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Sharita B · 2004-01-12T05:31:05+00:00

Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things about it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.

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Sharita B
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #1

Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things about it but some bad and i'd like to know what
others think.

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David Wright
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #2

In article <[email hidden]>,
Sharita B said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things about it but some bad and i'd like to know what
others think.
People who sell it will tell you it's the greatest thing in history.
However, if you research the matter (other than going to web sites that sell the stuff, I mean),
you'll find that most of the claims for CS are unproven, unfounded or flat-out false. For example,
it's never been shown that *drinking* silver can do anything other than turn your skin a permanent
grayish color (if you drink enough of it).
Many commercial CS products saved money during the production stage by not actually including any
silver at all.
Some claims, like "microorganisms cannot become immune to silver" are flat-out false -- examples of
silver-resistant microorganisms are documented. Claims about "kills 650 different kinds of bacteria"
are nonsensical. There are *so* many kinds that 650 is a drop in the bucket.
Silver does have its uses as an antimicrobial, but only in things like burn dressings, or as a
coating on needles and other materials that penetrate the skin.
Save your money, and avoid the risk of turning gray.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Rich Andrews
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #3

"Sharita B" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:s0gMb.69873$cM1.11999372
@twister.nyc.rr.com:
Quoted message said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things about it but some bad and i'd like to know what
others think.
homepages.together.netrose1.html
Doesn't she look good with her skin blue-grey?
r
PS. It is permanent!
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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Peter Moran
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #4

"Sharita B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things about it but some bad and i'd like to know what
others think.
Silver salts (as opposed to colloidal metallic silver) have found extensive use in medicine as a
weak antiseptic, when applied undiluted directly to bacteria. The obstacles to silver products
having any effect in the human body are huge, because of difficulties in absorption of colloidal
particles, dilution effects, the tendency of colloidal particles to become sequestered away in lymph
nodes and the sleen, and the strong binding of any silver ions formed (the only way silver can act
on bacteria) to protein e.g. in the skin.
Not only is collidal silver implausible, but it has never been shown to do anything that cannot be
observed in persons taking a placebo..
Peter Moran

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #5

Please be aware that Mr. David Wright, "knows" only what he reads on the net
about it.
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
People who sell it will tell you it's the greatest thing in history.
However, if you research the matter (other than going to web sites that sell the stuff, I mean),
you'll find that most of the claims for CS are unproven, unfounded or flat-out false. For example,
it's never been shown that *drinking* silver can do anything other than turn your skin a permanent
grayish color (if you drink enough of it).
Many commercial CS products saved money during the production stage by not actually including any
silver at all.
Some claims, like "microorganisms cannot become immune to silver" are flat-out false -- examples
of silver-resistant microorganisms are documented. Claims about "kills 650 different kinds of
bacteria" are nonsensical. There are *so* many kinds that 650 is a drop in the bucket.
Silver does have its uses as an antimicrobial, but only in things like burn dressings, or as a
coating on needles and other materials that penetrate the skin.
Save your money, and avoid the risk of turning gray.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #6

Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt it.
Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and getting
very few infections along the way.
"Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"Sharita B" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:s0gMb.69873$cM1.11999372 @twister.nyc.rr.com:
Quoted message said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
homepages.together.netrose1.html
Doesn't she look good with her skin blue-grey?
r
PS. It is permanent!
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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David Wright
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12 January 2004, 05:31 UTC #7

In article said:
Please be aware that Mr. David Wright, "knows" only what he reads on the net about it.
Thank you for your thorough, well-researched, detailed rebuttal, you anonymous top-posting twit.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Quoted message said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for colds- she uses it for
her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
People who sell it will tell you it's the greatest thing in history.
However, if you research the matter (other than going to web sites that sell the stuff, I mean),
you'll find that most of the claims for CS are unproven, unfounded or flat-out false. For
example, it's never been shown that *drinking* silver can do anything other than turn your skin a
permanent grayish color (if you drink enough of it).
Many commercial CS products saved money during the production stage by not actually including any
silver at all.
Some claims, like "microorganisms cannot become immune to silver" are flat-out false -- examples
of silver-resistant microorganisms are documented. Claims about "kills 650 different kinds of
bacteria" are nonsensical. There are *so* many kinds that 650 is a drop in the bucket.
Silver does have its uses as an antimicrobial, but only in things like burn dressings, or as a
coating on needles and other materials that penetrate the skin.
Save your money, and avoid the risk of turning gray.

