Consecutive running days.

Only if you ran it over 9 days.
:-)

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"Bill Roberto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon

would

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consistent training at low mileage make up for high mileage training?

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"Bill Roberto"
1) Does anyone else run this way?

Possibly... who knows?

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2) If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon would
consistent training at low mileage make up for high mileage training?

Not unless you plan on running three miles of the marathon, coming back the next day and running
three more.... etc.

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"Bill Roberto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

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I have been on a running kick for going on 3 years. I am 43, and have lifted weights, boxed,
surfed, swam, ran, and all kinds of other physical fitness nut stuff pretty much my whole life.
Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run. My time is 22:00 at
my fastest and
24:00 when I relax. I usually average between 23:00 and 23:30. I started running 7 days in a row,
take a day or two off then do another 7 days. After a while I started doing 14 days in a row
with a day or two off. Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days
today. I have two questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way? and 2) If I were to run 3 miles
a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon would consistent training at
low mileage make up for high mileage training?

NO. And three miles a day is not enough to run a good 10K. Running 20 days in a row is just not
a big deal at all, especially at three miles. Many runners run over 10 miles a day way over a
year. Doctor Jack Foster ran into his 40's without missing a day, including the day he had
appendicitis surgery.

In article said:

I have been on a running kick for going on 3 years. I am 43, and have lifted weights, boxed,
surfed, swam, ran, and all kinds of other physical fitness nut stuff pretty much my whole life.
Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run. My time is 22:00 at
my fastest and
24:00 when I relax.

If a 7:20 pace is an all-out effort for 5k, training at an 8:00 pace defies conventional wisdom
(which would point to a pace of about 8:50-9:20 or so)

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I usually average between 23:00 and 23:30. I started running 7 days in a row, take a day or two
off then do another 7 days. After a while I started doing 14 days in a row with a day or two off.
Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days today.

Whatever that's working on, it's not "consistency".

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I have two questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way?

I think a lot of runners (most beginners, for example) adopt the following training style -- I
think the folliowing is worth reflecting on even though it may not be completely applicable to what
you're doing --

They have "their route" and they run it every day, at either race pace or very close to race pace.
They frequently run "PRs" on their training route, and lack a proper mental separation between base
training, speed work, and racing. In fact some may not even enter races, or perform speed work --
they sort of jumble those three things all into their training schedules. The fact that they don't
include longer runs in their schedule gives them a poor perspective of what a proper training pace
is -- because it's relatively easy to hold ones 15k pace for a 5k run, wheras one quickly realises
that a 15k pace is actually pretty fast if the schedule includes runs of that distance.

I like to measure consistency in months then years, not in days. Taking a day off, a week off, or
even a month off does not hurt in the big scheme of things.

Variation over the course of 1 week is a good thing, and you will see that almost any training
program that works with a milage of 50mpw or less includes rest days, and any training program
advanced enough to amount to 20mpw or more will include at least one long run a week.

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and 2) If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off,

The idea of alternating streaking with long rest periods is interesting, it's a sort of
overreach/compensation idea. But it's also risky.

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then run a marathon would consistent training

You're confusing lack of proper rest with "consistency". "Consistency" is (IMO) when you maintain a
reasonable base of training over a period of several consecutive months.

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at low mileage

IMO, "consistent training at low milage" is a euphemism for "consistently poor training".

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make up for high mileage training?

Important disclaimer -- I haven't run a marathon. I've run races up to 10 miles. So I'm going to
talk about what I know about running longer races, 10k - 10 miles. So I'll talk in context of
preparing for these.

Milage is a foundation, a base on which you build other sorts of training. The different races are
like different types of houses. You need a foundation to build any race performance, whether it's a
marathon or a 5k. Once you lay down the foundation, you add on the rest of the stuff -- for a 1 mile
race, this consists mostly of speed work whereas for a marathon, the long run is primary. For the 5k
to 10 mile runs I usually compete in, you need a blend of long runs and speed work.

The long run in itself makes up a lot of milage, but it deserves to be considered separately from
base training -- it is more demanding than base training (especially if you're preparing for a
marathon, and logging 20 milers), and it has additional physiological benefits to an "ordinary" base
run, which will usually be 30min to 1hr for most runners.

So the short answer to your question is that you can't really compensate for not having a training
foundation (because other training like speed work and long runs will pay dividends conditionally on
that foundation).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Bill Roberto said:

I have been on a running kick for going on 3 years. I am 43, and have lifted weights, boxed,
surfed, swam, ran, and all kinds of other physical fitness nut stuff pretty much my whole life.
Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run. My time is 22:00 at
my fastest and
24:00 when I relax. I usually average between 23:00 and 23:30. I started running 7 days in a row,
take a day or two off then do another 7 days. After a while I started doing 14 days in a row
with a day or two off. Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days
today. I have two questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way? and 2) If I were to run 3

There was a post a few (months?) back about a guy who hasn't missed a day of running in some large
number of years. About 5 miles per day, every day. Pretty cool. Not for me, but it makes him
happy, so cool.

