crash diet

"ed" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after.

I have never heard of it, but at that rate, i am willing to bet its all
water, your muscle size/strength will decrease, and as a result, the % of
fat goes UP, despite losing those pounds...

----
Pete

ed said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after. assuming you
keep working out, about how much of that weight is fat, how much
muscle, water, etc? what about lyle's modified whatchamacallit?

You're going to lose muscle, no matter what. A protein-sparing diet
like the Stillman Diet reduces muscle loss. The current
protein-sparing modified fasts include a lot of fiber to deal with the
constipation that was common with the Stillman Diet.

But you're still going to lose lean body mass, and as body fat levels
decrease, the more the body will derive it's energy from muscle.

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Pete said:

"ed" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after.

I have never heard of it,

The Stillman diet is like Atkins without the fat (and with more water).

Quoted message said:

but at that rate, i am willing to bet its all
water, your muscle size/strength will decrease, and as a result, the % of
fat goes UP, despite losing those pounds...

It's mostly water; figure the first week is all water, and you'll gain
5-10 lbs as soon as you start eating carbs.

You're much better off with LD2.0.

Seth
--
"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.

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Pete said:

"ed" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after.

I have never heard of it, but at that rate, i am willing to bet its all
water, your muscle size/strength will decrease, and as a result, the % of
fat goes UP, despite losing those pounds...

----
Pete

I googled it.
You won't lose muscle as it's a pure protein, fat free diet.

It's a bit extreme tho'. ;-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

JMW said:

ed said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after. assuming you
keep working out, about how much of that weight is fat, how much
muscle, water, etc? what about lyle's modified whatchamacallit?

You're going to lose muscle, no matter what. A protein-sparing diet
like the Stillman Diet reduces muscle loss. The current
protein-sparing modified fasts include a lot of fiber to deal with the
constipation that was common with the Stillman Diet.

But you're still going to lose lean body mass, and as body fat levels
decrease, the more the body will derive it's energy from muscle.

yar, i know you pretty much always lose lean body mass when dieting-
just wondering how well this preserves lean mass. i.e. if i do this
for 2 weeks and knock off 8-10 lbs, how much of it can i realistically
expect to be fat loss?

Edward Scholl said:

JMW said:

ed said:

currently 180lbs, ~16%body fat- looking to knock it down to ~11%-12%-
about 170-172 lbs. i read that w/ the stillman diet, you can lose
7-15lbs in the first week, about 5lbs per week after. assuming you
keep working out, about how much of that weight is fat, how much
muscle, water, etc? what about lyle's modified whatchamacallit?

You're going to lose muscle, no matter what. A protein-sparing diet
like the Stillman Diet reduces muscle loss. The current
protein-sparing modified fasts include a lot of fiber to deal with the
constipation that was common with the Stillman Diet.

But you're still going to lose lean body mass, and as body fat levels
decrease, the more the body will derive it's energy from muscle.

yar, i know you pretty much always lose lean body mass when dieting-
just wondering how well this preserves lean mass. i.e. if i do this
for 2 weeks and knock off 8-10 lbs, how much of it can i realistically
expect to be fat loss?

That's guesswork. My guess is about 60%.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have never heard of it, but at that rate, i am willing to bet its all
water, your muscle size/strength will decrease, and as a result, the % of
fat goes UP, despite losing those pounds...

Quoted message said:

I googled it.
You won't lose muscle as it's a pure protein, fat free diet.

How is that possible?
I mean, with an avarage of 10 pounds the first week, and 5 thereafter?

I really have reasons to assume that high protein diets dont "protect"
muscle tissue if you get zero carbs and fat.

----
Pete

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Pete said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> schreef:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have never heard of it, but at that rate, i am willing to bet its all
water, your muscle size/strength will decrease, and as a result, the % of
fat goes UP, despite losing those pounds...

Quoted message said:

I googled it.
You won't lose muscle as it's a pure protein, fat free diet.

How is that possible?
I mean, with an avarage of 10 pounds the first week, and 5 thereafter?

I really have reasons to assume that high protein diets dont "protect"
muscle tissue if you get zero carbs and fat.

----
Pete

That should have read "you won't lose as much muscle".

A lot of the first ten pounds that first week is water weight due to
glycogen depletion in the muscles.

I'm pretty good about low carbing most of the time but when I do
"cheat", even something as little as a couple of slices of bread to make
a sandwich, or a sweet potato or, say, a bowl of rice, I gain 5 lbs.
overnight and the muscles in my arms get really hard due to the glycogen
production and water increase in the muscle tissue.

That's what carb depletion and carbing up prior to body building
competition is all about. :-)

I can get rid of most of the sudden weight gain in a couple of days by
being really strict, and taking Torosemide. I have a prescription.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson