Cinnamon

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Today's front page news in Los Angeles: Cinnamon is said to have the cholesterol-lowering effect
of some drugs.

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Not bad ...

George

Would wait for the biochemists to figure out the active ingredient(s).

Could be something already known to lower lipids.

Humbly,

Andrew

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The trouble with that, is the medical people may isolate one main compound perceived to effect some
response, but the whole of the natural product is (usually) greater than the sum of it's parts. The
whole is certainly (usually) better than the individual part isolated to be the main effector. This
has been one of the natural proponents arguments for many years against modernized (the
alternative) medicine.

We understand very little in nature but we persist in taking it apart to improve it.

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Today's front page news in Los Angeles: Cinnamon is said to have the cholesterol-lowering effect
of some drugs.

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Not bad ...

George

Would wait for the biochemists to figure out the active ingredient(s).

Could be something already known to lower lipids.

Humbly,

Andrew

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The trouble with that, is the medical people may isolate one main compound perceived to
effect some response, but the whole of the natural product is (usually) greater than the sum
of it's parts.

As are its potential for side effects and drug interations.

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The whole is certainly (usually) better than the individual part isolated to be the main effector.

Not necessarily.

Take aspirin for example.

You certainly may go back to chewing on willow bark but who know how much aspirin you are
actually getting.

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This has been one of the natural proponents arguments for many years against modernized (the
alternative) medicine.

That's why modern medicine has progressed and alternative medicine has not.

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We understand very little in nature but we persist in taking it apart to improve it.

We understand more now than we did in the past.

Humbly,

Andrew

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I've started adding cinamon to two of my meals. I'll report back after my blood test in a month. I'm
hoping for a lower Hba1c (avg blood glucose). One report cautioned about overdoing the cinamon - you
don't need to eat ounces of it. Natural isn't automatically good, cyanide in peach pits is
"natural."

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The trouble with that, is the medical people may isolate one main compound perceived to effect
some response, but the whole of the natural product is (usually) greater than the sum of it's
parts. The whole is certainly (usually) better than the individual part isolated to be the main
effector. This has been one of the natural proponents arguments for many years against modernized
(the alternative) medicine.

We understand very little in nature but we persist in taking it apart to improve it.

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Today's front page news in Los Angeles: Cinnamon is said to have the cholesterol-lowering
effect of some drugs.

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Not bad ...

George

Would wait for the biochemists to figure out the active ingredient(s).

Could be something already known to lower lipids.

Humbly,

Andrew

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Brad Sheppard said:

I've started adding cinamon to two of my meals. I'll report back after my blood test in a month.
I'm hoping for a lower Hba1c (avg blood glucose). One report cautioned about overdoing the cinamon
- you don't need to eat ounces of it. Natural isn't automatically good, cyanide in peach pits is
"natural."

...and cyanide *will* lower cholesterol.

Humbly,

Andrew

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Brad Sheppard said:

I've started adding cinamon to two of my meals. I'll report back after my blood test in a month.
I'm hoping for a lower Hba1c (avg blood glucose). One report cautioned about overdoing the cinamon
- you don't need to eat ounces of it. Natural isn't automatically good, cyanide in peach pits is
"natural."

...and cyanide *will* lower cholesterol.

Or make it irrelevant.

Bob

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Subject: Re: Cinnamon
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:30 PM Mountain Standard Time
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Today's front page news in Los Angeles: Cinnamon is said to have the cholesterol-lowering effect
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Not bad ...

George

Would wait for the biochemists to figure out the active ingredient(s).

Could be something already known to lower lipids.

ferulic acid .. ?

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I used to smoke cinnamon sticks.
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Today's front page news in Los Angeles: Cinnamon is said to have the cholesterol-lowering effect
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"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to determine whether cinnamon improves blood glucose,
triglyceride, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in people with type 2
diabetes. . . .

RESULTS: After 40 days, . . . cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18-29%),
triglyceride (23-30%), LDL cholesterol (7-27%), and

total

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cholesterol (12-26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in
HDL cholesterol were not significant.

CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or

6

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g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL

cholesterol,

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and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in
the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will

reduce

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risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.

Not bad ...

George

I agree that "natural" is not always good but nature has a way of supplying all the necessary
cofactors that the so-called modern medicine usually lacks.

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I've started adding cinamon to two of my meals. I'll report back after my blood test in a month.
I'm hoping for a lower Hba1c (avg blood glucose). One report cautioned about overdoing the cinamon
- you don't need to eat ounces of it. Natural isn't automatically good, cyanide in peach pits is
"natural."

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The trouble with that, is the medical people may isolate one main

compound

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perceived to effect some response, but the whole of the natural product

is

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(usually) greater than the sum of it's parts. The whole is certainly (usually) better than the
individual part isolated to be the main

effector.

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This has been one of the natural proponents arguments for many years

against

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modernized (the alternative) medicine.

We understand very little in nature but we persist in taking it apart to improve it.

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Would wait for the biochemists to figure out the active ingredient(s).

Could be something already known to lower lipids.

Humbly,

Andrew

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Ear Rings said:

I agree that "natural" is not always good but nature has a way of supplying all the necessary
cofactors that the so-called modern medicine usually lacks.

What is nature's answer to aspirin in terms of cardiac health?

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Hi protein / low carb eating

Less eating

Ginkgo Biloba Genseng Vitamin E Vitamin C lecithin

Depends what you want it to do.

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Ear Rings said:

I agree that "natural" is not always good but nature has a way of

supplying

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all the necessary cofactors that the so-called modern medicine usually lacks.

What is nature's answer to aspirin in terms of cardiac health?

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About adding it to the filter, as you suspect, it does better when mixed with the grind. Also,
spreading it thinly as a ring around the edge of the filter allows the water to flow and still get
the good stuff out, because it is a powder the water quickly soaks it and leaches it. With it alone
in the filter you set up a situation where it quickly turned into a gel uniformly over the filter
and soon was a barrier to water flow. In one report, one of the researchers dipped sticks of it into
his beverage each time he wanted to leach some from it. The latter seems a hit and miss because one
doesn't know about controling amounts etc.

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mark that's a good idea. the only thing is I tried the other day to make cinnamon tea like that and
even a small amount clogs the filter and with my coffee pot had I made it in the pot there would
have been a mess. I guess somehow when you add it in with coffee beans some how it is prevented
from clogging. just becareful if you ever try to make cinnamon tea in a coffee pot. sometimes I
will just put a cinnamon stick in the pot but I wonder if the good stuff is released that way.
thanks for letting me know its water soluble.