I occasionally play with the number of consecutive days I can run, but not as a normal way of
training - more just to learn at what point I break. I've never run more than about 10 days in a
row, and almost never do more than 6, however. With a decent mix of triathlon training, I can about
three weeks without a break from serious workouts, but start to get achy, grumpy, and tired and near
injury after that. This is on a much higher diet of training than you're discussing, however - 3
miles per day would be pretty easy to sustain.

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miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon would consistent training
at low mileage make up for high mileage training?

No. It would be worse in a whole host of ways. There are vastly better ways to allocate 21 miles per
week if you want to run a marathon. Throw in cross-training on the days off, scale that back to 3
days a week, and you could probably approach a decent half-marathon. But there are even better ways
to allocate 40 miles per week if you want to run a decent marathon, and ways to allocate 60+ miles
per week if you want to start running a good marathon.

There are exceptions to this, but I wouldn't count on being one of them unless you have prior
experience that suggests you can go run a marathon on near zero training.

-Dave

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Dont take advice from treadmill joggers.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article said:

I have been on a running kick for going on 3 years. I am 43, and have lifted weights, boxed,
surfed, swam, ran, and all kinds of other physical fitness nut stuff pretty much my whole life.
Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run. My time is 22:00 at
my fastest and
24:00 when I relax.

If a 7:20 pace is an all-out effort for 5k, training at an 8:00 pace defies conventional wisdom
(which would point to a pace of about 8:50-9:20 or so)

Quoted message said:

I usually average between 23:00 and 23:30. I started running 7 days in a row, take a day or two
off then do another 7 days. After a while I started doing 14 days in a row with a day or two off.
Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days today.

Whatever that's working on, it's not "consistency".

Quoted message said:

I have two questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way?

I think a lot of runners (most beginners, for example) adopt the following training style -- I
think the folliowing is worth reflecting on even though it may not be completely applicable to what
you're doing --

They have "their route" and they run it every day, at either race pace or very close to race pace.
They frequently run "PRs" on their training route, and lack a proper mental separation between base
training, speed work, and racing. In fact some may not even enter races, or perform speed work --
they sort of jumble those three things all into their training schedules. The fact that they don't
include longer runs in their schedule gives them a poor perspective of what a proper training pace
is -- because it's relatively easy to hold ones 15k pace for a 5k run, wheras one quickly realises
that a 15k pace is actually pretty fast if the schedule includes runs of that distance.

I like to measure consistency in months then years, not in days. Taking a day off, a week off, or
even a month off does not hurt in the big scheme of things.

Variation over the course of 1 week is a good thing, and you will see that almost any training
program that works with a milage of 50mpw or less includes rest days, and any training program
advanced enough to amount to 20mpw or more will include at least one long run a week.

Quoted message said:

and 2) If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off,

The idea of alternating streaking with long rest periods is interesting, it's a sort of
overreach/compensation idea. But it's also risky.

Quoted message said:

then run a marathon would consistent training

You're confusing lack of proper rest with "consistency". "Consistency" is (IMO) when you maintain a
reasonable base of training over a period of several consecutive months.

Quoted message said:

at low mileage

IMO, "consistent training at low milage" is a euphemism for "consistently poor training".

Quoted message said:

make up for high mileage training?

Important disclaimer -- I haven't run a marathon. I've run races up to 10 miles. So I'm going to
talk about what I know about running longer races, 10k - 10 miles. So I'll talk in context of
preparing for these.

Milage is a foundation, a base on which you build other sorts of training. The different races are
like different types of houses. You need a foundation to build any race performance, whether it's a
marathon or a 5k. Once you lay down the foundation, you add on the rest of the stuff -- for a 1
mile race, this consists mostly of speed work whereas for a marathon, the long run is primary. For
the 5k to 10 mile runs I usually compete in, you need a blend of long runs and speed work.

The long run in itself makes up a lot of milage, but it deserves to be considered separately from
base training -- it is more demanding than base training (especially if you're preparing for a
marathon, and logging 20 milers), and it has additional physiological benefits to an "ordinary"
base run, which will usually be 30min to 1hr for most runners.

So the short answer to your question is that you can't really compensate for not having a training
foundation (because other training like speed work and long runs will pay dividends conditionally
on that foundation).

Cheers,

Dont take advice from treadmill joggers.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article said:

I have been on a running kick for going on 3 years. I am 43, and have lifted weights, boxed,
surfed, swam, ran, and all kinds of other physical fitness nut stuff pretty much my whole life.
Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run. My time is 22:00 at
my fastest and
24:00 when I relax.

If a 7:20 pace is an all-out effort for 5k, training at an 8:00 pace defies conventional wisdom
(which would point to a pace of about 8:50-9:20 or so)

Quoted message said:

I usually average between 23:00 and 23:30. I started running 7 days in a row, take a day or two
off then do another 7 days. After a while I started doing 14 days in a row with a day or two off.
Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days today.

Whatever that's working on, it's not "consistency".

Quoted message said:

I have two questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way?

