Countryside Stewarship Conservation Walks

Trevor said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

Seems to me that a lot of access is now closed because of the many TRO's
put on 'green Lanes' and such-like.

http://www.glass-uk.org/

I know of many Landrover drivers who go out regularly, keeping ways
clear and indeed repairing many ways so everyone can enjoy the
countryside, not just one section of it.

--
Dogpoop

Stand by me.

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Quoted message said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

I just wish all you lot would realise ONCE AND FOR ALL - there is a MAJOR
difference between the unpopulated, unfarmed highlands of Scotland and the
industrialised farmed lowlands of England. However much new labour hates the
countryside, farming in England is an INDUSTRY, still providing the majority
of our food, and the countryside is where it happens. It's no different to
an industrial estate in a big city. The countryside is NOT a theme park for
the exclusive use of city-dwellers.

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Quoted message said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers
under Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly
publicised - the notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

I just wish all you lot would realise ONCE AND FOR ALL - there is a MAJOR
difference between the unpopulated, unfarmed highlands of Scotland and the
industrialised farmed lowlands of England. However much new labour hates
the countryside, farming in England is an INDUSTRY, still providing the
majority of our food, and the countryside is where it happens. It's no
different to an industrial estate in a big city. The countryside is NOT a
theme park for the exclusive use of city-dwellers.

So, what's the difference between the industrialised farmed lowlands of
England
and the industrialised farmed lowlands of Scotland?

Gordon said:

The countryside is NOT a theme park for the exclusive use of
city-dwellers.

Or non-city dwellers. I hear people harping on about townies and city
dwellers all the time, but in my experience it's a false divide. I've
lived in a town for just 6 years of my life a long time ago, the
remaining 30 years have been out in the countryside, but people will
still label me a "townie" if I'm insisting on exercising my rights,
and I'm by no means a RoW fanatic. Out in the countryside, very few
people are actually involved in farming but they like living in the
country so those enjoying countryside pursuits can't be rubber-stamped
as "city folk".

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Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

In message <[email hidden]>, Trevor
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Quoted message said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

No thanks. Not every visitor is as considerate as yourself:-)

I prefer not to rely on the *knowledge* of visitors when it comes to
decisions about crop damage and livestock issues.

Urban fringe farming is already a struggle between public access
ambitions and productive agriculture. Particularly relating to informal
car parking.

If existing rights are not sufficient some form of compensated change
should be considered.

regards

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--
Tim Lamb

Trevor said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

It'sa a bright yellow arrow for heavens sake. Are you colour blind?

WOuld you rather the countryside was blighted with 10 foot high
flourescent signs for the short-sighted?

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http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

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A waste of public money.

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Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

I agree that our Scottish system is a whole lot easier, but this one is
not useless - careful examination of the photograph suggests that the
metal sign is used as an air-gun target by local youth!

Richard

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So, what's the difference between the industrialised farmed lowlands of
England
and the industrialised farmed lowlands of Scotland?

Fair point - the incoming LABOUR/liberal Scottish Executive used the
long running access debate as a political gambit to win inner Glasgow
votes by "bashing the lairds" and getting "revenge for the clearances",
rather than trying to solve the real problems of health, law'n order and
education, any one of which would have cost even more than the new
parliament building! In the process they made a whole raft of problems
for farmers in the lowlands, but given that few farmers have time to
vote, and if they did they'd be unlikely to vote Labour, that didn't
matter.

In the spin off, in the Highlands, and Southern Uplands we did get the
valuable right of responsible access everywhere, under your (or your
horse's) own steam, except for the few excluded places, which is a whole
lot easier than the English system.

Richard

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I know of many Landrover drivers who go out regularly, keeping ways
clear and indeed repairing many ways so everyone can enjoy the
countryside, not just one section of it.

What part of Utopia to you live in then?

Here in South Wales we are blessed with the Roman Road Sarn Helen - a
fine example, at least it used to be until the 4x4's and XC bikes ripped
it up.
--
Bill Grey

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WOuld you rather the countryside was blighted with 10 foot high
flourescent signs for the short-sighted?

Powys CC are pretty good at blighting the countryside with huge signs -
not fluorescent I grant you but bloody unsightly for all that.

One road I can think of we know it as the old Trecastle Road (Roger will
know this) has a couple of very dodgy bends in its length. A boy race
pranged his car on one of the bends - which has been in existence for
yonks - now we have to endure the eyesore of two huge signs telling us
of the bends. The once quite wild area is now suffering from Council
vandalisation.
--
Bill Grey

Bill Grey wrote

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Here in South Wales we are blessed with the Roman Road Sarn Helen - a
fine example, at least it used to be until the 4x4's and XC bikes ripped
it up.

Quite. Green Laning == End of free access.

Chris

Bill Grey said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Dogpoop
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I know of many Landrover drivers who go out regularly, keeping ways
clear and indeed repairing many ways so everyone can enjoy the
countryside, not just one section of it.

What part of Utopia to you live in then?

