Cipollini: Velodrome Racer

In article <[email hidden]>, Ronaldo Jeremiah

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Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

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I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about this,
he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo, and not
so well suited to the IP.

Consider what Cipo is really best at. He can go very hard for 3-6k's and then when his teammate
pulls over he tries to maintain his speed or maybe accelerate a little bit.

-WG

"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

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I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about this,
he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo, and not
so well suited to the IP.

-RJ

Because by being a road racer, he probably can't bench his body weight or Romanian deadlift 2x his
body weight. Therefore he can't get off the start line quickly enough to be a top kilo rider.

Because by being a road racer, he probably can't bench his body weight or Romanian deadlift 2x his
body weight. Therefore he can't get off the start line quickly enough to be a top kilo rider.

Consider this:

Bobby Lea

Height: 6'2"

Weight: 175lbs

Born: October 17, 1983

Residence: Topton, PA

Discipline: Track Endurance

Team: Team Fuji Bikes

By no means a big guy other than tall, oh ya one more thing:

National Kilo Champion

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warren said:

Consider what Cipo is really best at. He can go very hard for 3-6k's

I'm nostalgic for the days when the professional IP was 5km...

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Because by being a road racer, he probably can't bench his body weight or Romanian deadlift 2x his
body weight. Therefore he can't get off the start line quickly enough to be a top kilo rider.

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Consider this:

Bobby Lea

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National Kilo Champion

Consider this, a 1:06 kilo will get you absolutely nothing at the world level, hardly world class
(the top 22 at worlds went under 1:06) Ok Ok so if Lea was on an indoor track he goes what 1:04?,
still doesn't break the top 15 riders. Not taking anything away from Bobby Lea, but 1:04 kilos are
hardly anything to rant about on the world level. Consider this, Aussie Nat'l champ Ben Kersten 1:03
Consider this. Masters world champ 30-34 age group went 1:06

Dave

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Quoted message said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

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I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about this,
he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo, and not
so well suited to the IP.

-RJ

I think Cipo has done the kilo before as a "star appearance" at invitational track meetings when he
was somewhat younger. To perfom the kilo at world track level you need a lot of specialist training
(a lot of weight training for strength for the start) which might not be compatable with his road
program. The IP on the other hand is more compatable with what road riders do - a lot of riders who
compete on the road have also competed in the IP at the top level; Boardman, Ekimov, Moreau, McGee
being the prime examples

Rik O'Shea said:

compatable with what road riders do - a lot of riders who compete on the road have also competed
in the IP at the top level; Boardman, Ekimov, Moreau, McGee being the prime examples

Fausto, too.

Sergio Pisa

Ronaldo Jeremiah said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about this,
he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo, and not
so well suited to the IP.

Match Sprints is what he does in a road race, isn'it it?

Jay Hill said:

Ronaldo Jeremiah said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about
this, he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo,
and not so well suited to the IP.

Match Sprints is what he does in a road race, isn'it it?

Nah - closer to Keirin.

Regards! Stephen

Sergio SERVADIO said:

Rik O'Shea said:

compatable with what road riders do - a lot of riders who compete on the road have also competed
in the IP at the top level; Boardman, Ekimov, Moreau, McGee being the prime examples

Fausto, too.

and Moser

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In article <[email hidden]>, Ronaldo Jeremiah

Quoted message said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at
the Olympics.

cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me wonder why, when he talks about
this, he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be well suited to the kilo,
and not so well suited to the IP.

Consider what Cipo is really best at.

Yeah, thanks for that suggestion Warren. I never would have thought to do that.

He can go very hard for 3-6k's

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and then when his teammate pulls over he tries to maintain his speed or maybe accelerate a
little bit.

-WG

Lots of guys are sitting in the wheels those last 3-6 k's. What Cipo does is not stick his nose in
the wind until the last few hundred meters - kinda like a kilo.

I also think the kilo would suit him better cause it's once and done. You have to ride the pursuit
more than once. I'm clear on the fact that he could do a respectable pursuit, but I think he would
do slightly better at the kilo. I don't think he'd beat the specialists at either one. That's why he
won't do either of them, as we all know.

Carl makes a good point, though - that where he might lose the most to specialists is at the start.
I think his start would probaby be pretty good, but Carl has me thinking...

btw, what's a Romanian deadlift?

-RJ, half-Romanian

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warren said:

Consider what Cipo is really best at. He can go very hard for 3-6k's

Not only does this make more sense but who would have the data (to calculate which event he is
suited to) if the rider and his support team don't? Not some folks on Usenet.

