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  1. Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

  2. Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United
    States.

    Thanks

    Caught an episode on PBS' Frontline late last night called 'Diet Wars'.
    Interesting show about the various diets recommended in the U.S. for the
    last 30 years or so; which ones are popular, which ones are good or bad. Of
    course everyone had an opinion and no real consensus was reached by the time
    I turned off the television.

    Jill

  3. Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks


    I feel it is the widespread use of Convienence foods...stuffed full of
    Salts and various Sugars. Plus our more relaxed and less active life
    style these days...hell you don't even have to get up and go to the
    phone it's in your pocket, every middleclass home has enough cars that
    nobody walks...anywhere...and entertainment isn't playing outside it's
    sitting and watching a video monitor of some sort whether it be tv,
    video games or a puter. Nobody 'sweats' for fun or anything else if it
    can be avoided.

    The cheaper foods are the ones that cause the most weight gain so in
    lower class or poor families life consists of watching tv and eating
    cheap fatening foods as they can't afford better food or pay for
    memberships to sport activities/clubs.

  4. "Mr Libido Incognito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I feel it is the widespread use of Convienence foods...stuffed full of
    Salts and various Sugars.

    ....especially that high fructose corn syrup junk...

    Quoted message said:

    Plus our more relaxed and less active life
    style these days...hell you don't even have to get up and go to the
    phone it's in your pocket, every middleclass home has enough cars that
    nobody walks...anywhere...and entertainment isn't playing outside it's
    sitting and watching a video monitor of some sort whether it be tv,
    video games or a puter. Nobody 'sweats' for fun or anything else if it
    can be avoided.

    The cheaper foods are the ones that cause the most weight gain so in
    lower class or poor families life consists of watching tv and eating
    cheap fatening foods as they can't afford better food or pay for
    memberships to sport activities/clubs.

    Yep. That's exactly why.

    Mary--about to go for a loooooong bike ride

  5. Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

    Just one mother's observation in the why category. I see a fair number
    of adults giving their children special "kid friendly" meals, while the
    adults nosh on other more nutritional things. On Christmas my SIL fed
    the toddler a kiddie cup serving of mac and cheese, rather than the
    offerings laid out for everyone else. Sure some of it wasn't
    appropriate for a wee one but other things were fine like turkey, peas,
    steamed carrots et cetera. Others I know feed their kids a steady diet
    of mac & cheese, hot dogs, frozen pizza, anything in a "snack cup,"
    spagetti-o's, and other such crud. Severe lack of veggies and fruits.

    My mom keeps telling me that just because it isn't my way or her way or
    MIL's way it's still okay, I can't bring myself to agree. There's
    something to be said for having been raised by Hippie, back to nature,
    nutritionally concious parents. Part of it was the laid back approach
    to food, part was not having the money to spend on special "kid food"
    and a big part was a concentration on all the homegrown and home canned
    fruits and veggies from our garden, plethora of berry patches and
    pseudo-orchard. I learned to like good food rather than prepackaged
    [censored].

    I've been an you have what everyone else is having type mom, within
    reason. There are a few things that the adults love that my 11 y/o
    won't touch, she's tried them and just plain doesn't like them, no big
    deal. She won't touch risotto or Thai curries, but has made several
    tries with them without any pushing from me. She also prides herself
    in the "weird" foods that she loves, and takes great pleasure in
    disgusting her friends with some of her favorites. Always makes me
    giggle when I overhear the "eews" associated with her talking about the
    stuff she likes, since she started eating seafood at about 2 1/2 she
    has yet to meet a fish or shellfish she didn't like, right down to uni.
    Veggies favs are brussel sprouts and artichokes, celeric and parsnips
    rate high as well. Venison, Elk, Antelope, & Bison trump beef.

    Report card reward is taking her out to dinner at the restaurant of her
    choice for making honor roll. Within the Portland, ME area we always
    end up at either a little ethnic restaurant, BenKay, Fuji, Street &
    Company, Dimillo's, or oh my poor wallet Fore Street.

    Kid's eat what they are used to it's wholey up to the parents to
    determine if their children prefer healthy foods to calorie ladden
    garbage lacking in nutritional value.

    Jessica

  6. Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.


    Why would the results of a random poll be the least bit meaningful?
    This is an issue that should be (and is) the subject of rigorous study,
    not public opinion. Or are you really studying how widespread
    particular misconceptions are? -aem

  7. Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

    HFCS

    Bubba

    --
    You wanna measure or you wanna cook?