Here in South Wales we are blessed with the Roman Road Sarn Helen - a
fine example, at least it used to be until the 4x4's and XC bikes ripped
it up.
--
Bill Grey

Here in the Peak District, especially on the Dark Peak, I can show you
loads of footpaths that have been 'ripped up' by walkers.

Strangely footpaths are repaired at huge expence by the authorities,
but legal 'green lanes' generally are not.

All users will cause some damage it there are enougth of them, e.g.
last week I must have counted at least 50 people having lunch at
Kinder Downfall, plus hoardes arivng every few minutes.

The more popular these pastimes become the more need there is for
repair and maintenance. When I started walking c. 40 yeas ago I had
problems finding a lot of the paths, now the scar left by walkers
makes them easy to find. I am not criticising any group of users but
by we all cause damage to some degree.

Ted

Bill Grey said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Dogpoop
<[email hidden]> writes

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I know of many Landrover drivers who go out regularly, keeping ways
clear and indeed repairing many ways so everyone can enjoy the
countryside, not just one section of it.

What part of Utopia to you live in then?

He didn't say all land rover drivers. I am one of those who go out
and do the work of the council, not just repairing byways and UCRs
either, we've (FoDRoW) done a few bridleways as well. We're not a
vehicle specific RoW group, in theory we cater for walkers and horse
riders as well, but it seems they don't want to be part of a group
that also caters for motorcyclists and 4x4 drivers. We do get
motorcyclists turning up to help out with the lane clearances but so
far, no horse riders or walkers, even when we're doing bridleways.
We're never asked to do footpaths, it seems the council is happy to do
those, but they won't do bridleways, byways or UCRs so they ask us to
do them.

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Here in South Wales we are blessed with the Roman Road Sarn Helen - a
fine example, at least it used to be until the 4x4's and XC bikes ripped
it up.

It still is a fine example, with some localised damage. We also get
damage from farm traffic, horse traffic and the tramping of thousands
of boots, Hadrian's Wall for example is being severely damaged by
people walking on it. So please don't get holier than thou just
because you don't share someone else's hobby, there are inconsiderate
4x4 drivers without doubt, but also horse riders and ramblers too. No
one group is perfect sadly, there is always an element of any group
who are determined to bugger it up for everyone else through their
lack of consideration, the trick is to try and avoid seeing only those
people.

I have seen large convoys of 4x4s in Wales though, I can't stand that
kind of thing, but it's a problem with firms making money out of
leading trips, they just want longer convoys to rake in more cash.
Ideally some scheme where they have to put something back into the
upkeep of the lanes they use would be ideal, but this would also
apply to companies doing walking and horse riding too, I used to live
near a riding school and they made a hell of a mess.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

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Quoted message said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

Quoted message said:

It'sa a bright yellow arrow for heavens sake. Are you colour blind?

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WOuld you rather the countryside was blighted with 10 foot high
flourescent signs for the short-sighted?

I suspect that the ops complaint is about the unkempt vegetation rather
than the inconspicuous sign. Why on earth he should think Scotland is
better in that respect is beyond me. :-)

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

Roger wrote

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I suspect that the ops complaint is about the unkempt vegetation rather
than the inconspicuous sign.

Agreed, and I find the fact that the arrow is pointing in a
completely different direction to the camera quite amusing.

Chris

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Seems to me that a lot of access is now closed because of the many TRO's
put on 'green Lanes' and such-like.

Not a single TRo in the east Riding

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So, what's the difference between the industrialised farmed lowlands of
England
and the industrialised farmed lowlands of Scotland?

My point exactly. Arable Aberdeenshire is equally as intensive as
Lincolnshire.

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Trevor said:

This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised - the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

It'sa a bright yellow arrow for heavens sake. Are you colour blind?

WOuld you rather the countryside was blighted with 10 foot high
flourescent signs for the short-sighted?

I'm not talking about the public footpath waymark but the Countryside
Stewardship access area buried in the nettles and I can show another one
within a few miles the same.

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This pic if fairly typically of the access through grants to farmers
under
Countryside Stewardship here in E Yorkshire - i.e. poorly publicised -
the
notice shows where you can go.

http://www.woldsweather.plus.com/Towthorpe.JPG

A waste of public money.

Lets just have open access comparable to Scotland.

Quoted message said:

It'sa a bright yellow arrow for heavens sake. Are you colour blind?

Quoted message said:

WOuld you rather the countryside was blighted with 10 foot high
flourescent signs for the short-sighted?

I suspect that the ops complaint is about the unkempt vegetation rather
than the inconspicuous sign. Why on earth he should think Scotland is
better in that respect is beyond me. :-)

I'm talking about the poor publicity that the countryside stweardsship
receives when farmers are paid for public acces - the sign is buried in
nettles and no one knows they can walk there. Theres a similar one at the
only other access site in this are nearby.

We have vast swathes of Yorkshire Wold where the farmers objected to ROW in
1950 and the council said oh ok then we won't put them on. Theres plenty of
room for access around the edges.