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #8

Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things here and
there.
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article said:
n article said:
>Please be aware that Mr. David Wright, "knows" only what he reads on

the net
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>about it.
Quoted message said:
Thank you for your thorough, well-researched, detailed rebuttal, you anonymous top-posting twit.
I happen to agree with that. Have *you* done any independent research into CS ? I think no.
You think wrong. I did quite a bit. I found nothing to indicate that taking colloidal silver will
do anything positive for you.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Rich Andrews
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #9

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt

it.
Whether or not I have seen something personally doesn't alter the facts. Have you seen an atome
being split? Have you seen an electron, photon, or a simpe water molecule?
now go play somewhere else troll.
r
Quoted message said:
Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting
Quoted message said:
very few infections along the way. "Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"Sharita B" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:s0gMb.69873

$cM1.11999372
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
@twister.nyc.rr.com:
Quoted message said:
Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
homepages.together.netrose1.html
Doesn't she look good with her skin blue-grey?
r
PS. It is permanent!
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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Mark Probertjan
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #10

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt it. Some people have been
using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting
Quoted message said:
very few infections along the way.
Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did not get infections?

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #11

Thank you, sir, for addressing the subject.
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article said:
Please be aware that Mr. David Wright, "knows" only what he reads on the

net
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
about it.
Thank you for your thorough, well-researched, detailed rebuttal, you anonymous top-posting twit.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Quoted message said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Sharita B <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
>it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
People who sell it will tell you it's the greatest thing in history.
However, if you research the matter (other than going to web sites that sell the stuff, I
mean), you'll find that most of the claims for CS are unproven, unfounded or flat-out false.
For example, it's never been shown that *drinking* silver can do anything other than turn your
skin a permanent grayish color (if you drink enough of it).
Many commercial CS products saved money during the production stage by not actually including
any silver at all.
Some claims, like "microorganisms cannot become immune to silver" are flat-out false --
examples of silver-resistant microorganisms are documented. Claims about "kills 650 different
kinds of bacteria" are nonsensical. There are *so* many kinds that 650 is a drop in the bucket.
Silver does have its uses as an antimicrobial, but only in things like burn dressings, or as a
coating on needles and other materials that penetrate the skin.
Save your money, and avoid the risk of turning gray.

Report
Mark Probertjan
Archived post

12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #12

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things here and there.
Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit in humans. Please omit
anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll leave some space:
[]
Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #13

So, in your mind I am a troll? Because I ask a question that you avoid answering? Your posting
history screams TROLL! Mr. Andrews. But back to the subject.
Mr. Andrews has NO experience with Colloidal Silver. He thinks that his reading is research. He will
not be able to explain why people that have been using CS for years are STILL not "blue". But,
go ahead Mr. Andrews, tell me how people who have used it are trolls for questioning you. "Rich
Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
Quoted message said:
Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt

it.
Whether or not I have seen something personally doesn't alter the facts. Have you seen an atome
being split? Have you seen an electron, photon, or a simpe water molecule?
now go play somewhere else troll.
r
Quoted message said:
Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting
Quoted message said:
very few infections along the way. "Rich Andrews" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"Sharita B" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:s0gMb.69873

$cM1.11999372
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
@twister.nyc.rr.com:
> Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about
Quoted message said:
> it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
>
>
>
homepages.together.netrose1.html
Doesn't she look good with her skin blue-grey?
r
PS. It is permanent!
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Report
Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #14

I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be up-front
and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate.
You are too easy.
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt

it.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting
Quoted message said:
very few infections along the way.
Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did not

get
Quoted message said:
infections?

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Mdd
Archived post

12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #15

Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official
research".
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things here

and
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
there.
Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit in humans. Please omit
anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll leave some space:
[]
Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.

