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  1. I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit by a
    car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious weight
    training a few years back which was successful as far as muscle building
    goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the point where it
    pops out regularily.

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could assist me
    in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my own. Thanks in
    advance!

  2. Take The Chip* said:

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could assist me
    in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my own. Thanks in
    advance!

    Tie a 100' rope to your arm, tie the other to a car. Have your wife
    get in the car and floor it.
    Problem solved.

  3. "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit
    by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly
    serious weight training a few years back which was successful as far as
    muscle building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to
    the point where it pops out regularily.

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my
    own. Thanks in advance!

    Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain a
    diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...

    There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder rehab"
    and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and guidelines
    to follow.

    If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by Pavel
    as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health
    routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab routines, just
    things to keep your joints moving freely.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

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    Take The Chip* said:

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could assist
    me
    in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my own. Thanks in
    advance!

    Tie a 100' rope to your arm, tie the other to a car. Have your wife
    get in the car and floor it.
    Problem solved.

    If your skank cretin mother had only used birth control, another problem
    would have never occured.

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    I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit by a
    car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious weight
    training a few years back which was successful as far as muscle building
    goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the point where it
    pops out regularily.

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could assist
    me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my own.
    Thanks in advance!

    Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain a
    diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...

    There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder rehab"
    and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and guidelines to
    follow.

    If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I would
    cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell presses
    instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by Pavel as well,
    see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health routines in
    there but please be aware they are not rehab routines, just things to keep
    your joints moving freely.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior dislocation)
    and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big money) for therapy and
    if that fails, surgery.

  6. "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit
    by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly
    serious weight training a few years back which was successful as far
    as muscle building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder
    joint to the point where it pops out regularily.

    I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on
    my own. Thanks in advance!

    Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...

    There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    rehab" and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and
    guidelines to follow.

    If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    Pavel as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good
    joint-health routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab
    routines, just things to keep your joints moving freely.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    money) for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these chronic
    dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line
    of thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if
    it's only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.

    For weights, I've had good results for myself and for others with a
    simple overhead press. Look up the "Arnold Press" on exrx.net or
    elsewhere and try it with a very light weight, but try it standing and
    one arm at a time. It's a nice movement because it works a lot of
    things at once, and doing it standing and one arm at a time will allow
    your body to find a good groove for each shoulder. The focus should be
    on keeping the shoulder firmly in the socket while pressing - I find
    thinking about pressing both up and down from my elbow works for me in
    this regard. Try it with a very light weight for a few reps and see how
    it makes you feel. Eventually you want to work for both strength and
    flexibility by finishing with the weight directly over your shoulder -
    at the beginning most people press the weight to the side and to the
    front somewhat.

    I do mine with kettlebells but the basic concept is the same.

    The combination of an overhead press and an overhead squat seems a
    pretty complete one to me in terms of both strength and flexibility for
    the shoulder and upper back.

    Take it slow and easy and see what you can accomplish. I'm not a sports
    medicine expert nor a doctor of any kind, but I've shown this exercise
    to quite a few people, including some with shoulder problems, and all
    report liking the movement and feeling it helps.

    Last but not least, I don't know what your insurance situation is, but
    there might be an insurance plan you could get on which would cover the
    cost of the sport medicine specialists if they're recommended by your
    primary physician - I know that's the way mine works, and if your main
    doctor feels the specialist is the only viable route for you, he may be
    able to convince your insurance to pay for it.

    Good luck to you.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  7. Take The Chip* said:

    If your skank cretin mother had only used birth control, another problem
    would have never occured.

    "Skank"??? My mother WAS NOT a skank! My dad was a skank, and my mom
    was a hoe. Get it right next time.

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    >I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit by
    >a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious
    >weight training a few years back which was successful as far as muscle
    >building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the
    >point where it pops out regularily.
    >
    > I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    > traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    > assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my
    > own. Thanks in advance!

    Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain a
    diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...

    There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder rehab"
    and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and guidelines
    to follow.

