Cross Country Ski Simulator: Does it work?

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Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar produc)
Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier
Edge 450 Cross Country Ski Simulator
http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment. But I am unable to find many reviews
about this equipment online. I have many questions about this product
and any information regarding it would be greatly appreciated.

1. My whole apartment is carpeted. Is this equipment stable if placed
on top of a carpet? Looks like it is standing on four thin legs. I
don't want to fall down and cause more problems than I have now.

2. I am not looking for a major weight loss. Something in the range of
10-15 pounds would be more than enough for me. But whole body exercise
is important to me. Does it exercise both the upper(chest), middle
(belly) and lower body?

3. Are there any similar equipment that could provide both upper and
lower body exercise? It should not be too advanced (like bowflex) or
too pricy.

Thank you all for your expert advice.

Thanks
Congace

At that price, it is a piece of junk.

The original cross country ski trainer is the Nordic Track. The Nordic
Track is a quality unit.

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

http://www.nordictrack.com

And for that kind of money, you might consider an elliptical trainer. They
are a lot easier to use for many people.

Also, you might look for a used one. They are a lot cheaper that way.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar produc)
Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier
Edge 450 Cross Country Ski Simulator
http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment.

It actually doesn't look like much a machine. It's pretty cheap and
looks even cheaper. This will not do anything for you that walking
cannot accomplish. There are a gazillion of those things, barely used
for sale at any time. That is because the machine doesn't do anything
for you unless you use it. Most people just won't.

If you want to drop a couple hundred bucks, thin about finding a nice
gym and buy a short term membership. They will have a room full of
machines worth thousands apiece and you can use any or all of them.
There are also lots of nice people there with the same goals as you and
that can really be a help.

If you feel that you are going to stay with it, I'm pretty sure you will
find the cost of a gym to be a non issue. You should also be doing some
strength exercise as well and the ski machine, or walking for that
matter doesn't do much for you in that way.

Most gyms will give you a free week to try it out. Maybe go through a
few to give yourself more time to see if a gym is for you and to find
one that you like. If you really don't want to try a gym or have and
really don't like it may not be for you. You can put that money into a
great pair of shoes and walk instead. It really doesn't matter much
what you do, it matters most that you find something that you like to do
and keep doing it.

Having said all that, even if you do get yourself into the routine of
exercising, whether with the ski machine, gym or pair of shoes, this is
not the key to weight loss. You still need to evaluate your eating plan
and get that under control. You'd be surprised at how much exercise it
takes to overcome the calories from a snack that you didn't need.

Make it your goal for the next while to learn things that will help you
achieve your goal and then do them. Eat right, exercise, and sleep.
That's a hard combo to beat.

Good luck,

Stephen Nishio

Lee Michaels said:

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar produc)
Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier
Edge 450 Cross Country Ski Simulator
http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment. But I am unable to find many reviews
about this equipment online. I have many questions about this product
and any information regarding it would be greatly appreciated.

1. My whole apartment is carpeted. Is this equipment stable if placed
on top of a carpet? Looks like it is standing on four thin legs. I
don't want to fall down and cause more problems than I have now.

2. I am not looking for a major weight loss. Something in the range of
10-15 pounds would be more than enough for me. But whole body exercise
is important to me. Does it exercise both the upper(chest), middle
(belly) and lower body?

3. Are there any similar equipment that could provide both upper and
lower body exercise? It should not be too advanced (like bowflex) or
too pricy.

Thank you all for your expert advice.

Thanks
Congace

At that price, it is a piece of junk.

The original cross country ski trainer is the Nordic Track. The Nordic
Track is a quality unit.

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

http://www.nordictrack.com

And for that kind of money, you might consider an elliptical trainer. They
are a lot easier to use for many people.

Also, you might look for a used one. They are a lot cheaper that way.

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

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At that price, it is a piece of junk.

The original cross country ski trainer is the Nordic Track. The Nordic
Track is a quality unit.

I agree with you there. Some years ago, I bought a piece of junk. I didn't
realize at the time that there was a big difference between what I bought
and the Nordic Track. And that difference is that the arm and foot portions
of a Nordic Track work independently of each other. The unit I bought had
the foot portion hooked up to the arm portion. So as you moved your arms
back and forth, your legs sort of went along for the ride! It made me work
up a horrible sweat and perhaps gave my upper body a bit of a workout, but
certainly far less of a workout than I could get with my cheap dumbells.
Did nothing whatever for my legs, lower body or waist.