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    Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    Over-worry about fat in the diet, incomplete understanding of the insulin
    cycle, a lack of understanding of what is obese, child-to-child comparisons,
    and the cycle of children's growth patterns.
    In short and in lay terms (if you want the accurate technical mechnisms,
    consult mid level bio-med college texts wherte the exact mechanisms are
    described in detail):

    Fat in a child's diet - Parents who deny their children at least 30% fat
    in their diet handicap their children mentally and physically. I also
    beleive that children will naturally seek fats in their diet, and when
    denied dietary fat, they will increase calorie intake to have their own
    necessary fat stores for their growth periods.
    It is almost universally accepted among sports nutritionists that the
    average person needs 30% minimum fat in their diet for the ATP cycle. Below
    that level in the diet, human physical performance drops measurably. (The
    forums I have read have them arguing about how much protein vs
    carbohydrtates - NEVER about the fat percent)
    The human brain grows fastest during the first year and in the early teen
    years. The primary nutrient for brain tissue development is lipids found
    only in fat. Logically, and in socio-economic/socio-parent group studies,
    children with lower fat diets did less well than children with adequate fat.
    (Polar bear and orca will leave the meat and eat only fat of a kill, if
    food is plentiful - and they have a LOT of muscle built from fat)

    Insulin cycle - Since insulin is a poison to tissues, the body strikes a
    fine balance between sugar and insulin, in amount and in timing of its
    release.
    First, there are only three sugars that the body uses that pass thru the
    intestinal walls - glucose, fructose, and galactose (from milk, not able to
    be used by 80% of adults).
    After eating carbohydrates, the adult body breaks it down into the two
    absorbable ones. For glucose, the body responds by secreting insulin. For
    fructose, insulin is not released. This presents two problems:
    Fructose - Insulin creates the depressed appetite. The use of cheaper
    fructose now used as sweeteners -which does not cause an insulin release -
    does not depress the appetite as would have the sucrose used decades ago
    (sucrose is basically glucose hung on a fructose molecule). Eat fructose,
    still hungry. In short, with fructose (fruits and the mpost common sweetener
    now used), the calories eaten do not depress the appetite.
    Glucose - More insulin than needed for the sugar in the blood "shocks"
    the cells, gradually building intolerance for the insulin in cells. This is
    normally prevented by the body by the slow relase of glucose - except when
    the timing of glucoise ingestion and insulin release is upset by short
    shocks of sugar. I.e., the rapid absorption of glucose into the blood and
    the rapid use by the cells as the pancreas responds to the intial rush
    sometimes presents an imbalance when the sugar runs out while the pancreas
    is still responding -known as "insulin bounce".
    In modern jargon, the glycemic index of ingested glucose is too fast for the
    body to handle before the insulin begins to create resistance
    After 30 years of eating sugared cereal and skim milk/ sugared coffee for
    breakfast, that human is so insulin resitant that type 2 diabetes creeps in.

    What is obese - indeed. Clinically, it is different for males and females
    and is a diagnosed medical condition, not the "Healthy Council for
    Americans" or some press-pandering think tank. It is NOT "chubby", it is not
    "stocky", or any cultural perception. And my pet peeve as a coach for
    years - it is not some kid who is defined by some right-wing congressional
    subcommittee as fat because they falied a pinch test at age 12 -
    (Rant - I personally know of two kids I coached who ran under-5 miles,
    100 situps in a minute, did the stretch tests, and maxed ALL the
    Presidential fitness requirements - but failed the pinch test and their
    parents got letters warning them that their children were obese. Parents
    made no changes, no diets. Both kids are now 6'3, weigh 210-220, both
    played D1 sports, and they now fail the BMI, even though they have 6-10%
    body fat as measured by their teams. )
    Body fat is not obese.

    Body fat and growth - While some children are obese (defined by being more
    than 30-40% body fat) at their particular stage of development, a healthy
    child will store fat readying for growth spurts. (Thin children entering
    growth spurts in elementary school and in their early teens are smaller than
    their heavier counterparts at the end of the spurt)
    E.g., teen boys can go from 140 pounds to 165, 160 to 190 pounds of
    "muscle" - putting on 25-30 pounds in the space of one year. That is a
    half-pound of muscle and bone a week - with humans as inefficient as they
    are at using claories, a lot of extra calories are required to sustain that
    kind of growth, and once started, only the lack of calories seems to slow it
    for those years - IMHE, as long as the body has fat stores, it will
    supplement normal intake with fat stores to sustain the growth spurt.
    That is not to say that some kids are not obese. It is meant to note
    that insufficient fat and intake slows physical development, and stored fat
    is used for growth.

