CHRISTIANS ARE IDIOTS AND LIARS.

Hey! Chill a bit Creepy. I'll let you in on a secret. When the Rapture
comes, all those [censored] wannabe christians are in for a very big surprise.
Guess who won't be watching with me from up high. ;-) I'm the Way for some
but it's not an exclusive stairway to Nirvana--Heaven to some of you.
Peace!

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I hate these Christian [censored] that because of their own doubts go
around spewing their [censored] only in hopes to find other idiots stupid
enough to join their cult and somehow enforce their groupthink.

If Jesus is so god damn great then why does he need so many idiot
salespeople?

Let's get a few facts straight. The bible is a highly flawed document
with hundreds of thousands of critical lapses in logic, truth and
reality. Here are just a few examples:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

No wonder Christians are so screwed up!!!

Second, Jesus is a liar. That's right he promised to return while the
apostles are still alive. That was over 1900 years ago. So he's a bit
late which in my book makes him a [censored] liar. Here's some more
reasons he is a liar.

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask
for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to
say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by
praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie
by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity
right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my
house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I'm converted
today, I'll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life
to kissing God's ass. If I'm not converted it would only be fair
for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.

Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if
you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to
the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and
cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer,
believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock
and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives;
and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will
be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about
anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who
is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My
name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted
up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but
believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him.
Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you
will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will
find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks,
receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the
door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father
may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I
will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for
whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed
you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the
Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen,
amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give
you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you
will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

Third, prayer if worthless. Over 50,000 people die a day of starvation
and you can bet your ass they are praying for food. (A lot of them
praying to the same god you do.) If god can't be bothered to answer
their prayers what ego-centric thought process somehow made you think
he would answer your prayer for a new Ferrari, winning lottery numbers
or a plasma TV? I know for a fact that Henry Chang has been praying
for a head of hair ever since puberty and look what good it's done him!

Fourth, Jesus is a false messiah. According to Jesus' admissions, as
well as the Bible's prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been
the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know
it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections.
The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to
identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall
be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the
Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies
and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.

Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel,
which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him
Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 &
Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his
genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David
through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin
Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of
maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there
is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament
with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not
fulfilled.

Fifth, America is not a Christian nation and in fact the founding
father despised Christianity. Thomas Jefferson called the bible
"dunghill" which of course means 'pile of [censored]'.

Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli reads, "The Government of the
United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Here are some other comments from some of our founding fathers;

Thomas Jefferson:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do
not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming
feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions
of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has
been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and
the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the
earth.

SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short
Jefferson again:

Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever
shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated
upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led
by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.

More Jefferson:

The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine
for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into
a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy,
in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible?

Dunghill.

John Adams:

Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions,
Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find
religion encumbered with in these days?

Also Adams:

The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover
for absurdity.

Here's Thomas Paine:

I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His
name to that book (the Bible).

Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find
one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher
the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the
daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by
(attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice
of God against the evils of the Bible.

Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive
sins...and you will have sins in abundance.

The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in
pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.

So here is my advice to Christians, STFU! If we need you, we'll find
you. Look after your own souls because in the end no one else can do
it for you.

(Much of this information was taken from these three websites:

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

Feel free to enjoy the real truth.)

As far as I'm concerened all of that is theory. No one can prove god,
jesus, heaven, hell, souls and satan even exist. You just have to talk
to these idiots in a language they understand.

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As far as I'm concerened all of that is theory. No one can prove god,
jesus, heaven, hell, souls and satan even exist. You just have to talk
to these idiots in a language they understand.

I exist.

Buddy

A guy claiming to be Jesus on rec.bicycles.racing is way creepier than
a guy that calls himself Mr. Creepy.

You need help mister.

MR_CREEPY said:

As far as I'm concerened all of that is theory.

I do not believe the word "theory" means what you believe it means.
Gravity is a theory. There is strong evidence to believe in it.

There are those who want you to believe the word theory means "some
wacky, made up thing no one in their right mind would believe in" but
those people have a drum to beat.

So watch your use of that word.

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No one can prove god,
jesus, heaven, hell, souls and satan even exist. You just have to talk
to these idiots in a language they understand.

Again, Tim, I was dumbing down my language to where they understand. I
understand well what is really theory and what is not. I know that
fantasy and fairy tale is way more appropiate when discussing religion.

"MR_CREEPY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Again, Tim, I was dumbing down my language to where they understand.
I
understand well what is really theory and what is not. I know that
fantasy and fairy tale is way more appropiate when discussing
religion.

Science and religion are orthogonal concepts. Religion is faith based.
Complaining that it cannot be proved is inappropriate. If you want
proof, stick to science. If you want promises in the hereafter, go
religion.

