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Mike Jacoubowsk
Guest
> Pretty good video.
> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language
version of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is
incredible (not the crash itself, but what went on
afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions are
being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language
version of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is
incredible (not the crash itself, but what went on
afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions are
being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Trg
Guest
After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from
Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
),
my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It
helped when I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
What happened with that film?
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Pretty good video.
>> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
>
> Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-
> language version of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's
> crash is incredible (not the crash itself, but what went
> on afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions
> are being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
>
> Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
),my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It
helped when I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
What happened with that film?
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Pretty good video.
>> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
>
> Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-
> language version of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's
> crash is incredible (not the crash itself, but what went
> on afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions
> are being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
>
> Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Henrik Jensen
Guest
"trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
> from Danish TV
last
> year (when I should have been working ), my danish got
> a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when
> I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
>
> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
> What happened with that film?
>
The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
If you should have any translation problems with the TV
program, let me know, maybe I can help.
I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
continue or not.
That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak
even more strange. If he already during the Tour had
contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3 terrible
weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to
Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
Any thoughts?
HB
news:[email protected]...
> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
> from Danish TV
last
> year (when I should have been working
), my danish got> a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when
> I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
>
> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
> What happened with that film?
>
The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
If you should have any translation problems with the TV
program, let me know, maybe I can help.
I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
continue or not.
That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak
even more strange. If he already during the Tour had
contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3 terrible
weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to
Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
Any thoughts?
HB
G
Gym Gravity
Guest
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>
>>After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>>from Danish TV
>
> last
>
>>year (when I should have been working ), my danish got
>>a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when
>>I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>>Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
>>What happened with that film?
>>
>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
>
>
he likes racing?
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>
>>After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>>from Danish TV
>
> last
>
>>year (when I should have been working
), my danish got>>a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when
>>I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>>Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year?
>>What happened with that film?
>>
>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
>
>
he likes racing?
T
Trg
Guest
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>> from Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
>> ), my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle
>> danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>> subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
>> year? What happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand
your question in English Why did Tyler "choose those 3
terrible weeks" for what?
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>> from Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
>>
), my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle>> danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>> subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
>> year? What happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand
your question in English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3terrible weeks" for what?
A
Andrew Martin
Guest
"Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
> > After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
> > from Danish TV
> last
> > year (when I should have been working ), my danish
> > got a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It
> > helped when I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
> >
> > Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
> > year? What happened with that film?
> >
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
Money.
The best way to raise his value was to continue. He had a
great tour, but his market value rose far more than his near-
podium finish. His general appeal was at a high - and with
it, his asking price. Realistically, he has 3-4 years left
to make money as a pro, so he is smart enough to maximise
his earning potential during that time. That way, he can
retire, buy Parlee bikes, and rename them to Hamilton.
-a
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
> > After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
> > from Danish TV
> last
> > year (when I should have been working
), my danish> > got a lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It
> > helped when I watched this video (so did the subtitles).
> >
> > Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
> > year? What happened with that film?
> >
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
Money.
The best way to raise his value was to continue. He had a
great tour, but his market value rose far more than his near-
podium finish. His general appeal was at a high - and with
it, his asking price. Realistically, he has 3-4 years left
to make money as a pro, so he is smart enough to maximise
his earning potential during that time. That way, he can
retire, buy Parlee bikes, and rename them to Hamilton.
-a
T
Trg
Guest
According to Tyler he had a chance to ride on a team
dedicated to one goal- helping him succeed in the TdF. After
seeing how Lance and USPS does it first hand, he didn't
think Riis' multiple objectives would allow him a shot at
the top step.
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>> from Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
>> ), my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle
>> danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>> subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
>> year? What happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
dedicated to one goal- helping him succeed in the TdF. After
seeing how Lance and USPS does it first hand, he didn't
think Riis' multiple objectives would allow him a shot at
the top step.
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed
>> from Danish TV last year (when I should have been working
>>
), my danish got a lot better, at least my "bicycle>> danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>> subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last
>> year? What happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV
> program, let me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly
> seems that Bjarne Riis let Tyler decide if he could
> continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to
> Phonak even more strange. If he already during the Tour
> had contacts with Phonak, why did he choose those 3
> terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC
> who wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract
> almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
T
Tm
Guest
"Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to Tyler)
> that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure about
> his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the
team car went to support Sastre when he was up the road
winning a stage instead of staying with him. That seemed
petty to me.
2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he
spoke he moved naturally without any indication of pain in
his shoulder - even making a sweeping gesture to the team.
From what I had read and heard, I expected him to be in much
more pain.
Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I
miss something because the entire video wasn't in english?
news:[email protected]...
>
> With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to Tyler)
> that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure about
> his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the
team car went to support Sastre when he was up the road
winning a stage instead of staying with him. That seemed
petty to me.
2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he
spoke he moved naturally without any indication of pain in
his shoulder - even making a sweeping gesture to the team.
From what I had read and heard, I expected him to be in much
more pain.
Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I
miss something because the entire video wasn't in english?
H
Hb
Guest
"TM" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> > With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to
> > Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't
sure
> > about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
>
> 1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the
> team car went
to
> support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage
> instead of staying with him. That seemed petty to me.