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I'm nostalgic for the days when the professional IP was 5km...

Yeah, me too. It is taking me awhile to get used to all of the changes. None of the Olympics events
are the same for me either.

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I'm nostalgic for the days when the professional IP was 5km...

Yeah, me too. It is taking me awhile to get used to all of the changes. None of the Olympics
events are the same for me either.

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I'm nostalgic for the days when the professional IP was 5km...

Yeah, me too. It is taking me awhile to get used to all of the changes.

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of the Olympics events are the same for me either.

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I can't find fault with any of that logic but I still miss the events (the separation of pros and
amateurs). I would expect pro roadies that want to ride track for an event like the World's should
ba able to compete at the longer distance. That was just how I looked at it. Yes, the way I look at
it is that yes the pros would get smoked at 4K but maybe they could hold their own at 5K. That is
always how I looked at it even if I am wrong so I suppose the strategy of making them ride longer
distance worked! lol I got to hang on to my delusion and hero worship.

What do you think of Cipo? I have no idea how close he woudl come but which event would you think
suits him best? There is no dount in my mind that he is not built like a kilo rider. He looks like a
pursuiter (maybe a little this but he is close).

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In article <[email hidden]>, Ronaldo Jeremiah

Quoted message said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's

saying

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

he'd like to do the IP at the Olympics.

cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

I'm sure in the end this won't happen, but it still makes me

wonder

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

why, when he talks about this, he considers the IP rather than the kilo. I think Cipo would be
well suited to the kilo, and not so

well

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suited to the IP.

Consider what Cipo is really best at. He can go very hard for 3-6k's and then when his teammate
pulls over he tries to maintain his speed

or

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maybe accelerate a little bit.

Do you suppose that was what he was doing at the world championships when he accelerated away from
the pack so fast that when anyone pulled out into the wind they went backwards?

Nick Burns said:

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> I'm nostalgic for the days when the professional IP was 5km...

Yeah, me too. It is taking me awhile to get used to all of the changes.

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of the Olympics events are the same for me either.

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I can't find fault with any of that logic but I still miss the events (the separation of pros and
amateurs). I would expect pro roadies that want to ride track for an event like the World's should
ba able to compete at the longer distance. That was just how I looked at it. Yes, the way I look at
it is that yes the pros would get smoked at 4K but maybe they could hold their own at 5K. That is
always how I looked at it even if I am wrong so I suppose the strategy of making them ride longer
distance worked! lol I got to hang on to my delusion and hero worship.

What do you think of Cipo? I have no idea how close he woudl come but which event would you think
suits him best? There is no dount in my mind that he is not built like a kilo rider. He looks like
a pursuiter (maybe a little this but he is close).

I think he would lose 4 seconds in the first lap of a kilo and at least a second a lap after that. I
also think he's too old for the pursuit - (okay Lehmann is the exception to this, but he's
specialised for 15 years or so) and would struggle to beat 4'30"

As the sprinters would also blow him away in match or Keirin I don't really see where he could go
with this.

Regards! Stephen

Ronaldo Jeremiah said:

Cipollini is once again talking about riding the track. He's saying he'd like to do the IP at the
Olympics.

I don't think he has any chance of cashing success. The only possible good thing is to resuscitate
some interest in track events in our own country.

Sergio Pisa

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What do you think of Cipo? I have no idea how close he woudl come but which event would you think
suits him best? There is no dount in my mind that he is not built like a kilo rider. He looks like
a pursuiter (maybe a little this but he is close).

In a choice of the two, I'd say he'd stand a better chance in the pursuit.

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I think he would lose 4 seconds in the first lap of a kilo and at least a second a lap after that.
I also think he's too old for the pursuit - (okay Lehmann is the exception to this, but he's
specialised for 15 years or so) and would struggle to beat 4'30"

As the sprinters would also blow him away in match or Keirin I don't really see where he could go
with this.

For a kilo I think he would lose at most 1.5 s on the first lap, probably 1 - 1.5 sec for the
remainder compared to the winner. Being 2.5 - 3 seconds behind the winner is borderline
non-world class.

For the pursuit, I think much more speculation is involved. Yes, he was world TTT champ with the
Italian team about 100 years ago, but for a more realistic POV remember he wanted to try to win the
TdF prologue a few years back and wasn't really close.

What really screws everything up is that despite the attention getting aspect of his comments, it is
very seldom that you can take Cipo's prognostications seriously.