I think a lot of runners (most beginners, for example) adopt the following training style -- I
think the folliowing is worth reflecting on even though it may not be completely applicable to what
you're doing --

They have "their route" and they run it every day, at either race pace or very close to race pace.
They frequently run "PRs" on their training route, and lack a proper mental separation between base
training, speed work, and racing. In fact some may not even enter races, or perform speed work --
they sort of jumble those three things all into their training schedules. The fact that they don't
include longer runs in their schedule gives them a poor perspective of what a proper training pace
is -- because it's relatively easy to hold ones 15k pace for a 5k run, wheras one quickly realises
that a 15k pace is actually pretty fast if the schedule includes runs of that distance.

I like to measure consistency in months then years, not in days. Taking a day off, a week off, or
even a month off does not hurt in the big scheme of things.

Variation over the course of 1 week is a good thing, and you will see that almost any training
program that works with a milage of 50mpw or less includes rest days, and any training program
advanced enough to amount to 20mpw or more will include at least one long run a week.

Quoted message said:

and 2) If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off,

The idea of alternating streaking with long rest periods is interesting, it's a sort of
overreach/compensation idea. But it's also risky.

Quoted message said:

then run a marathon would consistent training

You're confusing lack of proper rest with "consistency". "Consistency" is (IMO) when you maintain a
reasonable base of training over a period of several consecutive months.

Quoted message said:

at low mileage

IMO, "consistent training at low milage" is a euphemism for "consistently poor training".

Quoted message said:

make up for high mileage training?

Important disclaimer -- I haven't run a marathon. I've run races up to 10 miles. So I'm going to
talk about what I know about running longer races, 10k - 10 miles. So I'll talk in context of
preparing for these.

Milage is a foundation, a base on which you build other sorts of training. The different races are
like different types of houses. You need a foundation to build any race performance, whether it's a
marathon or a 5k. Once you lay down the foundation, you add on the rest of the stuff -- for a 1
mile race, this consists mostly of speed work whereas for a marathon, the long run is primary. For
the 5k to 10 mile runs I usually compete in, you need a blend of long runs and speed work.

The long run in itself makes up a lot of milage, but it deserves to be considered separately from
base training -- it is more demanding than base training (especially if you're preparing for a
marathon, and logging 20 milers), and it has additional physiological benefits to an "ordinary"
base run, which will usually be 30min to 1hr for most runners.

So the short answer to your question is that you can't really compensate for not having a training
foundation (because other training like speed work and long runs will pay dividends conditionally
on that foundation).

Cheers,

Hi Bill!

Bill Roberto:

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Lately I am testing my consistency. I run 3 miles, the same route every run.

This is not an efficient way of training, but that may of course not be your goal.

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Now I am going to see how many days in a row I can go. I am at 25 days today. I have two
questions: 1) Does anyone else run this way?

Yes. ultramarathonworld.comuw streak.htmOpen ↗

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If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon would
consistent training at low mileage make up for high mileage training?

Are you serious about that? Many Marathon runners train daily. So how could your consistency make up
for anything?

If you want to train for a Marathon with the lowest possible effort, you could possibly reduce your
training to three time a week (I would not recommend that), but long runs (let's say 2.5h at least)
would still be necessary.

Greetings,

Carsten

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consistency, specificity, the long run, variety all important; when you have a great base of
consistent running and then start introducing specificity (realistic race pace - come in the form of
repetitions on road, trails or the dreaded track} improvement is enormous; consistency is so
important; listening to your body; planning where you are going short term and long term goals; the
long run is important; run for time not how fast; alternate hard days with easy days and run with a
friend; complex, yes what works for one does not necessarily work for all but there are principles;
consistency; the long run and specificity of the correct type at the correct time; listening to your
body, all important; we are all experts when we know what works for us.

Perfect! You've condensed volumes of running literature down to one sentence. Well said.

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consistency, specificity, the long run, variety all important; when you have a great base of
consistent running and then start introducing specificity (realistic race pace - come in the form
of repetitions on road, trails or the dreaded track} improvement is enormous; consistency is so
important; listening to your body; planning where you are going short term and long term goals;
the long run is important; run for time not how fast; alternate hard days with easy days and run
with a friend; complex, yes what works for one does not necessarily work for all but there are
principles; consistency; the long run and specificity of the correct type at the correct time;
listening to your body, all important; we are all experts when we know what works for us.

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"Bill Roberto"
1) Does anyone else run this way?

Possibly... who knows?

There have been short articles in Runners World about Streak Runners, iow, runners that run everyday
for long periods of time (ie years).

As others note, you need to at least aternate between long/hard days and short/easy days.

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2) If I were to run 3 miles a day for 20 days in a row, take 5 days off, then run a marathon
would consistent training at low mileage make up for high mileage training?

Not unless you plan on running three miles of the marathon, coming back the next day and running
three more.... etc.

cheers,

Specificity of training is important, especially at the far ends of the running spectrum (sprints
like the mile or 5k versus long distance like the half marathon and beyond). Your training plan
might work for running a 10K, but likely is going to leave you struggling to finish a marathon.

HTH,
Ed