Chain skipping

Micheal Artindale said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I replaced the
chain, and now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped chain
cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in fall, or
spring.

Replace cassette and/or chainrings. Cogs and chainrings will wear to
accomodate a worn chain, particularly if the chain is very worn. Skipping
with a new chain is a typical indication that you waited too long to replace
the chain and now are probably going to have to replace the offending
cassette or ring.

Good read here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html Scroll down to the
section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear" for the specific details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for between $20-30
bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just $5 too....

Tom

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Quoted message said:

Micheal Artindale said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I replaced the
chain, and now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped chain
cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in fall, or
spring.

Replace cassette and/or chainrings. Cogs and chainrings will wear to
accomodate a worn chain, particularly if the chain is very worn. Skipping
with a new chain is a typical indication that you waited too long to

replace

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the chain and now are probably going to have to replace the offending
cassette or ring.

are all rings replaceable?

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Good read here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html Scroll down to

the

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section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear" for the specific details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for between $20-30
bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just $5 too....

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it worth that
much? will my new chain wear to match the worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike.

Micheal

tcmedara said:

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for between $20-30
bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just $5 too....

Tom

LOL, here we go... another 100 post flame war.

John M

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it worth that
much? will my new chain wear to match the worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike.

Micheal

Well you could take this as a learning experience and teach yourself how to
change a cassette... spend a little money..

Eventally your new bike will need to worked on too so might as well start
now.

Maybe your new chain is on backwards. 🙂

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I replaced the chain,

and

Quoted message said:

now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped chain cause the
complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in fall, or spring.

Micheal Artindale said:

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are all rings replaceable?

I can't think of any that aren't at the moment, but someone may have an
example. Usually you should be able to find replacements.

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Good read here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html Scroll
down to the section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear" for the specific
details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for between
$20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just
$5 too....

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it worth
that much? will my new chain wear to match the worn sprockets?

AFAIK, there's no "life exectency" on a bike. There's some smart folks out
there that could probably explain fatigue and cyclic loading, and how
aluminum and steel are different in a bunch of different ways. Bottom line
for a 5 year old frame -- unless is damaged it's probably okay. Take it to
an LBS if you're not sure. Take a look at rec.bicycles.tech and you'll see
guys asking about parts for bikes 20 and 30 years old. Unless you've got
problems with the frame, a 5 year old bike should still be quite functional.
I have two bikes in my garage right now that are both pushing 10 years old.
Lots of new parts on both, but they're still both working fine.

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Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike.

You're not screwed at all. New rings and cassette are cheaper than a new
bike. If you want a new bike because the old one doesn't serve your needs
then by all means upgrade. If you just think it's "time" for a new one,
then you need to filter out the marketing hype and ask yourself what you
really want.

Good luck!

Tom

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it worth that
much? will my new chain wear to match the worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike.

Micheal

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about shopping. He's an
idiot.

That said, the "bike" is almost certainly okay after 5 years, but much of
the drivetrain is probably kicked. It is very possible that you can't get
replacement chainrings (the ones on the crank) if you're bike is as cheap as
you make it seem. If it's from a toy store or something you might be
screwed, but anything from a bike shop can be refitted/upgraded. In the
rear, your cassette (the group of gears on the back wheel) is probably worn,
and your chain was certainly trashed. If you wait too long to dump an old
chain you'll wear the cassette in such a way that a new chain doesn't quite
fit - that seems to be the source of your skipping problem.

If it's been 5 years and you ride a lot, get a nice bike man. Move up from
"guy on bike" to "cyclist." It feels good. If you take riding real
serious, start researching individual parts and after a few months to a year
(it takes that long) you'll know exactly what you want and can have it
built. If you want a bike for less than $1000 US, however, hang out at a
couple of bike shops until you feel comfortable in one, then start shopping
there. In my experience the best bang-for-the-buck bikes are Marin and
Specialized, the worst is Trek. By far.

I'm a bit of drivetrain tuning away from having the bike I've wanted for
about a year and a half, and it feels good. You should know this feeling 🙂

Chris

Chris said:

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it worth
that much? will my new chain wear to match the worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike.

Micheal

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about shopping. He's an
idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something I've written, then
spell it out rather than just spout insult. Here's how.....

You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice I gave him on the
age of his bike and the impact of a worn chain on the rest of the
drivetrain. Makes you look stupid, dumbass, not me.

You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real "cyclist" -- let
me guess, you're a recent roadie convert? Mebbe you should hook up with
Danny VO2 and spout nonsense to each other. You give the man bike advice
when you don't have a clue how much he's willing to spend, where he plans to
ride, or what he wants from his bike. If the only thing wrong with the
man's bike is a worn drivetrain, then maybe his POS is all he needs to be a
real "cyclist."