    If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by Pavel
    as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health
    routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab routines, just
    things to keep your joints moving freely.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big money)
    for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these chronic
    dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line of
    thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if it's
    only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead squats
    and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

  9. "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
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    :
    : "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : news:[email hidden]...
    : > "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    : >> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : >> news:[email hidden]...
    : >>> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : >>> news:ZCrTf.163451$B94.15028@pd7tw3no...
    : >>>>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit
    by
    : >>>>a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious
    : >>>>weight training a few years back which was successful as far as muscle
    : >>>>building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the
    : >>>>point where it pops out regularily.
    : >>>>
    : >>>> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    : >>>> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    : >>>> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my
    : >>>> own. Thanks in advance!
    : >>>
    : >>> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain
    a
    : >>> diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...
    : >>>
    : >>> There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    rehab"
    : >>> and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and guidelines
    : >>> to follow.
    : >>>
    : >>> If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    : >>> would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    : >>> presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    Pavel
    : >>> as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health
    : >>> routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab routines,
    just
    : >>> things to keep your joints moving freely.
    : >>>
    : >>> -S-
    : >>> http://www.kbnj.com
    : >>
    : >>
    : >>
    : >> Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    : >> diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    : >> dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    money)
    : >> for therapy and if that fails, surgery.
    : >
    : > In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    : > problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    : > e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    : > tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these chronic
    : > dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line
    of
    : > thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if
    it's
    : > only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.
    : >
    :
    :
    : Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    squats
    : and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.
    :
    :
    :
    :

    Yes he is. I would start with finding out if you are limited by
    physiological limitation from the accident. Or you have a weakness in the
    rear delt that is allowing your joint to flop around. Get this book "7
    minute rotator cuff solution " search ebay. It helped me.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ranieri' nah said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit by
    >>a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious
    >>weight training a few years back which was successful as far as muscle
    >>building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the
    >>point where it pops out regularily.
    >>
    >> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    >> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    >> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my
    >> own. Thanks in advance!
    >
    > Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain a
    > diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...
    >
    > There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder rehab"
    > and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and guidelines
    > to follow.
    >
    > If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    > would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    > presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by Pavel
    > as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health
    > routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab routines, just
    > things to keep your joints moving freely.
    >
    > -S-
    > http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big money)
    for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these chronic
    dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line of
    thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if it's
    only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead squats
    and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Steve did suggest extremely light resistance, but I still agree with
    this being a dangerous course of rehab. You can't take a joint that has
    a problem because it is too loose and treat it with exercises that are
    designed for a joint that is too tight (which basically is what
    Superjoint is about). The problem is that this joint is too loose and it
    is not likely bing pulled 'out' by other tight muscles. (Jeez Steve! How
    likely is that with a chronic dislocating shoulder caused by trauma??
    Did you not read about the injury?)

    I'd focus on rotator cuff exercises using surgical tubing for the first
    two or three months myself. You are basically trying to strengthen the
    subscapularis and infraspinatus muscles, but doing all the common
    rotator cuff would be okay. (Rotator cuff exercises also strengthen
    teres minor and supraspinatus muscles, which is fine.)

    During the rehab exercise process you'd basically have to try and
    address if the gleno-humeral joint is damaged in the process (ie - pain
    is not good here!) and take great care not to cause damage to either the
    joint or nerves in the joint.

    As in - it would probably be a good idea to see a good physiotherapist.
    You have to increase ROM gradually and you also have to make sure the
    head of the humerus (arm bone) is seated properly in the glenoid fossa.
    Which is why I wouldn't start rehab with an exercise such as overhead
    squats where shoulder flexion is so extreme.

    What you may want to do is again use the tubing and start lifting the
    arm (flexing the shoulder - confusing for sure, but that is what it is
    called) parallel to the ground and then gradually start bringing the arm
    to an overhead position over the course of several months of training.

    You also are going to have to do some work to 'fix' the scapula
    (shoulder blade). Overhead squats do this, but the shoulder flexion is
    too extreme. I'd do something like a rhomboid shrug - sit in a chest
    supported rowing macine and 'shrug' the weight without bending the arms.

    After getting comfortable with this sort of thing (months) I might start
    trying to increase deltoid strength and ROM as Steve suggests.

