Compressed Air Fillers for Tires - Help Request !!!!

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
you're looking for, you can browse through
http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear gloves
at least the first time you use it.

/hall

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hall said:

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
some and any recommendations on quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
you're looking for, you can browse through
http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear
gloves at least the first time you use it.

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case, so the cold
isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a whole slew of them here:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/subcategory.cfm?Cat_ID=18&Sub_ID=4362

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus, every time you
get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Matt O.

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hall said:

Gunny Bunny said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
some and any recommendations on quality.

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
you're looking for, you can browse through
http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear
gloves at least the first time you use it.

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case, so

the cold

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isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a whole slew of them

here:

Quoted message said:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/subcategory.cfm?Cat_ID=18&Sub_ID=4362

Quoted message said:

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus, every time

you

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get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Matt O.

I have a portable pump, but CO2 would be faster when with fellow riders !

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan Key set in my
saddle post bag, it looks like there might be some better quality one's
available with more features....recommendations 🙂

Thank you

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok. Be sure to
get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use
with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
my bikes:
http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innovations_ultraflate_ih.htm

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see link:
http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_brothers_micra-17_multi-Tool.htm

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers, spoke
wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Matt O'Toole said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
some and any recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
you're looking for, you can browse through

http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of
these gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you
wear gloves at least the first time you use it.

Quoted message said:

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case,
so the cold isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a
whole slew of them here:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/subcategory.cfm?Cat_ID=18&Sub_ID=4362

Quoted message said:

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,
every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines
Rd. beyond Mt Hamilton, where there is nothing, not even a useful cell
phone signal.

http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/hamcam/

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

(Jeff Starr) said:

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thank you

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok. Be sure to
get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use
with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
my bikes:
http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innovations_ultraflate_ih.htm

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see link:
http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_brothers_micra-17_multi-Tool.htm

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers, spoke
wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

Life is Good!
Jeff

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
the tire was finally topped off with co2 which took 2 secs....I had
never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also... Bob

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Matt O'Toole writes:

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Quoted message said:

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,
every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines
Rd. beyond Mt Hamilton, where there is nothing, not even a useful cell
phone signal.

http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/hamcam/

Very pretty country! I miss California, but my part has been almost completely
paved over. Nothing left to miss...

Littering on road and trail really bugs me. I see it more often on the road --
CO2 cartridges and tubes, and energy bar wrappers. There's no excuse for this.
If you carried it out there, you can carry it back.

In the old days of mountain bike racing, a self-contained, carry-in, carry-out
rule was the norm. Seeing racers finishing on bare rims, with tires and tubes
slung over a shoulder, reinforced the no-litter philosophy. Sadly, this has
given way to "dirt criterium" style racing, with support crews and a throwaway
attitude, racers being too important to deal with such trivial nonsense as not
littering.

Matt O.

Bob Broeking said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link
to some and any recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are OK. Be sure
to get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for
use with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag,
on both my bikes:

http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innovations_ultraflate_ih.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
link:

http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_brothers_micra-17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

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It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had
never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also...

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days and
these speak for the miserable physical condition of many bicyclists
who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala
Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero
frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless
mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x easier to
pump except that they have no stroke either.

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for their
lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part
of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca Impero. It
is what moved me to design the concentric two stage pump that can fill
a tire in ten strokes. The drawings of which have been offered to any
machinist interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

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Bob Broeking said:

Quoted message said:

> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link
> to some and any recommendations on quality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are OK. Be sure
to get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for
use with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag,
on both my bikes:

http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innovations_ultraflate_ih.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
link:

http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_brothers_micra-17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after trying to fix
a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain tool. It took too much
effort to turn the handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool itself,
to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain. I also like the Park's
second fin for loosening tight links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and
forth, but a chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
minimalism gone amok.

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more effort to
drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is
probably fine.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had
never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also...

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days and
these speak for the miserable physical condition of many bicyclists
who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala
Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero
frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless
mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x easier to
pump except that they have no stroke either.

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for their
lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part
of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca Impero. It
is what moved me to design the concentric two stage pump that can fill
a tire in ten strokes. The drawings of which have been offered to any
machinist interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy ones. How some of these
companies can take people's money for the [censored] they sell is beyond me. I
recommend a Zefal HPX, if it fits on your bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can carry
a good pump.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
> link:

http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_brothers_micra-17_multi-Tool.htm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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> It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
> spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

Quoted message said:

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after
trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain
tool. It took too much effort to turn the handle. The handle is
too short, and so is the tool itself, to get any leverage. It
worked, but it was a pain. I also like the Park's second fin for
loosening tight links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and forth,
but a chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
minimalism gone amok.