I bought the specific unit I had because it was supposed to be able to fold
down and slide under the bed. As it turned out, it didn't exactly fold
down. In order to slide it under the bed, you had to take off a bunch of
pieces and then slide this one piece down. You also needed a bed on risers
to be able to do this. It took up a lot of floor space. Floor space I
didn't have! You can't just go by the measurements, because there are those
things that go shooting out from the front and the back of it. You need a
very large room to put it in, and wherever it is, it will be the focal point
of the room.

Quoted message said:

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I

could

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never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It

might

Quoted message said:

be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this

particular

Quoted message said:

form of exercise agrees with you.

http://www.nordictrack.com

And for that kind of money, you might consider an elliptical trainer.

They

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are a lot easier to use for many people.

Also, you might look for a used one. They are a lot cheaper that way.

I used to work with a woman who swore by her Nordic Track. It didn't cause
her to lose any weight. But she didn't buy it for that. She did cross
country skiing in the winter and was looking for something to keep her in
shape the rest of the year.

I have heard good things about elliptical trainers, but I've never tried
one.

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JMW said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is not
worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a very
dedicated person will stay with it. I hate using [censored] equipment.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have to use crappy stuff in a pinch
sometimes when I am in hotels out of town.

I love to train and I know if I find it tough to use that junk, it will
be twice as discouraging to someone who is not as much in the habit of
exercising to get with it and stay with it.

One hotel gym actually had pink plastic 2lb dumbells. I almost stole
one for a souvenir. I haven't seen one of those in decades.

Stephen N.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:47:41 -0500, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Lee Michaels said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

Quoted message said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

You two don't have enough Scandinavian blood in you:-)

Then again, I tried it for about 60 seconds once and couldn't get the
hang of it either and I'm full-blooded Norwegian.

"Stephen" wrote

Quoted message said:

JMW said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is not
worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a very
dedicated person will stay with it. I hate using [censored] equipment.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have to use crappy stuff in a pinch sometimes
when I am in hotels out of town.

Damn Steve, that is an attitude I like.

I am often asked to consult on putting somebody's home gum together. It is
amazing the [censored] I hear from these folks who think that they can put a
home gym together for less than they spend on dinner or night out.

And simce I have heard the routine so many times before, I am rather
impatient with them too. I ask them how much money they spent on their
house, education, medical expenses, cars, hobbies, etc. Then I ask them if
they realistically thought that they could get a good cardio machine for
$150. And if sliding it under the bed was a good design criteria?

People shop for gym equipment like throw pillows for the sofa. The idea
that they are entrusting their flesh to a pile of junk just doesn't occur to
them.

"John Hanson" wrote

Quoted message said:

JMW wrote

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I
could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It
might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this
particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

Quoted message said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

You two don't have enough Scandinavian blood in you:-)

Then again, I tried it for about 60 seconds once and couldn't get the
hang of it either and I'm full-blooded Norwegian.

Mr Hanson, what a macho man, spent a whole sixty seconds on the machine!!

I bought one, brand new. Paid full price for it. And I tried to use that
thing again and again for years!! I got so I could elevate my heart rate on
it. But it was never comfortable or fun for me. Finally sold it to a cross
country skier. They love these things.

The skier made an interesting comment to me when he bought it. He said that
when he first starting cross country skiing, he got tired fast. But as he
did it more, he realized that the neuro component was a definite part of the
fatigue. As he did more and more of it, it became easier for him.

He also said that he tried to use the nordic track years before and could
never master it. But after learning to ski on real skis, on real snow, the
nordic track became easy for him.

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar produc)
Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier
Edge 450 Cross Country Ski Simulator
http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment. But I am unable to find many reviews
about this equipment online. I have many questions about this product
and any information regarding it would be greatly appreciated.

1. My whole apartment is carpeted. Is this equipment stable if placed
on top of a carpet? Looks like it is standing on four thin legs. I
don't want to fall down and cause more problems than I have now.

2. I am not looking for a major weight loss. Something in the range of
10-15 pounds would be more than enough for me. But whole body exercise
is important to me. Does it exercise both the upper(chest), middle
(belly) and lower body?

3. Are there any similar equipment that could provide both upper and
lower body exercise? It should not be too advanced (like bowflex) or
too pricy.

Thank you all for your expert advice.

Thanks
Congace

At that price, it is a piece of junk.

The original cross country ski trainer is the Nordic Track. The Nordic
Track is a quality unit.

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

http://www.nordictrack.com

And for that kind of money, you might consider an elliptical trainer. They
are a lot easier to use for many people.

Also, you might look for a used one. They are a lot cheaper that way.

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

The elliptical cross trainers are probably the best non-impact pieces
of CV equipment in the multitude of machines available for this
purpose.

When I had acute Achilles Tendonitis I was able to continue my CV
training without interruption using such a machine.

