Cry me a river

Preston Crawford said:

Leo Lichtman said:

"Preston Crawford" wrote: (clip) But in the end I did the right thing.
Consoled her, took her to the hospital where she got some stitches,(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And what would you consider serious, Preston? If she had to take YOU to the
hospital to get some stitches? LOL

:-)

I get what you mean. What I meant to say was that I wouldn't have been
emotional or distraught over it. It was in a parking lot, very low
speed, like 3 miles per hour. Just a clipless tip-over. It required a
few stitches, mostly because it happened to be on the elbow. It wasn't
serious.

Whoa, anytime you have to go to the ER it's serious. Very easy to get
nosocomial infections in a hospital man.

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What she's facing now is serious.

Huh? Your wife is ill?

jj

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Preston

jj said:

Preston Crawford said:

Leo Lichtman said:

"Preston Crawford" wrote: (clip) But in the end I did the right thing.
Consoled her, took her to the hospital where she got some stitches,(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And what would you consider serious, Preston? If she had to take YOU to the
hospital to get some stitches? LOL

:-)

I get what you mean. What I meant to say was that I wouldn't have been
emotional or distraught over it. It was in a parking lot, very low
speed, like 3 miles per hour. Just a clipless tip-over. It required a
few stitches, mostly because it happened to be on the elbow. It wasn't
serious.

Whoa, anytime you have to go to the ER it's serious. Very easy to get
nosocomial infections in a hospital man.

I understand. I'm speaking relatively, of course. My point is that I've
wiped out plenty of times and required stitches. I once wiped out so bad
they had to pry rocks from my knee (back in high school). So in the
grand scheme of things this wasn't a serious crash.

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Quoted message said:

What she's facing now is serious.

Huh? Your wife is ill?

Yes. She has deep vein thrombosis.

Preston

Preston Crawford said:

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1) She wouldn't grab her *own* chain and pull it out, even though I was
offering to show her how.

My wife wouldn't do this the first few times it happened to her. There
are gears in there with spikes and stuff. Sometimes you have to show
people that don't wrench their bikes at all that it's okay to touch
parts that look a little risky. I don't see the problem with that.

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For God's sake, man, learn some empathy. It may seem silly to you, but
everyone reacts differently to different situations. My wife, who hasn't
biked nearly as much as I have, used to get all out of order when little
stuff like this happened. She eventually learned that it wasn't a big
deal, but that was through me explaining why it wasn't and understanding
why she may see it as a big deal. Just be empathetic to your fellow man
and maybe they'll get it next time.

Umm, yes, Preston, but I wasn't *married* to this particular woman. 😉

Dave

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"Rich" wrote: (clip) An [censored] whould have just pushed her over and went
on by. And maybe rode over her foot or something. Yea. And spit on
her. Twice.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nothing personal, Rich, but why are you raising the bar so high? Is it so
you won't feel like an [censored] yourself?

They just don't make [censored] like they used to.

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4) I just hate that style of emotional blackmail.

Relationships take a lot of work, Dave.

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You forgot the most important part-- was she hot?

No.

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"bryanska" wrote: (clip) help in any way I can, including
grabbing my OWN dirty parts. (!) (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is why my mother trained me to put on clean underwear every
morning. You never know what may happen.

You never wear underwear under cycling shorts (unless you are a Fred
that is).

Mike Latondresse mikelat@no_spam_shaw.ca said:

"Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"bryanska" wrote: (clip) help in any way I can, including
grabbing my OWN dirty parts. (!) (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is why my mother trained me to put on clean underwear every
morning. You never know what may happen.

You never wear underwear under cycling shorts (unless you are a Fred
that is).

How about if you don't wear cycling shorts and just wear boxer briefs?
Okay, yes, I know I'm a Fred.

Preston

Preston Crawford says...

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The funny thing about this is that it reminds me of my wife. She once
tipped over while learning to ride clipless. She was very
[censored]/emotional about it. Something that seemingly would be no big deal
for some of us, I suppose, who ride a lot more. But in the end I did the
right thing. Consoled her, took her to the hospital where she got some
stitches, told her not to worry about it and to get back on and
eventually she went on to keep riding. She's done a half-Ironman and
dropped 150lbs.

Holy cow (no pun intended). That's some serious cellulite. It is an
almost incredible accomplishment to lose all that.