Phil H

What good is a promise that can't be kept? For me heaven would be
seeing all of the Christians and other theists keep showing up and
seeing how far off the mark they were!

Imagine how bad it must feel to find out all of those Sunday mornings
could have been spent riding a bike, making love or reading the NY
Times while drinking a really strong Illy coffee.

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A guy claiming to be Jesus on rec.bicycles.racing is way creepier than
a guy that calls himself Mr. Creepy.

You need help mister.

Creepy,
Take yourself some down time and check out my film "Dogma." If you want
to see a decent likeness of me go to
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/jsbstash/budchrisdass1.html

Your friend,
Buddy

So you're an idiot that can't think for himself and takes his identity
from fiction. Yep, you're a perfect icon for religion.

"MR_CREEPY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you're an idiot that can't think for himself and takes his identity
from fiction. Yep, you're a perfect icon for religion.

Creepy,

Those, such as yourself, with no sense of humor will not gain admittance
to nirvana. You will return in your next life as something less than human.
How many legs would you prefer, 4, 6 or 8?

Peace,
Buddy J (No relation to Bobby)

"MR_CREEPY" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What good is a promise that can't be kept? For me heaven would be
seeing all of the Christians and other theists keep showing up and
seeing how far off the mark they were!

Imagine how bad it must feel to find out all of those Sunday mornings
could have been spent riding a bike, making love or reading the NY
Times while drinking a really strong Illy coffee.

I ride my bike plenty on Sunday mornings. I'm usually riding too hard to
note much about my surroundings, but when I do look up, I marvel at how
beautiful every natural thing is and, almost universally, how ugly every
man-made thing is. Don't you ever think about how orderly everything is --
aside from those things man screws up? I mean EVERYTHING! You know, the
top physicists, when they attempt to explain the big bang theory and time
and relativity, they all end up talking about God and the unexplainable
order in the universe. The same is true of the best doctors and medical
researchers. The human body is an absolute marvel. Sure, there are
diseases and birth defects, etc. For the most part, these are because of
poor lifestyle choices, man-made environmental influences, etc. I know many
doctors who think the theory of evolution is simply hilarious because it's
so preposterous. You want to talk about a bad, evil religion pushing an
agenda ... that's what the theory of evolution and its proponents are all
about.

Yep, there are many very bad Christians sitting in the pews on Sunday
mornings. There sure are. The funny thing about that is that the Bible
predicted it would be just exactly that way. Many bad things have been done
in the name of Christianity by people who claim the label, but who have no
idea what it really means. And the rest of the world usually judges
Christianity based on these pseudo-Christians who pay lip-service to their
faith. The rest of the world knows nothing about what's really in the
Bible. Most Christians don't know much of anything about what's really in
the Bible. That's a real shame. But that's the way God planned it. "The
path is narrow and few find it."

Mr. Creepy thinks he's wise. I can't imagine what he sees when he looks out
on the order in the world. Maybe he lives in a big city where the works of
the Hand of God are harder to see. I guess, based on his posts, he must
think it's all just one huge, amazing coincidence that all these things came
together so precisely perfectly to support mankind. THAT seems preposterous
and ridiculous to me.

One thing seems certain. Mr. Creepy must be a lousy gambler. He doesn't
know how to hedge his bet.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

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One thing seems certain. Mr. Creepy must be a lousy gambler. He doesn't
know how to hedge his bet.

Come to think of it, I think we should change Mr. Creepy's name to Mr.
Crispy. That may turn out to be more fitting.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

Re: CHRISTIANS ARE IDIOTS AND LIARS.

Hey, somebody had to say it....

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:33:25 -0400, "psycholist" <[email hidden]>

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I guess, based on his posts, he must
think it's all just one huge, amazing coincidence that all these things came
together so precisely perfectly to support mankind. THAT seems preposterous
and ridiculous to me.

One thing seems certain. Mr. Creepy must be a lousy gambler. He doesn't
know how to hedge his bet.

Last I looked, there is a big jump from the one to having to be a
Christian. There are other options, thank God...

And exactly how does one hedge their bets in believing? Like not
believe all week long and come to church and drop money in the plate?
Does that actually work? Inquiring minds want to know. And me too.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Why would anyone think that god would care about them, a football team,
a nation if god can't be bothered to come down and stop the Holocaust
or any one of the genocides that have occurred in the last 100 years?

If there is a god it would be a god for the entire universe, all of the
billions of galaxies and billions of stars within them.

It would also be a damn cruel god that kept sending his one and only
son to those trillions of places to have him tortured, ridiculed and
crucified.

But then again, that is the christian god.