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  1. Yesterday, I was speaking to a bicycle coach who said that the 10sp
    Ultegra crankset and BB could be used on a 9sp setup, and vice versa.

    Sheldon Brown says this: "Note, also that rear derailers do not care
    how many gears you have. You do not need to have a so-called "10-speed"
    derailer to use a 10-speed cassette. This is true of all Shimano
    derailers with the exception of 1996 and earlier (pre-9-speed) Dura-Ace
    units." at http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

    The same article also says "Also, hubs marked "8-speed, 9-speed or
    10-speed will work with any number of sprockets! (Add a 4.5 mm spacer
    before installing a 7-speed cassette on an 8-, 9-, or 10-speed hub.)"

    However, he then says "2004-2006 Dura-Ace 7800 10 speed hubs only
    accept Dura-Ace 10 speed cassettes."

    I've heard that apart from the alloys, Ultegra 10sp is mechanically
    basically the same as Dura Ace 10, so maybe the same applies to
    Ultegra.

    Anyway, it does beg the question, what is the absolute minimum change
    required to move over from 9sp Ultegra to 10sp Ultegra? Since
    various places sell groupset bits one piece at a time, bits could be
    replaced piecemeal as they wear out, rather than all at once so I would
    have to discard otherwise
    perfectly servicable bits.

    Maybe I'm reading the various things wrongly, but would I be right in
    saying that to convert from 9sp to 10sp I would at minimum only need to
    repace the casette, STI shifters and chain? That would suit me fine,
    as my STI shifters are getting to the end of their useful life and the
    others are considered to be "consumables" anyway.

    Travis

  2. Quoted message said:

    Yesterday, I was speaking to a bicycle coach who said that the 10sp
    Ultegra crankset and BB could be used on a 9sp setup, and vice versa.

    Sheldon Brown says this: "Note, also that rear derailers do not care
    how many gears you have. You do not need to have a so-called "10-speed"
    derailer to use a 10-speed cassette. This is true of all Shimano
    derailers with the exception of 1996 and earlier (pre-9-speed) Dura-Ace
    units." at http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

    The same article also says "Also, hubs marked "8-speed, 9-speed or
    10-speed will work with any number of sprockets! (Add a 4.5 mm spacer
    before installing a 7-speed cassette on an 8-, 9-, or 10-speed hub.)"

    However, he then says "2004-2006 Dura-Ace 7800 10 speed hubs only
    accept Dura-Ace 10 speed cassettes."

    I've heard that apart from the alloys, Ultegra 10sp is mechanically
    basically the same as Dura Ace 10, so maybe the same applies to
    Ultegra.

    True except for the rear hub. The DA 10s hub, which will accept shimano
    10s cogsets ONLY, is unique.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, it does beg the question, what is the absolute minimum change
    required to move over from 9sp Ultegra to 10sp Ultegra? Since
    various places sell groupset bits one piece at a time, bits could be
    replaced piecemeal as they wear out, rather than all at once so I would
    have to discard otherwise
    perfectly servicable bits.

    Right lever, cogset and chain...minimum to be '10s' ultegra.

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe I'm reading the various things wrongly, but would I be right in
    saying that to convert from 9sp to 10sp I would at minimum only need to
    repace the casette, STI shifters and chain? That would suit me fine,
    as my STI shifters are getting to the end of their useful life and the
    others are considered to be "consumables" anyway.

    Travis

  3. Quoted message said:

    Yesterday, I was speaking to a bicycle coach who said that the 10sp
    Ultegra crankset and BB could be used on a 9sp setup, and vice versa.

    Sheldon Brown says this: "Note, also that rear derailers do not care
    how many gears you have. You do not need to have a so-called "10-speed"
    derailer to use a 10-speed cassette. This is true of all Shimano
    derailers with the exception of 1996 and earlier (pre-9-speed) Dura-Ace
    units." at http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

    The same article also says "Also, hubs marked "8-speed, 9-speed or
    10-speed will work with any number of sprockets! (Add a 4.5 mm spacer
    before installing a 7-speed cassette on an 8-, 9-, or 10-speed hub.)"

    However, he then says "2004-2006 Dura-Ace 7800 10 speed hubs only
    accept Dura-Ace 10 speed cassettes."

    I've heard that apart from the alloys, Ultegra 10sp is mechanically
    basically the same as Dura Ace 10, so maybe the same applies to
    Ultegra.

    Anyway, it does beg the question, what is the absolute minimum change
    required to move over from 9sp Ultegra to 10sp Ultegra? Since
    various places sell groupset bits one piece at a time, bits could be
    replaced piecemeal as they wear out, rather than all at once so I would
    have to discard otherwise
    perfectly servicable bits.