    --
    Keith

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    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ranieri' nah said:

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >>>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit
    >>>by
    >>>a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly serious
    >>>weight training a few years back which was successful as far as
    >>>muscle
    >>>building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder joint to the
    >>>point where it pops out regularily.
    >>>
    >>> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    >>> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    >>> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on
    >>> my
    >>> own. Thanks in advance!
    >>
    >> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    >> obtain a
    >> diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...
    >>
    >> There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    >> rehab"
    >> and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and
    >> guidelines
    >> to follow.
    >>
    >> If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    >> would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    >> presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    >> Pavel
    >> as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good joint-health
    >> routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab routines,
    >> just
    >> things to keep your joints moving freely.
    >>
    >> -S-
    >> http://www.kbnj.com
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    > diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    > dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    > money)
    > for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these
    chronic
    dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line
    of
    thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if
    it's
    only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    squats
    and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Steve did suggest extremely light resistance, but I still agree with
    this being a dangerous course of rehab. You can't take a joint that has
    a problem because it is too loose and treat it with exercises that are
    designed for a joint that is too tight (which basically is what
    Superjoint is about). The problem is that this joint is too loose and it
    is not likely bing pulled 'out' by other tight muscles. (Jeez Steve! How
    likely is that with a chronic dislocating shoulder caused by trauma??
    Did you not read about the injury?)

    I'd focus on rotator cuff exercises using surgical tubing for the first
    two or three months myself. You are basically trying to strengthen the
    subscapularis and infraspinatus muscles, but doing all the common
    rotator cuff would be okay. (Rotator cuff exercises also strengthen
    teres minor and supraspinatus muscles, which is fine.)

    During the rehab exercise process you'd basically have to try and
    address if the gleno-humeral joint is damaged in the process (ie - pain
    is not good here!) and take great care not to cause damage to either the
    joint or nerves in the joint.

    As in - it would probably be a good idea to see a good physiotherapist.
    You have to increase ROM gradually and you also have to make sure the
    head of the humerus (arm bone) is seated properly in the glenoid fossa.
    Which is why I wouldn't start rehab with an exercise such as overhead
    squats where shoulder flexion is so extreme.

    What you may want to do is again use the tubing and start lifting the
    arm (flexing the shoulder - confusing for sure, but that is what it is
    called) parallel to the ground and then gradually start bringing the arm
    to an overhead position over the course of several months of training.

    You also are going to have to do some work to 'fix' the scapula
    (shoulder blade). Overhead squats do this, but the shoulder flexion is
    too extreme. I'd do something like a rhomboid shrug - sit in a chest
    supported rowing macine and 'shrug' the weight without bending the arms.

    After getting comfortable with this sort of thing (months) I might start
    trying to increase deltoid strength and ROM as Steve suggests.


    You need to excuse Steve in this case. Pavel doesn't specialize in rotator
    cuffs nor do kettlebells have a specific exercise to deal with this

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    > "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got
    >>hit by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some
    >>fairly serious weight training a few years back which was
    >>successful as far as muscle building goes, but caused further
    >>damage to my shoulder joint to the point where it pops out
    >>regularily.
    >>
    >> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    >> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    >> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on
    >> my own. Thanks in advance!
    >
    > Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    > obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However.
    > ...
    >
    > There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    > rehab" and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and
    > guidelines to follow.
    >
    > If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    > would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    > presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    > Pavel as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good
    > joint-health routines in there but please be aware they are not
    > rehab routines, just things to keep your joints moving freely.
    >
    > -S-
    > http://www.kbnj.com

    Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays
    and diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    money) for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to
    weights, e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may
    be that a tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to
    these chronic dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a
    reasonable line of thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of
    movement, even if it's only with a stick or an empty bar, can help
    here.

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    squats and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Have any actual suggestions to the OP or just poking holes in mine?

    What I recommend is what his doctor recommended. I said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment.

    Anything after that, he asked for things he could do on his own. Light
    weights for overhead presses and OHS's are not dangerous exercises and
    are, in fact, therapeutic in some contexts. Typical uses of OHS find a
    stick, not a bar, being held way out in front, something you can't do
    with a weight. Ditto the Arnold press - it ends up being bent elbow and
    off to the front and side, but it's still a useful idea and it can help.

    Don't like my ideas? Let's hear yours.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  13. "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
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    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:ZCrTf.163451$B94.15028@pd7tw3no...
    >>>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got hit
    >>>by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly
    >>>serious weight training a few years back which was successful as far
    >>>as muscle building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder
    >>>joint to the point where it pops out regularily.
    >>>
    >>> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    >>> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    >>> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on my
    >>> own. Thanks in advance!
    >>
    >> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain
    >> a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However. ...
    >>
    >> There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    >> rehab" and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and
    >> guidelines to follow.
    >>
    >> If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    >> would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    >> presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    >> Pavel as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good
    >> joint-health routines in there but please be aware they are not rehab
    >> routines, just things to keep your joints moving freely.
    >>
    >> -S-
    >> http://www.kbnj.com
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays and
    > diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    > dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    > money) for therapy and if that fails, surgery.

