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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
> Pretty good video.
> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language version of it.
The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is incredible (not the crash itself, but
what went on afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions are
being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language version of it.
The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is incredible (not the crash itself, but
what went on afterward). The sense of being there as the decisions are
being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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trg
Guest
After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV last
year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a lot better, at
least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
subtitles).
Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
with that film?
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Pretty good video.
>> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
>
> Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language version
> of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is incredible (not the
> crash itself, but what went on afterward). The sense of being there
> as the decisions are being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
>
> Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a lot better, atleast my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
subtitles).
Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
with that film?
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Pretty good video.
>> http://www.dr.dk/sporten/html/cykling/smertens.ram
>
> Very impressive, hope they come out with an English-language version
> of it. The stuff surrounding Tyler's crash is incredible (not the
> crash itself, but what went on afterward). The sense of being there
> as the decisions are being made is intense; you really do re-live it.
>
> Great, thought I was going to get to bed early tonight...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Henrik Jensen
Guest
"trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
last
> year (when I should have been working ), my danish got a lot better, at
> least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
> subtitles).
>
> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
> with that film?
>
The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
know, maybe I can help.
I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
(according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
Any thoughts?
HB
news:[email protected]...
> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
last
> year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a lot better, at> least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
> subtitles).
>
> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
> with that film?
>
The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
know, maybe I can help.
I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
(according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
Any thoughts?
HB
G
gym gravity
Guest
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
>
> last
>
>>year (when I should have been working ), my danish got a lot better, at
>>least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>>subtitles).
>>
>>Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
>>with that film?
>>
>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
> know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
> let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
> choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
>
>
he likes racing?
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
>
> last
>
>>year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a lot better, at>>least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
>>subtitles).
>>
>>Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
>>with that film?
>>
>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
> know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
> let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
> choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
>
>
he likes racing?
T
trg
Guest
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish
>> TV last year (when I should have been working ), my danish got a
>> lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched
>> this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What
>> happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let
> me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne
> Riis let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why
> did he choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a
> team (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who
> wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question in
English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish
>> TV last year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a>> lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched
>> this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What
>> happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let
> me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne
> Riis let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why
> did he choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a
> team (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who
> wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question in
English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
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Andrew Martin
Guest
"Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
> > After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
> last
> > year (when I should have been working ), my danish got a lot better, at
> > least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
> > subtitles).
> >
> > Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
> > with that film?
> >
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
> know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
> let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
> choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
Money.
The best way to raise his value was to continue. He had a great tour,
but his market value rose far more than his near-podium finish. His
general appeal was at a high - and with it, his asking price.
Realistically, he has 3-4 years left to make money as a pro, so he is
smart enough to maximise his earning potential during that time. That
way, he can retire, buy Parlee bikes, and rename them to Hamilton.
-a
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
> > After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish TV
> last
> > year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a lot better, at> > least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched this video (so did the
> > subtitles).
> >
> > Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What happened
> > with that film?
> >
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let me
> know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne Riis
> let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why did he
> choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
Money.
The best way to raise his value was to continue. He had a great tour,
but his market value rose far more than his near-podium finish. His
general appeal was at a high - and with it, his asking price.
Realistically, he has 3-4 years left to make money as a pro, so he is
smart enough to maximise his earning potential during that time. That
way, he can retire, buy Parlee bikes, and rename them to Hamilton.
-a
T
trg
Guest
According to Tyler he had a chance to ride on a team dedicated to one goal-
helping him succeed in the TdF. After seeing how Lance and USPS does it
first hand, he didn't think Riis' multiple objectives would allow him a shot
at the top step.
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish
>> TV last year (when I should have been working ), my danish got a
>> lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched
>> this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What
>> happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let
> me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne
> Riis let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why
> did he choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a
> team (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who
> wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
helping him succeed in the TdF. After seeing how Lance and USPS does it
first hand, he didn't think Riis' multiple objectives would allow him a shot
at the top step.
Henrik Jensen wrote:
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>> After watching a lot of the live 2003 TdF internet feed from Danish
>> TV last year (when I should have been working
), my danish got a>> lot better, at least my "bicycle danish". It helped when I watched
>> this video (so did the subtitles).
>>
>> Wasn't there an IMAG crew filming Tyler as well last year? What
>> happened with that film?
>>
>
> The IMAG movie was (originally) scheduled for 2004 IIRC.
>
> If you should have any translation problems with the TV program, let
> me know, maybe I can help.