    Maybe I'm reading the various things wrongly, but would I be right in
    saying that to convert from 9sp to 10sp I would at minimum only need to
    repace the casette, STI shifters and chain? That would suit me fine,
    as my STI shifters are getting to the end of their useful life and the
    others are considered to be "consumables" anyway.

    If this bugs ya, get Campag 10s ERGO levers and any Campag rear
    derailleur, spend the same $ that you will on ultegra STI, cogset and
    chain(or less), and go ride...

    Quoted message said:


    Travis

  4. Travis Morien asked:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what is the absolute minimum change
    required to move over from 9sp Ultegra to 10sp Ultegra? Since
    various places sell groupset bits one piece at a time, bits could be
    replaced piecemeal as they wear out, rather than all at once so I would
    have to discard otherwise
    perfectly servicable bits.

    Peter Chisholm replied:

    Quoted message said:

    Right lever, cogset [sic] and chain...minimum to be '10s' ultegra.

    Peter, Peter, you're usually complete in this sort of thing (even when
    you use a funny made-up word for "cassette"😉 but you forgot the 4th
    essential item:

    Travis will also need new handlebar tape, preferably 10-speed
    compatible handlebar tape.

    Sheldon "Bare Essentials" Brown
    +------------------------------------+
    | Whenever people agree with me |
    | I always feel I must be wrong. |
    | -- Oscar Wilde |
    +------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  5. Quoted message said:

    Travis will also need new handlebar tape, preferably 10-speed
    compatible handlebar tape.

    Why doesn't Harris have any recumbent handlebar tape yet?

  6. bjkeen said:


    Quoted message said:

    Travis will also need new handlebar tape, preferably 10-speed
    compatible handlebar tape.

    Why doesn't Harris have any recumbent handlebar tape yet?

    Dear BJK,

    The cut-throat world of mail-order bicycle parts leads to ruthless
    business decisions that are not immediately obvious to customers.

    Harris Cyclery already loses money stocking the different kinds of
    handlebar tape needed for modern Campagnolo and Shimano shifters.

    Rumor has it that Sheldon may soon stop offering fixed-gear handlebar
    tape.

    The shop hasn't sold tublar handlebar tape for years.

    It's simply impossible to break even if you have to offer handlebar
    tape for both above and below the seat recumbent handlebars.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  7. Quoted message said:


    It's simply impossible to break even if you have to offer handlebar
    tape for both above and below the seat recumbent handlebars.

    "Recumbent Handlebar Tape" my Above Seat Steering! Everyone knows
    recumbent bikes require *grips* to help maintain control at
    extraordinarily high velocities above 20,000 meters per hour. These are
    the latest volley in the recumbent technology war:
    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=20412

    Jeff "Hang On Sloopy" Wills

  8. JeffWills said:
    Quoted message said:


    It's simply impossible to break even if you have to offer handlebar
    tape for both above and below the seat recumbent handlebars.

    "Recumbent Handlebar Tape" my Above Seat Steering! Everyone knows
    recumbent bikes require *grips* to help maintain control at
    extraordinarily high velocities above 20,000 meters per hour. These
    are the latest volley in the recumbent technology war:
    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=20412

    Jeff "Hang On Sloopy" Wills

    Out of stock. Must be lots of nerds out there! :-P

  9. On 25 Jun 2006 20:32:22 -0700, "JeffWills" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    It's simply impossible to break even if you have to offer handlebar
    tape for both above and below the seat recumbent handlebars.

    "Recumbent Handlebar Tape" my Above Seat Steering! Everyone knows
    recumbent bikes require *grips* to help maintain control at
    extraordinarily high velocities above 20,000 meters per hour. These are
    the latest volley in the recumbent technology war:
    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=20412

    Jeff "Hang On Sloopy" Wills

    Dear Jeff,

    Please note that those are "men's grips."

    Here are the "women's grips":

    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=20413

    Both allegedly weigh the same 120 grams.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  10. Quoted message said:

    Travis Morien asked:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what is the absolute minimum change
    required to move over from 9sp Ultegra to 10sp Ultegra? Since
    various places sell groupset bits one piece at a time, bits could be
    replaced piecemeal as they wear out, rather than all at once so I would
    have to discard otherwise
    perfectly servicable bits.

    Peter Chisholm replied:

    Quoted message said:

    Right lever, cogset [sic] and chain...minimum to be '10s' ultegra.

    Peter, Peter, you're usually complete in this sort of thing (even when
    you use a funny made-up word for "cassette"😉 but you forgot the 4th
    essential item:

    Travis will also need new handlebar tape, preferably 10-speed
    compatible handlebar tape.

    Yep, and some way to let those around him know he has come into the
    world of 10s...since just riding around won't make it obvious...maybe a
    t-shirt??

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon "Bare Essentials" Brown
    +------------------------------------+
    | Whenever people agree with me |
    | I always feel I must be wrong. |
    | -- Oscar Wilde |
    +------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

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