Main Entry: cy·clist
Pronunciation: 'sI-k(&-)l&st
Function: noun
: one who rides a cycle

HTH

Tom

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Chris said:

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about shopping. He's an
idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something I've written,

then

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spell it out rather than just spout insult. Here's how.....

I know how. I told you how much of an idiot you were when you were [censored]
about a bike shop charging you for service. Pay more attention, or Google
before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

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You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice I gave him on

the

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age of his bike and the impact of a worn chain on the rest of the
drivetrain. Makes you look stupid, dumbass, not me.

Not quite. You also spouted marketing nonsense about aluminum vs. steel,
threw out a huge chunk of wisdom with "unless is damaged it's probably
okay," failed to address that he may not be able to find direct replacement
chainrings if his bike is low-end enough, and finished by advising a guy who
says "I dont want to spend more money on a dying bike" to go get rings and a
cassette.

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You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real "cyclist" -- let
me guess, you're a recent roadie convert?

Nope. I'm no racer, I'm no fitness freak, and the closest I've ever had/do
have to road bikes are a 40-year-old 27" British beater and a Cross-Check I
just finished. Anybody with $100 can be a guy on a bike - "cyclists" are
those that really understand the skills, knowledge, and understanding
required to maintain, operate, and discuss bikes and bicycling with others.
The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's not
a cyclist. Just like "musician," "artist," "father," etc., the word carries
more weight than a dictionary can impart. Playing a guitar does not make
you a musician. Putting paint to a canvas does not make you an artist.
Creating a child does not make you a father. Owning a bike does not make
you a cyclist.

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Mebbe you should hook up with
Danny VO2 and spout nonsense to each other. You give the man bike advice
when you don't have a clue how much he's willing to spend,

He didn't offer that information, and I included suggestions ranging thusly:
replace individual parts, get a low-end bike from a real bike shop, build
exactly what you want. As those prices range from $20 for a cheap cassette
to $thousands for a custom build, I say I covered his price range no matter
what it was/is.

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where he plans to
ride, or what he wants from his bike.

I gave him the best advice - find a good LBS he's comfortable with and talk
to them. You, not understanding how to function in the bike shop,
understandably missed this.

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If the only thing wrong with the
man's bike is a worn drivetrain, then maybe his POS is all he needs to be

a

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real "cyclist."

All of us at alt.m-b have a crappy bike around. Not everyone with a crappy
bike has a nice bike lying around. Understand that difference.

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Tom

Chris

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I replaced the chain,

and

Quoted message said:

now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped chain cause the
complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in fall, or spring.

Thanks for all the ideas...

My bike is the low end of the low ended bikes...

If i have to spend money to keep it going till fall.... i will, but only if
i have too.

After riding it for about 2 days it is slowly going away. I will wait a
week, and go see a LBS if its still giving me problems.

I concider myself a cyclist, not cus i have the bike, the clothes, or even a
helmet when it is not law.... but, because of the fact that i appreciate all
of the kind people out there that build, and maintain all of the wonderful
trails. I ride them and get better, so if this all doesnt make me a
cyclist... i guess i need to upgrade to a $10,000 bike.....any ideas?

Ride hard.

Micheal

Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's not
a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

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Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's

not

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a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

Thirded"

Shaun aRe

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Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's

not

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a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

Thirded"

Me four.
--
Jonesy "expert on what it takes to be a total [censored]"

Jonesey says:

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Jonesy "expert on what it takes to be a total [censored]"

Too easy... ;-P

<Originally posted by Bomba

You sir, are an [censored]. >

Ahhh but not just any [censored]... he's a cyclist [censored]!!!

Jimbo...bring on the clowns...(san)

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Chris said:

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Chris said:

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about shopping. He's
an idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something I've
written, then spell it out rather than just spout insult. Here's
how.....

I know how. I told you how much of an idiot you were when you were
[censored] about a bike shop charging you for service. Pay more
attention, or Google before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

No hole, dumbass. He asked about why the chain was skipping, not how to get
a freewheel removed in a bike shop. If you want to call me an idiot for
something completely off topic and from another thread, at least have the
courtesy to explain that to the OP who appears to be -- as you say --
"underinformed." As it stands now, you appear to be doing overtime with the
shovel. But hey, you're the one who turned this into a hump fest.

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You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice I gave him
on the age of his bike and the impact of a worn chain on the rest of
the drivetrain. Makes you look stupid, dumbass, not me.