>
> I think the TV program was great, and it certainly seems that Bjarne
> Riis let Tyler decide if he could continue or not.
>
> That makes the whole "issue" regarding Tylers jump to Phonak even more
> strange. If he already during the Tour had contacts with Phonak, why
> did he choose those 3 terrible weeks? With a broken collarbone, and a
> team (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who
> wasn't sure about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> HB
T
TM
Guest
"Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the team car went to
support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage instead of staying
with him. That seemed petty to me.
2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he spoke he moved
naturally without any indication of pain in his shoulder - even making a
sweeping gesture to the team. From what I had read and heard, I expected
him to be in much more pain.
Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I miss something
because the entire video wasn't in english?
news:[email protected]...
>
> With a broken collarbone, and a team
> (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't sure
> about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the team car went to
support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage instead of staying
with him. That seemed petty to me.
2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he spoke he moved
naturally without any indication of pain in his shoulder - even making a
sweeping gesture to the team. From what I had read and heard, I expected
him to be in much more pain.
Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I miss something
because the entire video wasn't in english?
H
HB
Guest
"TM" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> > With a broken collarbone, and a team
> > (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't
sure
> > about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
>
> 1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the team car went
to
> support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage instead of staying
> with him. That seemed petty to me.
>
> 2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he spoke he moved
> naturally without any indication of pain in his shoulder - even making a
> sweeping gesture to the team. From what I had read and heard, I expected
> him to be in much more pain.
>
> Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I miss something
> because the entire video wasn't in english?
>
>
I don't remember if it is from this program that Riis comments on his
decision to leave Tyler and support Sastre. But he often calls it "the
toughest decision in his career". It's hard to say if it would have changed
the results of the stage if Riis had stayed with Tyler and let Sastre go for
the win alone. But I guess if he had, and Tyler still would have lost 2
minutes and Sastre had lost the stage, everyone (including Tyler and Sastre)
would have called it at bad decision to stay with Tyler. Even if Sastre had
won without Riis by his side, there would have been comments to why Riis
wasn't there for him.
I haven't noticed the gesture part. Back then I wondered about his winning
gesture, where he raises both hands, but now I think it's possible. I'm just
recovering from a broken collarbone, and I think I could have made a similar
gesture after a couple of weeks. Certainly if I had won a TdF stage)
HB
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Henrik Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> > With a broken collarbone, and a team
> > (according to Tyler) that wasn't there for him 100%, a DC who wasn't
sure
> > about his tactics, and a new contract almost signed...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> I watched the video. I was struck by two things:
>
> 1 Tyler felt the team did not support him 100% because the team car went
to
> support Sastre when he was up the road winning a stage instead of staying
> with him. That seemed petty to me.
>
> 2 After Tyler won the stage he spoke to the team. When he spoke he moved
> naturally without any indication of pain in his shoulder - even making a
> sweeping gesture to the team. From what I had read and heard, I expected
> him to be in much more pain.
>
> Does anybody else agree with these observations, or, did I miss something
> because the entire video wasn't in english?
>
>
I don't remember if it is from this program that Riis comments on his
decision to leave Tyler and support Sastre. But he often calls it "the
toughest decision in his career". It's hard to say if it would have changed
the results of the stage if Riis had stayed with Tyler and let Sastre go for
the win alone. But I guess if he had, and Tyler still would have lost 2
minutes and Sastre had lost the stage, everyone (including Tyler and Sastre)
would have called it at bad decision to stay with Tyler. Even if Sastre had
won without Riis by his side, there would have been comments to why Riis
wasn't there for him.
I haven't noticed the gesture part. Back then I wondered about his winning
gesture, where he raises both hands, but now I think it's possible. I'm just
recovering from a broken collarbone, and I think I could have made a similar
gesture after a couple of weeks. Certainly if I had won a TdF stage
)HB
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HB
Guest
"trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
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> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question
in
> English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
>
>
LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
I'll try this way:
1. He is in great pain
2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
4. The team is not 100% there for him
He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to stay in it.
The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the motivation could be to
add more $$ but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
maybe even leading to permanent damage.
So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
uncalled for.
HB
news:[email protected]...
> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question
in
> English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?>
>
LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
I'll try this way:
1. He is in great pain
2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
4. The team is not 100% there for him
He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to stay in it.
The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the motivation could be to
add more $$ but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
maybe even leading to permanent damage.
So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
uncalled for.
HB
S
Steven L. Sheffield
Guest
On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
[email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk>
wrote:
>
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question
> in
>> English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?