>
> 2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he
> spoke he moved naturally without any indication of pain in
> his shoulder - even making a sweeping gesture to the team.
> From what I had read and heard, I expected him to be in
> much more pain.
>
> Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I
> miss something because the entire video wasn't in english?
>
>
I don't remember if it is from this program that Riis
comments on his decision to leave Tyler and support Sastre.
But he often calls it "the toughest decision in his career".
It's hard to say if it would have changed the results of the
stage if Riis had stayed with Tyler and let Sastre go for
the win alone. But I guess if he had, and Tyler still would
have lost 2 minutes and Sastre had lost the stage, everyone
(including Tyler and Sastre) would have called it at bad
decision to stay with Tyler. Even if Sastre had won without
Riis by his side, there would have been comments to why Riis
wasn't there for him.
I haven't noticed the gesture part. Back then I wondered
about his winning gesture, where he raises both hands, but
now I think it's possible. I'm just recovering from a
broken collarbone, and I think I could have made a similar
gesture after a couple of weeks. Certainly if I had won a
TdF stage)
HB
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> > With a broken collarbone, and a team (according to
> > Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't
sure
> > about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
>
> 1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the
> team car went
to
> support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage
> instead of staying with him. That seemed petty to me.
>
> 2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he
> spoke he moved naturally without any indication of pain in
> his shoulder - even making a sweeping gesture to the team.
> From what I had read and heard, I expected him to be in
> much more pain.
>
> Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I
> miss something because the entire video wasn't in english?
>
>
I don't remember if it is from this program that Riis
comments on his decision to leave Tyler and support Sastre.
But he often calls it "the toughest decision in his career".
It's hard to say if it would have changed the results of the
stage if Riis had stayed with Tyler and let Sastre go for
the win alone. But I guess if he had, and Tyler still would
have lost 2 minutes and Sastre had lost the stage, everyone
(including Tyler and Sastre) would have called it at bad
decision to stay with Tyler. Even if Sastre had won without
Riis by his side, there would have been comments to why Riis
wasn't there for him.
I haven't noticed the gesture part. Back then I wondered
about his winning gesture, where he raises both hands, but
now I think it's possible. I'm just recovering from a
broken collarbone, and I think I could have made a similar
gesture after a couple of weeks. Certainly if I had won a
TdF stage
)HB
H
Hb
Guest
"trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
> understand your question
in
> English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks"
> for what?
>
>
LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
I'll try this way:
1. He is in great pain
2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
4. The team is not 100% there for him
He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not quite
signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$ but I
think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
maybe even leading to permanent damage.
So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
PR-stunt !!
I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and
certainly uncalled for.
HB
news:[email protected]...
> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
> understand your question
in
> English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks"> for what?
>
>
LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
I'll try this way:
1. He is in great pain
2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
4. The team is not 100% there for him
He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not quite
signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$ but I
think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
maybe even leading to permanent damage.
So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
PR-stunt !!
I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and
certainly uncalled for.
HB
S
Steven L. Sheff
Guest
On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
[email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk>
wrote:
>
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>
>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
>> understand your question
> in
>> English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks"
>> for what?
>>
>>
>
> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>
> I'll try this way:
>
> 1. He is in great pain
> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is
> leaving CSC
> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>
> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
> forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not
> quite signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$
> but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more
> crashes maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>
> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
> PR-stunt !!
>
> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place
> and certainly uncalled for.
Source for these "attacks" is?
All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his earnings,
which CSC can't afford.
The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split
from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be
disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be disappointed to lose
one of his brightest stars?
From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
... another indication that the split from the team was not
as bad as everyone is trying to make things sound.
--
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word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-
ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
[email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk>
wrote:
>
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>
>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
>> understand your question
> in
>> English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks">> for what?
>>
>>
>
> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>
> I'll try this way:
>
> 1. He is in great pain
> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is
> leaving CSC
> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>
> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
> forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not
> quite signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$
> but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more
> crashes maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>
> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
> PR-stunt !!
>
> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place
> and certainly uncalled for.
Source for these "attacks" is?
All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his earnings,
which CSC can't afford.
The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split
from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be
disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be disappointed to lose
one of his brightest stars?
From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
... another indication that the split from the team was not
as bad as everyone is trying to make things sound.
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Trg
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
> [email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-
> sol.dk> wrote:
>
>>
>> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
>> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
>>> understand your question in English Why did Tyler
>>> "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>>
>> I'll try this way:
>>
>> 1. He is in great pain
>> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is
>> leaving CSC
>> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
>> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>>
>> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
>> forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not
>> quite signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$
>> but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more
>> crashes maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>>
>> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
>> PR-stunt !!
>>
>> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place
>> and certainly uncalled for.
>
>
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
> to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
> having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
>
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
> to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
> CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his
> earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious
> split from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis
> might be disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be
> disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
> ... another indication that the split from the team was
> not as bad as everyone is trying to make things sound.