Not quite. You also spouted marketing nonsense about aluminum vs.
steel, threw out a huge chunk of wisdom with "unless is damaged it's
probably okay,

Try the reading comprehension thing there, my boy. What I said was:
"AFAIK, there's no "life exectency" on a bike. There's some smart folks out
there that could probably explain fatigue and cyclic loading, and how
aluminum and steel are different in a bunch of different ways."

Let me walk you through it -- Steel and aluminum are different materials,
ergo they behave differently. I'm not a metallurgist, but there is ample
literature (as opposed to marketing hype) about the different properties of
metal and metal fatigue. From what I understand (as an admitted
non-expert), an undamaged steel frame should last nearly indefinitely, but
aluminum has some theoretical limit that will may eventaully cause a frame
to fail even without prior damage. If I'm wrong, then correct me.
Otherwise STFU. *Bottom line* (as I said before) unless it's damaged (i.e.
cracked, bent, broken, dinged, or otherwise crumpled), there's little reason
to believe there's anything at all wrong with the frame. The OP should
re-assess weather his bike is really a POS or just needs some TLC, some
adjustments, or some upgrades. On the basis of almost no information,
you're telling the guy to buy a new bike. That smacks of a marketing
nonsense to me.

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" failed to address that he may not be able to find
direct replacement chainrings if his bike is low-end enough, and
finished by advising a guy who says "I dont want to spend more money
on a dying bike" to go get rings and a cassette.

I said -- now stay with me, dumbass -- "I can't think of any that aren't at
the moment, but someone may have an example." The inference was that there
probably are cranks with unreplaceable rings, but I couldn't think of any at
the time. Got it? Rather than give an example of "low end" bikes with
unreplaceable rings, you merely make an assertion. Well here's my my
factual counter to your ungrounded assertion. My wife has a 10 year old
rigid low end bike, with low-end cranks, that has replaceable rings. What
you failed to address, dumbass, in your zeal to nitpick was the fact that
the OP could also upgrade the crankset itself if the individual rings are
not replacable. Again, still cheaper than a new bike.

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You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real "cyclist"
-- let me guess, you're a recent roadie convert?

Nope. I'm no racer, I'm no fitness freak, and the closest I've ever
had/do have to road bikes are a 40-year-old 27" British beater and a
Cross-Check I just finished. Anybody with $100 can be a guy on a
bike - "cyclists" are those that really understand the skills,
knowledge, and understanding required to maintain, operate, and
discuss bikes and bicycling with others. The OP is obviously new,
underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's not a cyclist. Just
like "musician," "artist," "father," etc., the word carries more
weight than a dictionary can impart. Playing a guitar does not make
you a musician. Putting paint to a canvas does not make you an
artist. Creating a child does not make you a father. Owning a bike
does not make you a cyclist.

WTF made you the keeper of the cycling lexicon? Owning a bike doesn't make
you a cyclist, riding one does. Beyond that, your comments are just a bunch
of elitist [censored]. If you've never been a roadie, you probably should
have been. You would have found some kindred spirits (with my apologies to
the legions of non-elitist cyclists who ride just for the sheer joy of it).

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Mebbe you should hook up with
Danny VO2 and spout nonsense to each other. You give the man bike
advice when you don't have a clue how much he's willing to spend,

He didn't offer that information,

But you didn't let that stop you....hahaha, now you might be on to
something.

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and I included suggestions ranging
thusly: replace individual parts, get a low-end bike from a real bike
shop, build exactly what you want. As those prices range from $20
for a cheap cassette to $thousands for a custom build, I say I
covered his price range no matter what it was/is.

Here let me help you remember your own post:
Chris wrote: "If it's been 5 years and you ride a lot, get a nice bike man.
Move up from "guy on bike" to "cyclist." It feels good. " More marketing
nonsense.

I seem to recall it was me who suggested the $20.00 cassette.....Here ya go,
just so you don't have to hurt yourself googling....
tcmedara wrote: "Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for
between $20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just
$5 too...." (note self-deprecating humor)

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I gave him the best advice - find a good LBS he's comfortable with
and talk to them. You, not understanding how to function in the bike
shop, understandably missed this.

Go back and read the OP. He was looking for "Any ideas, besides replace
bike", of course in your zeal to hump my leg you lost sight of the whole
topic. You gave him a bunch of [censored] he didn't ask for. I answered his
question regarding why his new chain was skipping.

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If the only thing wrong with the
man's bike is a worn drivetrain, then maybe his POS is all he needs
to be a real "cyclist."

All of us at alt.m-b have a crappy bike around.
Not everyone with a
crappy bike has a nice bike lying around. Understand that difference.

.....maybe so, maybe not. And not everyone has one of each. The OP appears
to have *a* bike. Some just have a bike that they ride - crappy, nice, or
otherwise. Understand the difference?

Keep diggin, son. This is fun to watch....

I think Bomba put it best

Tom