience:

PIW: I've used this quite happily for 5-6 years and am still using it on my two "good" bikes that I
seldom ride in the rain. You need to get the chain very clean before applying it, and apply it
generously the first few times. After that, wipe chain and reapply every few rides. If chain gets
really dirty, wipe it with Pledge (solvent dissolves PIW) before reapplying. Used properly, it
lubes well, gives long chain life, runs quietly, etc. If it gets wet, PIW stays on longer than WL
but not as well as oil-based lubes. If you anticipate rain, you can mix PIW with a light silicone
oil before you ride.

WL: I used this on one bike for a year as an experiment and disliked it. It doesn't lubricate as
well or as long as PIW, gets messy (black clods of dirty wax) and comes off quickly in the rain.

PRO LINK: You didn't specifically ask about this, but last year I switched to Pro Link on my beater
and fixie, which do get ridden in the rain. It's easy to use, clean, lubricates and lasts well,
doesn't pick up dirt and grit like other oil lubes I've tried, etc. I'm really impressed with it.
For the time being I'll continue using PIW on those two "good" bikes until the last bottle is empty,
then will switch to Pro Link for everything.

Mike Yankee

(Address is munged to thwart spammers. To reply, delete everything after "com".)

"KJB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I thought I'd ask in case there are any new
products out there...

I recently tried using Pedros Ice Wax. I thoroughly cleaned the chain beforehand. I've tried
applying it sparingly, I've tried applying it liberally. It does a great job keeping the chain
squeaky clean. Problem

is

Quoted message said:

that the chain starts to squek every time after about 20 km's!! Is there any product that keeps
the chain clean like this, but actually works without developing the squeaking so soon?!?!?

So, you've discovered the benefits and joys of chain wax. Try something like oil (chainsaw bar oil
is great).

--
Robin Hubert <[email hidden]

"Justin F. Knotzke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<quote who= KJB [email hidden]/>:

Quoted message said:

Richard,

I've tried White Ligghtening as well. I find id does lubricate much betterthan Pedros Ice, but
that it turns black very quickly as it seems

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dissolve any dirt in it..

They all stink. And I find its harder and harder to find wet lube. Everyone is going with the
wax-based stuff.

Anywhere oil products are sold. Maybe you just like paying exhorbitant prices for "bicycle chain
lube" from bike shops.

Quoted message said:

Wet lube required weekly cleaning but it least it made it through the week and didn't require that
you go through half the bottle.

Right!

Quoted message said:

Oh boy, I hope I didn't start another flame fest.. 😉

Probably.

--
Robin Hubert <[email hidden]

KJB said:

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I thought I'd ask in case there are any new
products out there...

I recently tried using Pedros Ice Wax. I thoroughly cleaned the chain beforehand. I've tried
applying it sparingly, I've tried applying it liberally. It does a great job keeping the chain
squeaky clean. Problem is that the chain starts to squek every time after about 20 km's!! Is there
any product that keeps the chain clean like this, but actually works without developing the
squeaking so soon?!?!?

motor oil will keep the squeaks away for hundreds of times the mileage you're reporting, for a tiny
fraction of the cost. It doesn't keep the chain "squeaky" clean. I can live with that.

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TBGibb said:

10-30 or chain saw bar oil. MUCH cheaper than the botique stuff and

Can motor oil / bar oil be used without making a mess? I expect it to splatter not only all over
the chainstay and wheel, but my legs and clothing too.

When using oil on your chain, wipe it clean with a rag before riding. Oil on the outside of
the chain (and on your gears) just collects dirt. The oil left inside the joints is all that
is required.

Matt O.

Does anyone remember the extremely positive review that White Lighting received in a major bike mag
a few years ago? I remember reading it and thinking that it was going to be the perfect chain lube
for dry riding. I purchased a small bottle and had a horrible time getting to even squirt out. I
kept shaking it but every time it clogged after a little bit. I finally made the hole bigger and got
it on my chain. After one long ride my chain was a mess...and no longer lubed. I asked around and it
seemed that everyone I talked to, that had used it had a similar experience. When I asked at one
bike shop they told me that it was great. When I pressed, they admitted that they had never used it,
but had read the same review that I
did.

