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  1. On 07/08/2004 10:55 AM, in article [email hidden],

    Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <kq3Hc.12004$eO.11345@edtnps89>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife just picked up Runner's World (hmmm... who
    publishes that?) and there was an article on Kristin's
    marathon, run the December before their divorce? Why'd
    they do the big D anyway?

    Something about Lance and a podium girl?

    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes
    due to cancer and fame over the past five years, plus b)
    Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
    at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
    servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
    sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
    word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
    ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  2. Steven L. Sheffield said:


    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many changes
    due to cancer and fame over the past five years, plus b)
    Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.

    I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific
    reference to the grace of God in her article in Runner's
    World, and from his book anyway Lance is pretty much on
    record re institutionalized religion or whatever. I was
    thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger grounds
    than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to
    grant him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

  3. Jim Flom said:
    Steven L. Sheffield said:


    It was Georgie with the podium girl.

    Lance and Kik's split was related to a) many, many
    changes due to cancer and fame over the past five years,
    plus b) Kik's devout Catholicism vs. Lance's atheism.

    I was thinking that (re b). Kristin makes a specific
    reference to the grace of God in her article in Runner's
    World, and from his book anyway Lance is pretty much on
    record re institutionalized religion or whatever. I was
    thinking it would take a devout Catholic stronger grounds
    than that though, kind of like Bob Hope's wife refusing to
    grant him a divorce despite his own indiscretions.

    How about a recognition that with regards to children,
    divorced parents who can get along are better than married
    parents who hate each other ... And lots and lots of money
    in the settlement?

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
    at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
    servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
    sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
    word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
    ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  4. "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...

    Quoted message said:


    How about a recognition that with regards to children,
    divorced parents


    who

    Quoted message said:

    can get along are better than married parents who hate
    each other ... And lots and lots of money in the
    settlement?

    I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced.
    However, characterizing it as you do, who can disagree,
    although I don't follow how a couple automatically goes from
    "hating" one another in marriage to suddenly "getting along"
    afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more complicated
    than that. And the kids are always the victims. There has
    amassed over the last 30 years or so substantial amounts of
    sociological evidence that even the general media has
    reported indicating that kids are better off in intact
    families even with less than ideal marriages than the serial
    marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a generation of self-
    absorbed, me-first, kids-as-accessories narcissists.

    listarchives.his.comsmartmarriages.0
    110/msg00002.html

    frc.orgget.cfm

    See also
    1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital
    Disruption for Young Women over the Past Two Decades."
    Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
    2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill,"
    interview with John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on Television
    Channel 10, Fairfax, VA, www.divorcereform.org.
    3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being: A
    Literature Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-102; I.
    M. Joung, et al., "Differences in Self-Reported Morbidity
    by Marital Status and by Living Arrangement,"
    International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
    4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage
    (New York: Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
    5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report,"
    Hospital Practice (August 1975), p. 39.
    6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and
    Jonathan M. Sarmet, "The Effect of Marital Status on
    Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer Patients,"
    Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
    3125-3130.
    7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status
    Continuity and Change among Young and Midlife Adults:
    Longitudinal Effects on Psychological Well-being,"
    Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.

    J "don't get me started" F

  5. Jim Flom said:

    "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in...

    Quoted message said:


    How about a recognition that with regards to children,
    divorced parents


    who

    Quoted message said:

    can get along are better than married parents who hate
    each other ... And lots and lots of money in the
    settlement?

    I was really just curious why Lance and Kik divorced.
    However, characterizing it as you do, who can disagree,
    although I don't follow how a couple automatically goes
    from "hating" one another in marriage to suddenly "getting
    along" afterwards. It's usually much uglier and more
    complicated than that. And the kids are always the
    victims. There has amassed over the last 30 years or so
    substantial amounts of sociological evidence that even the
    general media has reported indicating that kids are better
    off in intact families even with less than ideal marriages
    than the serial marriage/divorce-at-a-whim, pattern of a
    generation of self-absorbed, me-first, kids-as-accessories
    narcissists.

    I don't disagree with you in the slightest ... But let me
    give you some insight to where I'm coming from.

    My parents split up when I was 3 years old; my mom re-
    married when I was 5 and was divorced again when I was 7,
    although she and her second ex-husband continued dating off-and-
    on for a number of years afterwards until my mom met the
    man destined to be her third husband, but they still get
    along today ...

    Her third marriage (when I was almost 13) has lasted over 25
    years however ... thankfully, quite happily ... her current
    husband is a great man, and as I'm getting older, I'm
    beginning to recognize that he is the closest thing I've had
    to a dad for most of my life ...

    I don't think that a couple can go from "hating" each other
    to **suddenly** "getting along" afterwards ... But I do
    think that when couples are miserable in a marriage, and
    can't work things out within the context of that marriage,
    it's better to separate and/or divorce.

    And as evidenced by my mother's own second marriage, it is
    possible to reconcile some of those "irreconcilable
    differences", making it possible to get along.

    Quoted message said:

    listarchives.his.comsmartmarriages
    .0110/msg00002.html

    frc.orgget.cfm

    See also
    1. Pamela J. Smock, "The Economic Costs of Marital
    Disruption for Young Women over the Past Two Decades."
    Demography 30 (1993): 353-371.
    2. John Crouch, "Virginia's No-Fault Divorce Reform Bill,"
    interview with John Crouch and Jim Parmelee on
    Television Channel 10, Fairfax, VA,
    www.divorcereform.org.
    3. Robert Coombs, "Marital Status and Personal Well-Being:
    A Literature Review," Family Relations 40 (1991):97-
    102; I. M. Joung, et al., "Differences in Self-Reported
    Morbidity by Marital Status and by Living Arrangement,"
    International Journal of Epidemiology 23 (1994): 91-97.
    4. Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher, The Case for Marriage
    (New York: Doubleday, 2000), p. 148.
    5. Harold J. Morowitz, "Hiding in the Hammond Report,"
    Hospital Practice (August 1975), p. 39.
    6. James S. Goodwin, William C. Hunt, Charles R. Key and
    Jonathan M. Sarmet, "The Effect of Marital Status on
    Stage, Treatment, and Survival of Cancer Patients,"
    Journal of the American Medical Association 258 (1987):
    3125-3130.
    7. Nadine F. Marks and James D. Lambert, "Marital Status
    Continuity and Change among Young and Midlife Adults:
    Longitudinal Effects on Psychological Well-being,"
    Journal of Family Issues 19 (1998): 652-686.

    J "don't get me started" F

    --
    Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks
    at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum pax est libertas
    servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee
    sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for
    word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
    ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

  6. "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    I don't disagree with you in the slightest ... But let me
    give you some insight to where I'm coming from.

    I appreciate the personal perspective, Steve. I come
    across people like us every week in my work. I too got
    caught in the crossfire of my parents divorce, but rather
    than elaborate, hmmm... I wonder how Cofidis' Peter
    Farazijn did today...

    JF

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