    In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to weights,
    e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may be that a
    tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to these chronic
    dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a reasonable line
    of thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of movement, even if
    it's only with a stick or an empty bar, can help here.

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    squats and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Have any actual suggestions to the OP or just poking holes in mine?

    What I recommend is what his doctor recommended. I said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to obtain
    > a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment.

    Anything after that, he asked for things he could do on his own. Light
    weights for overhead presses and OHS's are not dangerous exercises and
    are, in fact, therapeutic in some contexts. Typical uses of OHS find a
    stick, not a bar, being held way out in front, something you can't do with
    a weight. Ditto the Arnold press - it ends up being bent elbow and off to
    the front and side, but it's still a useful idea and it can help.

    Don't like my ideas? Let's hear yours.

    Hobman is right on. Read it.

  14. "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:mYATf.162908$H%4.137278@pd7tw2no...
    >>
    >> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> news:ZCrTf.163451$B94.15028@pd7tw3no...
    >>>>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got
    >>>>hit by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some
    >>>>fairly serious weight training a few years back which was
    >>>>successful as far as muscle building goes, but caused further
    >>>>damage to my shoulder joint to the point where it pops out
    >>>>regularily.
    >>>>
    >>>> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't
    >>>> afford traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if
    >>>> someone could assist me in finding information on therapeutic
    >>>> things I can do on my own. Thanks in advance!
    >>>
    >>> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    >>> obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However.
    >>> ...
    >>>
    >>> There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    >>> rehab" and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try
    >>> and guidelines to follow.
    >>>
    >>> If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing,
    >>> I would cross that off your list - try some light overhead
    >>> dumbbell presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super
    >>> Joints" by Pavel as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots
    >>> of good joint-health routines in there but please be aware they
    >>> are not rehab routines, just things to keep your joints moving
    >>> freely.
    >>>
    >>> -S-
    >>> http://www.kbnj.com
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays
    >> and diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    >> dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    >> money) for therapy and if that fails, surgery.
    >
    > In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up
    > the problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to
    > weights, e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it
    > may be that a tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes
    > you to these chronic dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it
    > seems a reasonable line of thinking to pursue. An overhead
    > squatting type of movement, even if it's only with a stick or an
    > empty bar, can help here.
    >

    Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    squats and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Have any actual suggestions to the OP or just poking holes in mine?

    What I recommend is what his doctor recommended. I said:

    >> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    >> obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment.

    Anything after that, he asked for things he could do on his own.
    Light weights for overhead presses and OHS's are not dangerous
    exercises and are, in fact, therapeutic in some contexts. Typical
    uses of OHS find a stick, not a bar, being held way out in front,
    something you can't do with a weight. Ditto the Arnold press - it
    ends up being bent elbow and off to the front and side, but it's
    still a useful idea and it can help.

    Don't like my ideas? Let's hear yours.

    Hobman is right on. Read it.

    Keith's response sounds right on the money to me. The guy asked for
    suggestions and I gave him mine but I like Keith's better - it is more
    conservative and given the history, being very conservative seems the
    right course of action. I'm just not a very conservative sort of
    fellow. 🙂