Oh, I see. Well, Tyler had spent the entire season (maybe
his career?) preparing for the Tour. He was probably in the
best physical condition of his career. He's a tough
competitor (Riding the Giro with a broken shoulder and
finishing 2nd, if I recall). He has shown to himself and the
world that he knows how to play through pain. Plus, it's
possible that he didn't want to let the team down. He was
the leader. All these are reasons to continue. Maybe he
learned something from Armstyrong as well- "Pain is
temporary. Quitting lasts forever."
As to his reaction about Riis leaving him to be with Sastre,
perhaps he was feeling a bit of the martyr. "I've been
putting out a superhuman effort in a lot of pain for the
team, and you abandon me." sort of thing. Not very noble,
but I'm inclined to give him some slack. I'm not very nice
to be around when I'm in pain, either.
> On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
> [email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-
> sol.dk> wrote:
>
>>
>> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en
>> meddelelse news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I
>>> understand your question in English
Why did Tyler>>> "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>>
>> I'll try this way:
>>
>> 1. He is in great pain
>> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is
>> leaving CSC
>> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
>> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>>
>> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being
>> forced to stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not
>> quite signed, so the motivation could be to add more $$
>> but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more
>> crashes maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>>
>> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a
>> PR-stunt !!
>>
>> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place
>> and certainly uncalled for.
>
>
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
> to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
> having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
>
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
> to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
> CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his
> earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious
> split from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis
> might be disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be
> disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
> ... another indication that the split from the team was
> not as bad as everyone is trying to make things sound.
Oh, I see. Well, Tyler had spent the entire season (maybe
his career?) preparing for the Tour. He was probably in the
best physical condition of his career. He's a tough
competitor (Riding the Giro with a broken shoulder and
finishing 2nd, if I recall). He has shown to himself and the
world that he knows how to play through pain. Plus, it's
possible that he didn't want to let the team down. He was
the leader. All these are reasons to continue. Maybe he
learned something from Armstyrong as well- "Pain is
temporary. Quitting lasts forever."
As to his reaction about Riis leaving him to be with Sastre,
perhaps he was feeling a bit of the martyr. "I've been
putting out a superhuman effort in a lot of pain for the
team, and you abandon me." sort of thing. Not very noble,
but I'm inclined to give him some slack. I'm not very nice
to be around when I'm in pain, either.
H
Henrik Jensen
Guest
"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:BCE5B56B.343B8%[email protected]...
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
The latest was on Danish TV2 some weeks back. The previous
about the team not supporting him and then a newer twist
where he felt his training under Riis wasn't hard enough.
According to the TV interview, Riis was getting pretty fed
up with hearing these things from Tyler, as he felt their
break had been quite friendly. And with regards to the
training, Riis said he didn't understand it. He felt the
programs proved to be the best, both for Tyler and the
team. And he thinks Tyler still uses the programs,
although he doesn't comment on whether he still trains
Tyler (see: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2-
004/jan04/jan17news )
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
> to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
> having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
>
If Tyler hadn't crashed, he would most probably have been
a real contender to the podium, maybe even #1. No one,
including himself would have called Team CSC's focus
wrong then...
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
> to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
> CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his
> earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
He did seem to get a money offer Team CSC couldn't match,
even if the sponsor tried to provide more cash. A lot would
have made the same choise as he did.
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious
> split from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis
> might be disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be
> disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
True, and that is pretty much what Riis has been saying from
the start. He never commented negatively on Tyler (in
public), which is why I think he now gradually responds so
hard to Tyler's comments.
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
> ... another indication that the split from the team was
> not as bad as everyone is
trying
> to make things sound.
>
Riis rejects the coach rumour. And again, with claims
that Riis' programs weren't good enough for Tyler it
would seem odd.
HB
news:BCE5B56B.343B8%[email protected]...
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
The latest was on Danish TV2 some weeks back. The previous
about the team not supporting him and then a newer twist
where he felt his training under Riis wasn't hard enough.
According to the TV interview, Riis was getting pretty fed
up with hearing these things from Tyler, as he felt their
break had been quite friendly. And with regards to the
training, Riis said he didn't understand it. He felt the
programs proved to be the best, both for Tyler and the
team. And he thinks Tyler still uses the programs,
although he doesn't comment on whether he still trains
Tyler (see: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2-
004/jan04/jan17news )
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity
> to have a team built around him, which CSC couldn't do,
> having too much of a focus on the team and stage wins.
>
If Tyler hadn't crashed, he would most probably have been
a real contender to the podium, maybe even #1. No one,
including himself would have called Team CSC's focus
wrong then...
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants
> to see what he can do with 100% support behind him, which
> CSC couldn't provide, and he needs to maximize his
> earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
He did seem to get a money offer Team CSC couldn't match,
even if the sponsor tried to provide more cash. A lot would
have made the same choise as he did.
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious
> split from the team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis
> might be disappointed, but what DS wouldn't be
> disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
True, and that is pretty much what Riis has been saying from
the start. He never commented negatively on Tyler (in
public), which is why I think he now gradually responds so
hard to Tyler's comments.
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach
> ... another indication that the split from the team was
> not as bad as everyone is
trying
> to make things sound.
>
Riis rejects the coach rumour. And again, with claims
that Riis' programs weren't good enough for Tyler it
would seem odd.
HB
