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  1. I've added a Magura brake to Marvin the Coker (a standard Coker), I've
    tested it with a short (5 1/2 mile) ride with several hills (not any
    thing -really- steep or long, mind you, but hills) and decided that it's
    defiantly successful 😄 😄. It works smoothly with no apparent grabs
    and all I need do now is to shorten the line to the handle and lengthen
    the line between the slave cylinders.

    What I did was I went to a LBS and got a V-brake mount (a D.N.A. mount,
    but any brand should work) and modified it and the Magura mount. The
    reason I had to modify them was that the arms on the Magura were to
    close to the tire (yep, I’m a Yank - a Connecticut one at that😎 ),
    so I cut two slots in the V-brake mount for them and cut the arms
    shorter so that they would not protrude from the mount. The only work I
    had to do on Marvin the Coker was to drill a hole at the junction of the
    tubes for the V-brake mounting bolt.

    There wasn't much adjustment left on the positioning the angle of the
    slave cylinders - it would have been better all around if the V-brake
    mount were made for a wider tire, then I probably wouldn't have had to
    modifiy it - but it works fine. The only part that my legs touched was
    the hose from the handle to the brakes and that just needs to be
    shortened as it was for the rear wheel of a bike.

    Pictures at 'Coker Brake (link)'
    (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Snoopys-Portfolio)

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    Brian C. Slater
    AKA: Snoopy

    Ok, I am now officially in my normal state of -advanced- confusion.
    Don't try to confuse me, it won't make any difference.

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  2. More.

    The advantages of a Magua over cable operated brakes are:

    1 That it's smoother (better modulated).
    2 You can set it as a drag brake 😎 (if you have the newer handles)
    and not have to have your hand on the lever.
    3 There are no arms that move or stick out.
    4 You don’t need to adjust it after you set it up. 😄

    Cost:

    The V-brake mount cost $29USD new at the LBS and the Magura $30 :eek: on
    eBay.

    Mounting:

    If you look closely at the first and third pictures - Marvin the Coker
    Brake and Marvin the Coker Brake right side - you can see the mounting
    bolt for the V-brake mount at the top of the adapter, that's the only
    mount needed as when the brake is being used it is held against the
    frame (mount brakes on the BACK of the frame so they push on the frame
    instead of pulling on the mounting assembly) and when it's not being
    used there are no forces on it. The mounting bolt goes through the
    frame of Marvin.

    The V-brake mount also came with hose clamps that I took one look at and
    laughed at, although if you didn't want to drill a hole in the frame
    they’d work. I’m glad I didn’t use them because the wheel is not
    centered in the frame, and the clamps would center the brakes.

    The handle and master cylinder are temporarily mounted on one side of a
    GB handle - it's temporary because the Magura itself is broken (one half
    of the thing is broken off, that's why it was cheap - $30 for both front
    and rear brakes on eBay) and because I didn't have any of the mounts
    I've seen in other threads . . . Yet.

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    Brian C. Slater
    AKA: Snoopy

    Ok, I am now officially in my normal state of -advanced- confusion.
    Don't try to confuse me, it won't make any difference.

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  3. Brian - sounds great. Can you post a photo showing the "newer" handle
    that allows use as a drag brake? I'm very interested. What model brake
    are you using? If at all possible can you post some photos showing the
    mounts and everything on your Coker?

    Thanks,
    Nathan

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  4. nathan said:

    *Can you post a photo showing the "newer" handle that allows use as a
    drag brake? I'm very interested. What model brake are you using? If at
    all possible can you post some photos showing the mounts and
    everything on your Coker?*


    HS 33 is the model that can be set as a drag brake
    [image: http://www.magura.com/english/pop/hs33_1_%202002_pop.jpg]
    The red knob can be adjusted so that the brakes are dragging with no
    hands on the brake.

    I have HS 11 - no red knob.🙁

    My pictures are 'here' (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Snoopys-Portfolio)

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    Brian C. Slater
    AKA: Snoopy

    Ok, I am now officially in my normal state of -advanced- confusion.
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  5. I've up-dated the brake on Marvin, the Coker, because U-Turn (Dave
    Stockton) has created, just for me, a very, very nice wheel. You need
    an Airfoil rim if you have a brake on a Coker, the standard rim has
    bumpy welds. Now it's got a beautiful HS 33 -*_red_*- Magura, which
    matches the -*_red_*- seat.

    Note that the brake is mounted on the rear of the frame, many posts
    about brakes mention hitting the brake and/or mount with legs, is this
    why I don't have this problem? Anyway, always mount your brake on the
    rear of the frame; it's structurally better that way

    I've also added some more lights (I ride to work between 11 PM and
    midnight) including a yellow Xenon strobe, note that red -flashing-
    lights are not legal in most places.

    My pictures are 'here'
    (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Snoopys-Portfolio), the ones with the red
    brakes are the new ones, but the mount is still the same.

    Did I mention that the new brakes are -*_RED_*-? :eek:😄

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    Brian C. Slater
    AKA: Snoopy

    Ok, I am now officially in my normal state of -advanced- confusion.
    Don't try to confuse me, it won't make any difference.

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  6. Nice going, Brian!

    Have you tried using your HS-33 as a drag brake? I found a while ago
    that it took quite a few turns to engage it, many more than I thought
    would be acceptable for a good drag brake.

    I need to revisit that impression.

    I have done some investigation into modifying the handle to improve the
    engagement time but haven't yet developed anything that is substantially
    better.

    --
    U-Turn - As long as my feet keep movin'...

    Weep in the dojo... laugh on the battlefield.
    'LiveWire Unicycles' (http://www.livewireunicycles.com)
    'Strongest Coker Wheel in the World'
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/albup39)
    '29er Tire Study' (http://u-turn.unicyclist.com/29erTireStudy/)
    'New York Unicycle Club' (http://www.newyorkunicycle.com)
    -- Dave Stockton
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  7. Dave, how about taking a bolt with a coarser threading than the stock
    lever bolt onto which the red plastic knob is set (which bolt controls
    the plunger depth in the lever), grinding a 4-sided area to stick out
    of the lever into which the red knob can be pressed & glued? That way
    the plunger acts in the same manner only it takes fewer turns to
    activate it. Yes it would require machining of a bolt and the part
    between the bolt and the plunger inside the lever, but it does change
    the rate of the knob actuation.

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  8. unisk8r said:

    Dave, how about taking a bolt with a coarser threading than the stock
    lever bolt onto which the red plastic knob is set (which bolt controls
    the plunger depth in the lever), grinding a 4-sided area to stick out
    of the lever into which the red knob can be pressed & glued? That way
    the plunger acts in the same manner only it takes fewer turns to
    activate it. Yes it would require machining of a bolt and the part
    between the bolt and the plunger inside the lever, but it does change
    the rate of the knob actuation.

    Hey Pete, I actually did that about 3 years ago, but two things: one, I
    had to develop a new insert piece as well, and real life intervened,
    and two, the geometry went away with the 2005s. I used a larger knob
    as well, but it proved to be a little bit of a finger trap. All in all,
    it was a little clumsy.

    Unless you meant the 2005 design?

    --
    U-Turn

    Weep in the dojo... laugh on the battlefield.
    'LiveWire Unicycles' (http://www.livewireunicycles.com)
    'Strongest Coker Wheel in the World'
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/albup39)
    '29er Tire Study' (http://u-turn.unicyclist.com/29erTireStudy/)
    'New York Unicycle Club' (http://www.newyorkunicycle.com)
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