    Steve "not a PT nor do I play one on TV" Freides
    http://www.kbnj.com

  15. Thanks very much to everyone for their contribution!

    Jason

    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:mYATf.162908$H%4.137278@pd7tw2no...
    >>>
    >>> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> "Take The Chip*" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:ZCrTf.163451$B94.15028@pd7tw3no...
    >>>>>I have a chronic dislocating shoulder stemming back to when I got
    >>>>>hit by a car while a pedestrian in my youth. I was doing some fairly
    >>>>>serious weight training a few years back which was successful as far
    >>>>>as muscle building goes, but caused further damage to my shoulder
    >>>>>joint to the point where it pops out regularily.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I am living on a very modest income at the moment and can't afford
    >>>>> traditional therapies or surgury. I was wondering if someone could
    >>>>> assist me in finding information on therapeutic things I can do on
    >>>>> my own. Thanks in advance!
    >>>>
    >>>> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    >>>> obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment. However.
    >>>> ...
    >>>>
    >>>> There is plenty to read on the Internet. Try searching "shoulder
    >>>> rehab" and similar expressions. Lots of exercises you can try and
    >>>> guidelines to follow.
    >>>>
    >>>> If your "fairly serious weight training" included bench pressing, I
    >>>> would cross that off your list - try some light overhead dumbbell
    >>>> presses instead. You might look into the book, "Super Joints" by
    >>>> Pavel as well, see http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - lots of good
    >>>> joint-health routines in there but please be aware they are not
    >>>> rehab routines, just things to keep your joints moving freely.
    >>>>
    >>>> -S-
    >>>> http://www.kbnj.com
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for your response. I consulted a shoulder expert for x-rays
    >>> and diagnosis. He confirmed what I already knew (chronic anterior
    >>> dislocation) and suggested sports medicine experts (which cost big
    >>> money) for therapy and if that fails, surgery.
    >>
    >> In your place, I think I'd stick with strategies that tighten up the
    >> problem area in the shoulder, and I'd consider alternatives to
    >> weights, e.g., yoga. I'd also look into flexibility issues - it may
    >> be that a tightness elsewhere around the shoulder predisposes you to
    >> these chronic dislocations. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it seems a
    >> reasonable line of thinking to pursue. An overhead squatting type of
    >> movement, even if it's only with a stick or an empty bar, can help
    >> here.
    >>
    >
    >
    > Chronic anterior dislocation issues and you're recommending overhead
    > squats and Arnold presses? You are a dangerous man, Steve.

    Have any actual suggestions to the OP or just poking holes in mine?

    What I recommend is what his doctor recommended. I wrote:

    >>> Your first step should be a visit with a competent physician to
    >>> obtain a diagnosis and a suggested course of treatment.

    Anything after that, he asked for things he could do on his own. Light
    weights for overhead presses and OHS's are not dangerous exercises and
    are, in fact, therapeutic in some contexts. Typical uses of OHS find a
    stick, not a bar, being held way out in front, something you can't do
    with a weight. Ditto the Arnold press - it ends up being bent elbow and
    off to the front and side, but it's still a useful idea and it can help.

    Don't like my ideas? Let's hear yours.

    Hobman is right on. Read it.

    Keith's response sounds right on the money to me. The guy asked for
    suggestions and I gave him mine but I like Keith's better - it is more
    conservative and given the history, being very conservative seems the
    right course of action. I'm just not a very conservative sort of fellow.
    🙂

    Steve "not a PT nor do I play one on TV" Freides
    http://www.kbnj.com

  16. Take The Chip* said:

    Thanks very much to everyone for their contribution!

    Jason

    You're welcome punk.

  17. You're the punk idiot. I would only need one good shoulder to end your
    existence you pathetic snivelling little coward. All you know how to do is
    be a newsgroup troll and harass people on the internet while hiding behind
    your computer. You probably ring door bells and run away as well.

  18. Take The Chip* said:

    You're the punk idiot. I would only need one good shoulder to end your
    existence you pathetic snivelling little coward. All you know how to do is
    be a newsgroup troll and harass people on the internet while hiding behind
    your computer. You probably ring door bells and run away as well.

    Look Chip, It's only because you are new here, and don't know enough
    to be scared of me, that I give a warning instead of crushing you like
    the pathetic bug you are. I can kick ewveryone heres ass...at once.
    So apologize, and I won't fly down there and kick the living [censored] out
    of you.

  19. Take The Chip* said:

    You're the punk idiot. I would only need one good shoulder to end your
    existence

    Yes, a shoulder to rest your gun on.
    Jamies got a gun <ba boom> Jamies got a gun...

    Quoted message said:

    ou pathetic snivelling little coward. All you know how to do is
    be a newsgroup troll and harass people on the internet while hiding behind
    your computer. You probably ring door bells and run away as well.

    And what is wrong with ringing doorbells and running away? Or my
    favorite, the 'ol "dog [censored] in a paper bag, lit on fire" routine.
    It's hilare man!

  20. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Take The Chip* said:

    You're the punk idiot. I would only need one good shoulder to end your
    existence

    Yes, a shoulder to rest your gun on.
    Jamies got a gun <ba boom> Jamies got a gun...

    Quoted message said:

    ou pathetic snivelling little coward. All you know how to do is
    be a newsgroup troll and harass people on the internet while hiding behind
    your computer. You probably ring door bells and run away as well.

    And what is wrong with ringing doorbells and running away? Or my
    favorite, the 'ol "dog [censored] in a paper bag, lit on fire" routine.
    It's hilare man!

    This [censored] sounds like he's about 13 years old, and with an IQ of around 70

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