    Child-to-child comparisons - I was always envious of the body builders
    definition, until I found out that it is gotten by creating high blood
    pressure just before the meet. That kid with unending muscle definition has
    high blood pressure to create that definition. I was as strong or stronger,
    played several sports, but couldn't get definition.
    Until the age of 13-14, it is poor practice to compare general physical
    attributes among children in age groups. There is too much variation in
    physical and mental and emotiuonal developement that a norm is hard to
    define.
    As to older children - go back to a high school reunion and see how small
    all those chosen high school athletes actually were. Most were early
    developers, who had their growth spurt arrested earlier (because of low body
    fat when the spurt started?), picked out of the crowd by adults and assigned
    values.

    fwiw... sorry - time flies and I gotta go without checking or editing...

    Quoted message said:

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

  9. hob said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United
    States.
    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it
    will become an enormous financial burden on this country as these
    kids grow up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive
    medical assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax
    payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

    Not enough physical activity, period. They have taken physical education out
    of most of the schools in the US. Hours of sitting in a class room with
    hours more at home. Weekends sitting in front of a TV instead of going out
    to play due to parents fears. It doesn't matter what you eat if you don't
    move.

    I also have a problem with "financial burden to this country", it isn't a
    financial problem to this country only its insurance companies. If you don't
    have insurance you will not get treatment in the US regardless of what you
    might think. Now let me see they first said motorcycle riders had to wear
    helmets to save the tax payer and then you had to have seat belts to save
    lives. Next they are moving into your food and tell you what you have to
    eat. I guess it will be against the law soon to die and cause someone to pay
    to bury you. People are living longer and better lives than any time in
    history.

    --

    Joe Cilinceon

  10. Jessica V. said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hi all,

    I created a poll to see what most of you feel are the biggest
    contributing factors to the child obesity problem in the United States.

    In my opinion, not only is this a huge problem health wise, but it will
    become an enormous financial burden on this country as these kids grow
    up to be obese adults who depend on extremely expensive medical
    assistance throughout their lives, often funded by tax payers.

    Please go here to take the poll:
    http://www.pollmenow.com/poll.aspx?goto=276

    I'll be happy to share the results when enough people have taken it.

    Thanks

    Just one mother's observation in the why category. I see a fair number
    of adults giving their children special "kid friendly" meals, while the
    adults nosh on other more nutritional things. On Christmas my SIL fed
    the toddler a kiddie cup serving of mac and cheese, rather than the
    offerings laid out for everyone else. Sure some of it wasn't
    appropriate for a wee one but other things were fine like turkey, peas,
    steamed carrots et cetera. Others I know feed their kids a steady diet
    of mac & cheese, hot dogs, frozen pizza, anything in a "snack cup,"
    spagetti-o's, and other such crud. Severe lack of veggies and fruits.

    my kid likes all that stuff, but she eats lots of fruits and veggies,
    too. she is in that stage where she doesn't like anything mixed together
    or touching, so we often eat different things for dinner. (or if I make
    hamburgers, I make her a plain one, with no onions or peppers in it, etc.)

    Quoted message said:

    My mom keeps telling me that just because it isn't my way or her way or
    MIL's way it's still okay, I can't bring myself to agree. There's
    something to be said for having been raised by Hippie, back to nature,
    nutritionally concious parents. Part of it was the laid back approach
    to food, part was not having the money to spend on special "kid food"
    and a big part was a concentration on all the homegrown and home canned
    fruits and veggies from our garden, plethora of berry patches and
    pseudo-orchard. I learned to like good food rather than prepackaged
    [censored].

    I've been an you have what everyone else is having type mom, within
    reason. There are a few things that the adults love that my 11 y/o
    won't touch, she's tried them and just plain doesn't like them, no big
    deal. She won't touch risotto or Thai curries, but has made several
    tries with them without any pushing from me. She also prides herself
    in the "weird" foods that she loves, and takes great pleasure in
    disgusting her friends with some of her favorites. Always makes me
    giggle when I overhear the "eews" associated with her talking about the
    stuff she likes, since she started eating seafood at about 2 1/2 she
    has yet to meet a fish or shellfish she didn't like, right down to uni.
    Veggies favs are brussel sprouts and artichokes, celeric and parsnips
    rate high as well. Venison, Elk, Antelope, & Bison trump beef.

    Report card reward is taking her out to dinner at the restaurant of her
    choice for making honor roll. Within the Portland, ME area we always
    end up at either a little ethnic restaurant, BenKay, Fuji, Street &
    Company, Dimillo's, or oh my poor wallet Fore Street.

    Kid's eat what they are used to it's wholey up to the parents to
    determine if their children prefer healthy foods to calorie ladden
    garbage lacking in nutritional value.

    Jessica

    --

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