That seems to be a common experience but before taking it on the road,
the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I gave it a dab of 90w
gear lube and turned it all the way in and back out. It saved my day
when I was on Gazos Creek (Big Basin State Park, closed to motor
traffic) road and got a derailleur stick in the chain. By removing a
section of chain, I could ride with that fixed length in 50-15 and
46-21 gears (vertical dropouts), just fine to get home from Pescadero,
a local coastal community. The derailleur was fatally busticated.

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Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more effort to
drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is
probably fine.

I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs 30 gears?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and
then the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2
secs....I had never considered it before but I may go to CO2
also...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days
and these speak for the miserable physical condition of many
bicyclists who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio
brakes ala Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a
Silca Impero frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly
useless mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that
are 4x easier to pump except that they have no stroke either.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for
their lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized
device. Part of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with
latex tubes was the ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi
with a Silca Impero. That is what moved me to design the
concentric two stage pump that can fill a tire in ten strokes. The
drawings of this pump have been offered to any machinist interested
in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

Quoted message said:

Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy ones. How
some of these companies can take people's money for the [censored] they
sell is beyond me. I recommend a Zefal HPX, if it fits on your
bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can carry a good pump.

They can sell these pumps because people don't use them, so they never
know what junk they are carrying. They rely on their cell phones or
someone else to come along and pump. I have pumped enough of them.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

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That seems to be a common experience but before taking it on the road,
the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I gave it a dab of 90w
gear lube and turned it all the way in and back out.

I oiled mine too, but it didn't help enough. It works OK with a PC-48 chain,
but the latest generation are really peened good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more
effort to drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool
like the Ritchey is probably fine.

I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs 30 gears?

Me?

However, I appreciate your desire for simplicity, reliability, and
field-repairability.

Matt O.

Bob said:

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
the tire was finally topped off with co2 which took 2 secs....I had
never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also... Bob

Or you could get an HPX - no need for "much fussing" with one.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

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Matt O'Toole said:

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,

A CO2 inflator _and_ a pump are complementary items. A combo like
the Innovations Slim Jim IH or their Second Wind is reasonable if
you intend to rely solely on CO2 with a pump only for emergencies.
Otherwise, a quality frame-fit pump can accompany any good CO2
inflator.

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every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Yikes! You're spending $1 per cartridge? That's a lot! Even if you
only want to buy a few at a time, that's too much. A quick froogle
search reveals a 15-pack of 12 gram cartridges for $9, or a 25-pack
for $16.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:02:03 GMT, [email hidden]

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Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?

For those willing to blow a half a dollar for each flat tire, it's
nice to spend less time pumping and more time riding.

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Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines

Assuming you're talking about CO2 cartridge litter, how's that any
different from leaving a dead tube or a power bar wrapper? Only
jerks litter; the rest of us pack the garbage where it belongs.
--
Rick Onanian

Jobst said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:21:26 GMT, "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after trying to fix
a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain tool. It took too much
effort to turn the handle.

I have a couple inexpensive mini-tools that include a chain tool,
and the chain tool is operated [quite easily] by an allen wrench.
--
Rick Onanian

"Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

if you're not careful about replacing the tube & tire, the rapid
inflation can cause bead seating problems. the slower inflation rate
of a hand pump can be an advantage.
i'd bring an Superflate on long rides but always rode w/ a HPX. i
didn't want to screw around w/ a flat at the end of long ride.
also, i think the tube leaks CO faster then air. after using a CO,
i have to top off the tire the next day. is this scientifically true?
false?

Quoted message said:

In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan Key set in my
saddle post bag, it looks like there might be some better quality one's
available with more features....recommendations 🙂

the only mini-tool i found to be worthy of carrying is the
"Cool-Tool". most have stuff you can't use because it won't fit in
the nooks & crannies.
the only folding Allen key type i'll bring is Cannondale's.
i'm careful about what i install, sometimes changing the nuts &
bolts that came w/ it so i could deal w/ it on the road.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after trying
to fix
a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain tool. It took too much
effort to turn the handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool
itself,
to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain. I also like the Park's
second fin for loosening tight links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and
forth, but a chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
minimalism gone amok.

while i agree the CPR-9 is [censored]:
<http://www.gripmaster.com.au/index1.htm>