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Mark Probertjan
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #16

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be up-front and honest , and simply
say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate. You are too easy.
Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is that it exists, and it is
the result of long term use of CS.
together.netrose1.html
quackwatch.orgsilverad.html
asthma.about.comaa081699.htm
tinyurl.comyqr8a
rense.comblueasdf.htm
seercom.comcolloidal silver.html
pdrhealth.comcol 0289.shtml
spl.haxial.netcolloidal silver
canoe.ca010108.html
tcm.health-info.orgcolloidalsilver.htm
Quoted message said:
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I doubt

it.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and

getting
Quoted message said:
very few infections along the way.
Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did not

get
Quoted message said:
infections?

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Mark Probertjan
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #17

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official research".
Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for you, except lighten your
wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal evidence and sales hype. Like I said.
Quoted message said:
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things here

and
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
there.
Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit in humans. Please omit
anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll

leave
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
some space:
[]
Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #18

Ok, so "Facts" do not come from actual experience. Do you happen to know how
much was used and for how long in your "factual" accounting? While you are
at it, how do you know that what you read is factual?
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be

up-front
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate. You are too easy.
Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is

that
Quoted message said:
it exists, and it is the result of long term use of CS.
together.netrose1.html
quackwatch.orgsilverad.html
asthma.about.comaa081699.htm
tinyurl.comyqr8a
rense.comblueasdf.htm
seercom.comcolloidal silver.html

pdrhealth.comcol 0289.shtml
Quoted message said:

spl.haxial.netcolloidal silver
canoe.ca010108.html
tcm.health-info.orgcolloidalsilver.htm
Quoted message said:
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I

doubt
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
it.
Quoted message said:
> Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue, and
getting
> very few infections along the way.
Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did

not
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
get
Quoted message said:
infections?

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Mdd
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #19

That's ok. You stay away from it. You cannot afford it.
How do you know that there is "no" research on it? Do you mean to say that
you cannot find any? You can look further than your internet connection you
know.
Interesting that you think experience is not real. Must be one fine
dream-world that you live in.
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Used it on myself. Don't even start whining that "it's not official research".
Why not? You have no real basis for knowing that it did anything for you, except lighten your
wallet. IOW, there is no research, just anecdotal evidence and sales hype. Like I said.
Quoted message said:
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> Please tell us what research you did, other than read some things

here
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and
Quoted message said:
> there.
Please tell us what research you did that shows that CS has a benefit

in
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
humans. Please omit anything that is even remotely sales hype. I'll

leave
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
some space:
[]
Any room you have left over can be used for doodling.

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Mark Probertjan
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12 January 2004, 23:54 UTC #20

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Ok, so "Facts" do not come from actual experience. Do you happen to know

how
Quoted message said:
much was used and for how long in your "factual" accounting? While you are at it, how do you know
that what you read is factual?
Consistency with other sources and review of Medline citations located with a simple seach for
"argyria colloidal silver."
All scientific sources state that there is no proof that it provides any benefit in humans. The ones
claiming scientific proof do not cite human studies.
I also note that the only ones who hype its usefullness are selling it. That is often a dead
giveaway that the product does not do what the hucksters purport it to do.
Now, let's get back to your total inability to post any real proof whatsoever that it is effective
in humans. you seem to be avoiding this like it has something icky about it.
Just do not use anecdotes, testiMOANials, or sales hype.
Quoted message said:
"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
I understand now. You have not seen any such people. You could be

up-front
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and honest , and simply say so, but you attempt to deflect the debate. You are too easy.
Whether I have ever seen anyone with Argyria isiirrelevant. The fact is

that
Quoted message said:
it exists, and it is the result of long term use of CS.
together.netrose1.html
quackwatch.orgsilverad.html
asthma.about.comaa081699.htm
tinyurl.comyqr8a
rense.comblueasdf.htm
seercom.comcolloidal silver.html

pdrhealth.comcol 0289.shtml
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

spl.haxial.netcolloidal silver
canoe.ca010108.html
tcm.health-info.orgcolloidalsilver.htm
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"Mark ProbertJanuary 12, 2004" <[email hidden]>

wrote
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Quoted message said:
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>
> "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> > Dear Mr. Andrews, Have you ever seen a person "blue" from it? I

doubt
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Quoted message said:
it.
> > Some people have been using it for years, without turning blue,

and
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Quoted message said:
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> getting
> > very few infections along the way.
>
> Have you ever seen the backside of the moon?
>
> Now, how do you know that taking the CS was the reason why they did

not
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
get
> infections?
>
>
>

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