"Justin F. Knotzke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<quote who= KJB [email hidden]/>:

Quoted message said:

Richard,

I've tried White Ligghtening as well. I find id does lubricate much betterthan Pedros Ice, but
that it turns black very quickly as it seems

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dissolve any dirt in it..

They all stink. And I find its harder and harder to find wet lube. Everyone is going with the
wax-based stuff. Wet lube required weekly cleaning but it least it made it through the week and
didn't require that you go through half the bottle.

Oh boy, I hope I didn't start another flame fest.. 😉

J

--
Justin F. Knotzke [email hidden] shampoo.cashampoo.caOpen ↗

"RWM" <[email hidden]> top-posted in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Does anyone remember the extremely positive review that White Lighting received in a major bike
mag a few years ago? I remember reading it and thinking that it was going to be the perfect chain
lube for dry riding. I purchased a small bottle and had a horrible time getting to even squirt

out.

Quoted message said:

I kept shaking it but every time it clogged after a little bit. I finally made the hole bigger and
got it on my chain.

FWIW, White Lightning had a recall on a huge bad batch back then; sounds like you got one of the
faulty bottles (as did I -- saw a sign at the LBS saying to return it).

I've been using it for years now, and although it doesn't keep my drivetrain clean (as advertised?),
it works pretty well for the dry dusty conditions here in LoSoCal.

Bill "thinking of trying oil on the road bike, however" S.

Rick Onanian said:

Can motor oil / bar oil be used without making a mess?

I use suspension fork oil with no problems. It takes only about 2 ml
- a little more and messy hell gets unleashed ;-)

--
Pozdrawiam! Rado bladteth Rzeznicki widzew.netrower.htmlOpen ↗
"][email hidden] MCM #252

Richard Kaiser <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:21:18 -0700, KJB wrote:

Quoted message said:

The experience of some is WL and PIW do not last in wet and rain. I have not had a problem, or my
rain rides have not been long enough to have had any problem. Richard Kaiser

I can confirm this! I decided to try WL last year to see what the fuss was about. Thoroughly
degreased all drive components including new chain first.

In my daily ride to work it lasted ONE WAY only before developing a horrible squeak. It rained
fairly heavily that week, but IMHO a lubricant that doesn't work in the wet is pretty much
worthless, certainly where I live.

After a week I had used a large bottle of WL costing £7.00. As this is as much as I spent on chain
lubricants in the previous 5 years I decided to go back to my old method.

I can only say that if you live where it rains then WL is next to useless...other brands may be
better, but I am not inclined to spend more money finding out.

For the record my standard cleaning procedure is as follows - remove chain, shake with solvent
(white spirit), transfer to the next solvent bath daily for 3 days. Transfer to oil bath (gearbox
oil) shake, leave a day. Hang up to "dry" for a day or two, then wrap in newspaper until needed. I
use two chains per bike so I don't have to rush to clean them. I'm sure the length of soak is
immaterial, but it fits in with my routine.

I keep 3 solvent baths in large mouthed jars. After use I decant of the solvent, wash & dry the jar,
then put the solvent back for re-use.

Andrew Webster

"MikeYankee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Sharing my experience:

Quoted message said:

PRO LINK: You didn't specifically ask about this, but last year I

switched to

Quoted message said:

Pro Link on my beater and fixie, which do get ridden in the rain. It's

easy to

Quoted message said:

use, clean, lubricates and lasts well, doesn't pick up dirt and grit like

other

Quoted message said:

oil lubes I've tried, etc. I'm really impressed with it. For the time

being

Quoted message said:

I'll continue using PIW on those two "good" bikes until the last bottle is empty, then will switch
to Pro Link for everything.

I just recently switched to ProLink on my good road bike and have been *very* happy with it. My
experience has been the same as you describe.

I haven't yet tried it my beater bike, the one I ride in wet conditions. Do you have experience with
ProLink in wet conditions that you can share?

Mish