Bill Sornson says...

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Sure is pathetic...THAT YOU WORRY ABOUT GETTING A LITTLE CHAIN GRIME ON YOUR
HANDS! Boo frickin' hoo indeed.

The poor lady was stranded after dark with a bike that wouldn't work, and
had also taken a fall. Of course she was scared and emotional. A little
compassion and encouragement would have gone a long way, but instead you
"yelled" at her a few times and basically made her feel even worse. Way to
go.

BS

What do you expect from a NorEaster? If they were to give the US an
enema, that is where they would put the tube.

Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:55:59 -0500,
<[email hidden]>, Preston Crawford

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How about if you don't wear cycling shorts and just wear boxer briefs?
Okay, yes, I know I'm a Fred.

Hey, it sounds like you're properly attired for the Wholesome Undies
Race. This year's race is a victory celebration meaning we don't have
to put up with a month of our town being torn up and turned over to
the petro fuming Indy.

http://www.bikesexual.org/cm/indy-foto.htm
--
zk

Preston Crawford said:

On 2005-08-10, Mike Latondresse <mikelat@no_spam_shaw.ca> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You never wear underwear under cycling shorts (unless you are a Fred
that is).

Quoted message said:

How about if you don't wear cycling shorts and just wear boxer briefs?

I wear boxers OVER my cycling shorts. (Blue silk, with silver swimming
dolphins. Frolicking.)

Bill "gets lots of honks" S.

Fred Barney said:

Preston Crawford says...

Quoted message said:

The funny thing about this is that it reminds me of my wife. She once
tipped over while learning to ride clipless. She was very
[censored]/emotional about it. Something that seemingly would be no big deal
for some of us, I suppose, who ride a lot more. But in the end I did the
right thing. Consoled her, took her to the hospital where she got some
stitches, told her not to worry about it and to get back on and
eventually she went on to keep riding. She's done a half-Ironman and
dropped 150lbs.

Holy cow (no pun intended). That's some serious cellulite. It is an
almost incredible accomplishment to lose all that.

Thanks.

When my wife and I were really overweight we used to say things like
"time to go to the 'Fat Guy' store to buy more clothes". It helped us to
"keep it real". And it makes us even more proud of our accomplishments
and realistic about the work left to be done. So I don't think either of
us would find the pun offensive.

Preston

Zoot Katz said:

Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:55:59 -0500,
<[email hidden]>, Preston Crawford

Quoted message said:

How about if you don't wear cycling shorts and just wear boxer briefs?
Okay, yes, I know I'm a Fred.

Hey, it sounds like you're properly attired for the Wholesome Undies
Race. This year's race is a victory celebration meaning we don't have
to put up with a month of our town being torn up and turned over to
the petro fuming Indy.

http://www.bikesexual.org/cm/indy-foto.htm

I have regular shorts OVER my boxers. Just no biker shorts. Neither the
underwear kind, nor the regular kind.

Preston

Preston Crawford says...

Quoted message said:

Thanks.

When my wife and I were really overweight we used to say things like
"time to go to the 'Fat Guy' store to buy more clothes". It helped us to
"keep it real". And it makes us even more proud of our accomplishments
and realistic about the work left to be done. So I don't think either of
us would find the pun offensive.

Preston

It is an almost super human achievement. Almost nobody is able to do
that.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:55:33 -0500, Fred Barney <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Preston Crawford says...

Quoted message said:

Thanks.

When my wife and I were really overweight we used to say things like
"time to go to the 'Fat Guy' store to buy more clothes". It helped us to
"keep it real". And it makes us even more proud of our accomplishments
and realistic about the work left to be done. So I don't think either of
us would find the pun offensive.

Preston

It is an almost super human achievement. Almost nobody is able to do
that.

There are quite a few people who have done it using Low Carbing. I lost
about 70lbs that way several years ago and kept it all off except for about
20-25lbs. What's superhuman is keeping it off past five years. Few do that,
ime.

The problem that people have who are 150lbs overweight is all the extra
skin or so I'm told. They frequently have to have extensive surgery to get
rid of it all. In some cases they actually look worse after the weight
loss, though ok in clothes. ;-/

jj

jj says...

Quoted message said:

There are quite a few people who have done it using Low Carbing. I lost
about 70lbs that way several years ago and kept it all off except for about
20-25lbs. What's superhuman is keeping it off past five years. Few do that,
ime.