I agree that the home models are really not a patch on those used in
commercial gyms.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 02:06:08 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
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"John Hanson" wrote

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JMW wrote

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"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I
>could
>never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It
>might
>be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this
>particular
>form of exercise agrees with you.

Quoted message said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

You two don't have enough Scandinavian blood in you:-)

Then again, I tried it for about 60 seconds once and couldn't get the
hang of it either and I'm full-blooded Norwegian.

Mr Hanson, what a macho man, spent a whole sixty seconds on the machine!!

I bought one, brand new. Paid full price for it. And I tried to use that
thing again and again for years!! I got so I could elevate my heart rate on
it. But it was never comfortable or fun for me. Finally sold it to a cross
country skier. They love these things.

Everybody and his brother has one around these parts. Heck, the
company started here. There are a lot of diehard cross country skiers
who use them religiously during the non winter months.

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The skier made an interesting comment to me when he bought it. He said that
when he first starting cross country skiing, he got tired fast. But as he
did it more, he realized that the neuro component was a definite part of the
fatigue. As he did more and more of it, it became easier for him.

He also said that he tried to use the nordic track years before and could
never master it. But after learning to ski on real skis, on real snow, the
nordic track became easy for him.

I haven't cross country skied since I was a kid when we did it every
year in elementary school. I enjoyed it and I was good at it which is
why the Nordic track was so damned frustrating. It may have had to do
with the tension settings on the machine I tried.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar
produc) Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier Edge 450 Cross Country Ski
Simulator http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

It's possible that this machine might stand up to actual use, but as
the others have mentioned these sorts of machines can be very
problematic. If you really want to do cardio I would simply take the
money you would spend on this gizmo, purchase some running shoes, and
pocket the difference.

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I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment. But I am unable to find many
reviews about this equipment online. I have many questions about
this product and any information regarding it would be greatly
appreciated.

If you only need to lose 10-15 pounds then I would suggest something
more along the lines of Tabata Thrusters

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-046-training

or "The Bear"

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459657

Neither of these exercises requires very much weight. Heck, the
Tabata thrusters are effective without any weight at all.

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1. My whole apartment is carpeted. Is this equipment stable if
placed on top of a carpet? Looks like it is standing on four thin
legs. I don't want to fall down and cause more problems than I have
now.

I wouldn't buy something like this unless I could try it first.

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2. I am not looking for a major weight loss. Something in the range
of 10-15 pounds would be more than enough for me. But whole body
exercise is important to me. Does it exercise both the upper(chest),
middle (belly) and lower body?

Lifting stuff above your head is good for this sort of thing, as is
pushing heavy stuff like a car. Another fun full body exercise is
wheelbarrow races. Not the kind you did as a kid (although those are
probably good too) but the kind where you take an actual wheelbarrow
load it up with stuff push it a hundred yards or so, unload it, and
then start again. I've got a buddy I get together with on occasion
for this sort of thing, and it's always a blast.

The point is that you don't need some sort of gizmo to get a good full
body workout. Chances are good that you have something that would
work laying around in your apartment.

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3. Are there any similar equipment that could provide both upper and
lower body exercise? It should not be too advanced (like bowflex) or
too pricy.

You get the most bang per buck from free weights. If you are on a
budget everything else is a gimmick. You don't even really need a
bench, just a bar.

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Thank you all for your expert advice.

Good luck,
Jason

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JMW said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is not
worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a very
dedicated person will stay with it.

Concept 2 rowers are only $850. They are worth using.

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Quoted message said:

Does anybody have experience with this product? (Or any similar produc)
Fitness Quest Edge 450 Skier
Edge 450 Cross Country Ski Simulator
http://store.yahoo.com/comfortforless/ed450skbyfiq.html

I would like to loose a few vanity pounds 10-15 pinds and is
considering buying this equipment. But I am unable to find many reviews
about this equipment online. I have many questions about this product
and any information regarding it would be greatly appreciated.

1. My whole apartment is carpeted. Is this equipment stable if placed
on top of a carpet? Looks like it is standing on four thin legs. I
don't want to fall down and cause more problems than I have now.

2. I am not looking for a major weight loss. Something in the range of
10-15 pounds would be more than enough for me. But whole body exercise
is important to me. Does it exercise both the upper(chest), middle
(belly) and lower body?

3. Are there any similar equipment that could provide both upper and
lower body exercise? It should not be too advanced (like bowflex) or
too pricy.

Thank you all for your expert advice.

Thanks
Congace

At that price, it is a piece of junk.

The original cross country ski trainer is the Nordic Track. The Nordic
Track is a quality unit.

