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  1. From: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/story.jsp?story=635101
    or: http://tinyurl.com/7mqdc

    "The secret of the seemingly flimsy wire wheel is that all its spokes
    are in tension. Electroplating steel spokes puts a compressive stress
    into their surface, dangerously shortening their fatigue life. No
    self-respecting scrutineer at a race meet would allow a car with plated
    wire wheels out on to the track, but people continued to demand them.
    On the whole, it was one more reason why the wire-spoked wheel has
    disappeared from modern cars."

    Is this similar to the anodizing problem -- I've never read that
    anodizing introduces 'compressive stress'. If it is a separate
    phenomenon, does the 'crazing/cracking' problem also occur with
    chrome-plating?

    Many steel bikes have chromed elements of the frame -- is this A Bad
    Idea fatigue-wise? Chrome-plated areas are usually situated at the
    areas that most often fail: dropoouts, fork crown, lugs etc.

    Thomas Hood

  2. Quoted message said:

    From: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/story.jsp?story=635101
    or: http://tinyurl.com/7mqdc

    "The secret of the seemingly flimsy wire wheel is that all its spokes
    are in tension. Electroplating steel spokes puts a compressive stress
    into their surface, dangerously shortening their fatigue life. "

    Where *do* these things start?

    Quoted message said:

    "... No
    self-respecting scrutineer at a race meet would allow a car with plated
    wire wheels out on to the track, but people continued to demand them.
    On the whole, it was one more reason why the wire-spoked wheel has
    disappeared from modern cars."

    Manure. Wire-spoked wheels vanished from the car market because they
    were a royal pain in the neck, seldom worked well as tubeless units,
    were much more expensive, and were *heavier* than conventional wheels
    in automotive applications. Yes, there is still a fashion-driven
    demand for them, but it's happily quite small, and is serviced by a
    few specialty makers who demand princely sums for what are often
    inferior products. (This same observation applies to a large portion
    of the overall aftermarket wheels available, for that matter.)

    Quoted message said:

    Is this similar to the anodizing problem -- I've never read that
    anodizing introduces 'compressive stress'. If it is a separate
    phenomenon, does the 'crazing/cracking' problem also occur with
    chrome-plating?

    First, the alleged "compressive stress" had no bearing on fatigue
    failures. The surface polishing and chemical etching that precedes
    the deposition portion of the plating process can be a problem, in
    that it creates surface stress risers which hasten failure. (I recall
    seeing this explicitly cited years ago, but I also seem to recall that
    it was stated that the reason factory-supplied spoked wheels weren't
    chromed had to do with the difficulty of making such a wheel durable
    due to other issues...not the least of which was that the chrome
    tended to peel from the spokes, leaving nasty sharp edges.)

    Second, anodizing's effects do not introduce any stress, but they may
    introduce stress *risers*; places where the metal-to-hydroxide
    conversion process accentuates flaws in the material. Anodizing
    effectively removes metal. In an application which has already been
    engineered too slose to the limits of the material, the additional
    loss of thickness due to the conversion may be critical, as is
    apparently part of the problem with certain infamous Mavic rims.

    Quoted message said:

    Many steel bikes have chromed elements of the frame -- is this A Bad
    Idea fatigue-wise?

    No.

    Quoted message said:

    Chrome-plated areas are usually situated at the
    areas that most often fail: dropoouts, fork crown, lugs etc.

    It's only an issue in that a higher clamping force may be required in
    order to keep a wheel from slipping in the dropouts when chorome
    plating is present. Chroming has no significant drawbacks for a frame
    otherwise.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  3. Werehatrack said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/story.jsp?story=635101
    or: http://tinyurl.com/7mqdc

    "The secret of the seemingly flimsy wire wheel is that all its spokes
    are in tension. Electroplating steel spokes puts a compressive stress
    into their surface, dangerously shortening their fatigue life. "

    Where *do* these things start?

    Quoted message said:

    "... No
    self-respecting scrutineer at a race meet would allow a car with plated
    wire wheels out on to the track, but people continued to demand them.
    On the whole, it was one more reason why the wire-spoked wheel has
    disappeared from modern cars."

    Manure. Wire-spoked wheels vanished from the car market because they
    were a royal pain in the neck, seldom worked well as tubeless units,
    were much more expensive, and were *heavier* than conventional wheels
    in automotive applications. Yes, there is still a fashion-driven
    demand for them, but it's happily quite small, and is serviced by a
    few specialty makers who demand princely sums for what are often
    inferior products. (This same observation applies to a large portion
    of the overall aftermarket wheels available, for that matter.)

    I had a sunbeam alpine with wire wheels long ago. No lug nuts, you
    used a mallet to knock the center "spinner" off. Quite stylish.

  4. Werehatrack said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/story.jsp?story=635101
    or: http://tinyurl.com/7mqdc

    "The secret of the seemingly flimsy wire wheel is that all its spokes
    are in tension. Electroplating steel spokes puts a compressive stress
    into their surface, dangerously shortening their fatigue life. "

    Where *do* these things start?

    Built
    Under
    Low-
    Load

    Spokes
    High
    In
    Tension

  5. Quoted message said:

    From: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/story.jsp?story=635101
    or: http://tinyurl.com/7mqdc

    "The secret of the seemingly flimsy wire wheel is that all its spokes
    are in tension. Electroplating steel spokes puts a compressive stress
    into their surface, dangerously shortening their fatigue life. No
    self-respecting scrutineer at a race meet would allow a car with plated
    wire wheels out on to the track, but people continued to demand them.
    On the whole, it was one more reason why the wire-spoked wheel has
    disappeared from modern cars."

    There was the whole hydrogen embrittlement thing too. Much bigger issue.

    Ron

    Quoted message said:

    Is this similar to the anodizing problem -- I've never read that
    anodizing introduces 'compressive stress'. If it is a separate
    phenomenon, does the 'crazing/cracking' problem also occur with
    chrome-plating?

    Many steel bikes have chromed elements of the frame -- is this A Bad
    Idea fatigue-wise? Chrome-plated areas are usually situated at the
    areas that most often fail: dropoouts, fork crown, lugs etc.

    Thomas Hood

  6. Werehatrack said:
    Quoted message said:

    Chrome-plated areas are usually situated at the
    areas that most often fail: dropoouts, fork crown, lugs etc.

    It's only an issue in that a higher clamping force may be required in
    order to keep a wheel from slipping in the dropouts when chorome
    plating is present. Chroming has no significant drawbacks for a


    frame

    Quoted message said:

    otherwise.
    --

    I see stainless steel dropouts are available now -- any drawbacks? SS
    is a poor-heat conductor IIRC -- is this a problem? The dropouts on my
    bike look very tatty as all the paint is long gone and they're quite
    rusty, so I'm considering this or chroming when I get a frame made-up.

    Tom

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