The solution is intensive bicycling. At 40+ calories per mile for a
vigorous ride, I can eat just about anything I want and still lose
weight. I actually find that my appetite doesn't increase as much as
the calories I burn. If I do vigorous 50 mile ride with lots of hills
and burn 2300 calories, it is difficult to eat enough to make back all
the calories. Yesterday I ate 21oz. of rib eye and a big bowl of ice
cream with magic shell topping along with a big breakfast and a light
lunch and I came out 450 calories in the negative for the day. I just
couldn't eat any more. After my 75 mile ride Saturday, I was 1500
calories in the negative for the day. I gained about 10lbs over the
winter and started the riding season slow and late, but I'm probably in
as good a biking shape now as I have ever been after about 6 weeks of
hitting it hard. The ten pounds is mostly gone and I don't feel I need
to lose much more, but if I was to aspire to pro racer skinny I would
need to lose another 15.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:08:35 -0500, Fred Barney <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

jj says...

Quoted message said:

There are quite a few people who have done it using Low Carbing. I lost
about 70lbs that way several years ago and kept it all off except for about
20-25lbs. What's superhuman is keeping it off past five years. Few do that,
ime.

The solution is intensive bicycling.

Absolutely! Might take another year before I'm riding as intensely as I'd
like, though.

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At 40+ calories per mile for a vigorous ride, I can eat just about anything
I want and still lose weight. I actually find that my appetite doesn't increase
as much as the calories I burn.

I think this part varies. Some people report a rise in appetite. For me
exercise is usually an appetite suppressant.

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If I do vigorous 50 mile ride with lots of hills
and burn 2300 calories, it is difficult to eat enough to make back all
the calories.

If you can do this daily, then more power to you. Right now I'm in the
process of another increase. About 12-15miles per day of fairly hilly
terrain is what I'm able to do each day and still be recovered the next
day.

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Yesterday I ate 21oz. of rib eye and a big bowl of ice
cream with magic shell topping along with a big breakfast and a light
lunch and I came out 450 calories in the negative for the day.

And the more lean body mass you have, generally the faster you burn it off
as well.

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I just couldn't eat any more. After my 75 mile ride Saturday, I was 1500
calories in the negative for the day. I gained about 10lbs over the
winter and started the riding season slow and late, but I'm probably in
as good a biking shape now as I have ever been after about 6 weeks of
hitting it hard. The ten pounds is mostly gone and I don't feel I need
to lose much more, but if I was to aspire to pro racer skinny I would
need to lose another 15.

Cool. Ever do anything like ride the Everest challenge, or the Death ride?
Sound's like you'd do ok. Next step! ;-)

jj

jj says...

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Cool. Ever do anything like ride the Everest challenge, or the Death ride?
Sound's like you'd do ok. Next step! ;-)

jj

I might be able to pull it off, but it sounds a little out of my league.
It would depend on how long and steep the grades were. Riding around
here I get some steep grades, but they aren't very long. That's why I
always say total climbing, because it is an endless number of small
climbs. The longest I have documentation for is about 500'. Descending
that one I think a brave person could go about as fast as anyone could
want to go on a bike. There are signs ordering bikers to dismount and
walk down. I just ride my brakes and keep the speed around 40 or so.
Since I'm no Lance, I would want a triple on my road bike for something
like the Death Ride, but I only have a double.

Fred Barney said:

Preston Crawford says...

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Thanks.

When my wife and I were really overweight we used to say things like
"time to go to the 'Fat Guy' store to buy more clothes". It helped us to
"keep it real". And it makes us even more proud of our accomplishments
and realistic about the work left to be done. So I don't think either of
us would find the pun offensive.

Preston

It is an almost super human achievement. Almost nobody is able to do
that.

I don't know about that. I've heard of lots of people who have lost lots
of weight. The rarity, I think, is a couple both losing 150lbs.+ and
keeping it off. I've gained back 40 of the 170lbs. I lost. So I have to
keep it real and make sure I'm clear that it hasn't been easy for me.
I've struggled with anxiety and other issues that have made keeping it
off hard. But I'm by and large still in great shape. 55 resting pulse.
119/59 blood pressure. I'd be very skinny (because of my muscles) at
230. So that's the target off which I bounced and would like to get back
to.

Preston