Nordic Trac has been sold years ago - it is made in China and typical [censored]

Quoted message said:

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I
could never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them.
It might be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this
particular form of exercise agrees with you.

http://www.nordictrack.com

And for that kind of money, you might consider an elliptical trainer.
They are a lot easier to use for many people.

Also, you might look for a used one. They are a lot cheaper that way.

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"Stephen" wrote

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JMW said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is not
worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a very
dedicated person will stay with it. I hate using [censored] equipment.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have to use crappy stuff in a pinch sometimes
when I am in hotels out of town.

Damn Steve, that is an attitude I like.

I am often asked to consult on putting somebody's home gum together.

Maybe you should confine your advice to 'home gum' because you aren't much
good with home gyms

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It is
amazing the [censored] I hear from these folks who think that they can put a
home gym together for less than they spend on dinner or night out.

And simce I have heard the routine so many times before, I am rather
impatient with them too. I ask them how much money they spent on their
house, education, medical expenses, cars, hobbies, etc. Then I ask them
if they realistically thought that they could get a good cardio machine
for $150. And if sliding it under the bed was a good design criteria?

People shop for gym equipment like throw pillows for the sofa. The idea
that they are entrusting their flesh to a pile of junk just doesn't occur
to them.

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:47:41 -0500, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Lee Michaels said:

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Quoted message said:

But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I
could
never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It
might
be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this
particular
form of exercise agrees with you.

Quoted message said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

You two don't have enough Scandinavian blood in you:-)

Then again, I tried it for about 60 seconds once and couldn't get the
hang of it either and I'm full-blooded Norwegian.

Maybe if you were Chinese you'd do better as all Nordic Trac is made in
China since that company has gone bankrupt a few years ago. They are now
owned by Icon which is the largest fitness company in the world - known for
making very ordinary equipment and all is made in China.

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:47:41 -0500, JMW <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>

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>
>But it takes a particular type of person to use one of these things. I
>could
>never get the hang of it. Other people love them and swear by them. It
>might
>be an idea to find one and try it out before you buy. See if this
>particular
>form of exercise agrees with you.

Quoted message said:

Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
the hang of it, either.

You two don't have enough Scandinavian blood in you:-)

Then again, I tried it for about 60 seconds once and couldn't get the
hang of it either and I'm full-blooded Norwegian.

Maybe if you were Chinese you'd do better as all Nordic Trac is made in
China since that company has gone bankrupt a few years ago. They are now
owned by Icon which is the largest fitness company in the world - known
for making very ordinary equipment and all is made in China.

Sorry Proform treadmills is one of their products and that is made in the
USA - poor quality reputation nevertheless

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"Stephen" wrote

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JMW wrote:

> Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
> the hang of it, either.
>
> Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
> to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.

I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is not
worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a very
dedicated person will stay with it. I hate using [censored] equipment.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have to use crappy stuff in a pinch sometimes
when I am in hotels out of town.

Damn Steve, that is an attitude I like.

I am often asked to consult on putting somebody's home gum together.

Maybe you should confine your advice to 'home gum' because you aren't much
good with home gyms

That will give him something to chew over, as he can masticate gum
while he's bumping his gums about gyms.

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"Stephen" wrote
> JMW wrote:
>
>> Years ago, I tried to use the Nordic Track at my gym. I couldn't get
>> the hang of it, either.
>>
>> Ellipticals are nice, but the commercial-grade ones are a lot easier
>> to use than the cheap ones ... less noisy, too.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that any exercise machine - treadmill,
> elliptical, stairclimber, whatever, that is less than a few grand is
> not
> worth using. It's is most likely going to be so crappy that only a
> very
> dedicated person will stay with it. I hate using [censored] equipment.
> Like I mentioned earlier, I have to use crappy stuff in a pinch
> sometimes
> when I am in hotels out of town.
>

Damn Steve, that is an attitude I like.

I am often asked to consult on putting somebody's home gum together.

Maybe you should confine your advice to 'home gum' because you aren't much
good with home gyms

That will give him something to chew over, as he can masticate gum
while he's bumping his gums about gyms.

Be careful. You might go back in the bozo bin

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:26:01 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Nordic Trac has been sold years ago - it is made in China and typical [censored]

Just goes to show what a imbecile you are. Nordic Trac makes a lot of
GREAT machines. We have an eliptical trainer 910. It's 4 years old,
gets used a minimum of an hour a day by my daughter, plus an hour a
day by me during the winter months. We bought it used from Sears where
it had been returned for one reason or another, then resold at several
hundred dollars less with ful warranty. It's never given us any
problems at all.
Try talking about something you ACTUALLY know something about moron.