>>
>>
>
> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>
> I'll try this way:
>
> 1. He is in great pain
> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>
> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to stay in it.
> The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the motivation could be to
> add more $$ but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
> maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>
> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
>
> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
> uncalled for.
Source for these "attacks" is?
All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a team
built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a focus on the
team and stage wins.
Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see what he
can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't provide, and he
needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't afford.
The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the team
.... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but what DS
wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is trying
to make things sound.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
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[email protected], "HB" <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk>
wrote:
>
> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your question
> in
>> English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible weeks" for what?>>
>>
>
> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>
> I'll try this way:
>
> 1. He is in great pain
> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>
> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to stay in it.
> The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the motivation could be to
> add more $$ but I think that's a major gamble. With the risk of more crashes
> maybe even leading to permanent damage.
>
> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
>
> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
> uncalled for.
Source for these "attacks" is?
All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a team
built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a focus on the
team and stage wins.
Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see what he
can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't provide, and he
needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't afford.
The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the team
.... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but what DS
wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is trying
to make things sound.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
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trg
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
> [email protected], "HB"
> <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk> wrote:
>
>>
>> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your
>>> question in English Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible
>>> weeks" for what?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>>
>> I'll try this way:
>>
>> 1. He is in great pain
>> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
>> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
>> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>>
>> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to
>> stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the
>> motivation could be to add more $$ but I think that's a major
>> gamble. With the risk of more crashes maybe even leading to
>> permanent damage.
>>
>> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
>>
>> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
>> uncalled for.
>
>
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a
> team built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a
> focus on the team and stage wins.
>
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see
> what he can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't
> provide, and he needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't
> afford.
>
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the
> team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but
> what DS wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
> indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is
> trying to make things sound.
Oh, I see. Well, Tyler had spent the entire season (maybe his career?)
preparing for the Tour. He was probably in the best physical condition of
his career. He's a tough competitor (Riding the Giro with a broken shoulder
and finishing 2nd, if I recall). He has shown to himself and the world that
he knows how to play through pain. Plus, it's possible that he didn't want
to let the team down. He was the leader. All these are reasons to continue.
Maybe he learned something from Armstyrong as well- "Pain is temporary.
Quitting lasts forever."
As to his reaction about Riis leaving him to be with Sastre, perhaps he was
feeling a bit of the martyr. "I've been putting out a superhuman effort in a
lot of pain for the team, and you abandon me." sort of thing. Not very
noble, but I'm inclined to give him some slack. I'm not very nice to be
around when I'm in pain, either.
> On 06/04/2004 04:27 AM, in article
> [email protected], "HB"
> <marrone-ALPHA_A-sol.dk> wrote:
>
>>
>> "trg" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I can get by with the Danish, but I'm not sure I understand your
>>> question in English
Why did Tyler "choose those 3 terrible>>> weeks" for what?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Good thing you don't need my translation then ;o)
>>
>> I'll try this way:
>>
>> 1. He is in great pain
>> 2. He is already in contact with Phonak -> he is leaving CSC
>> 3. He thinks Riis is unsure about the teams tactics
>> 4. The team is not 100% there for him
>>
>> He has every reason to quit the race. And is not being forced to
>> stay in it. The contract with Phonak is not quite signed, so the
>> motivation could be to add more $$ but I think that's a major
>> gamble. With the risk of more crashes maybe even leading to
>> permanent damage.
>>
>> So I just don't get it!? Wait...maybe it was all just a PR-stunt !!
>>
>> I find his post-Tour "attacks" on Riis out of the place and certainly
>> uncalled for.
>
>
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a
> team built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a
> focus on the team and stage wins.
>
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see
> what he can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't
> provide, and he needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't
> afford.
>
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the
> team ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but
> what DS wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
> indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is
> trying to make things sound.
Oh, I see. Well, Tyler had spent the entire season (maybe his career?)
preparing for the Tour. He was probably in the best physical condition of
his career. He's a tough competitor (Riding the Giro with a broken shoulder
and finishing 2nd, if I recall). He has shown to himself and the world that
he knows how to play through pain. Plus, it's possible that he didn't want
to let the team down. He was the leader. All these are reasons to continue.
Maybe he learned something from Armstyrong as well- "Pain is temporary.
Quitting lasts forever."
As to his reaction about Riis leaving him to be with Sastre, perhaps he was
feeling a bit of the martyr. "I've been putting out a superhuman effort in a
lot of pain for the team, and you abandon me." sort of thing. Not very
noble, but I'm inclined to give him some slack. I'm not very nice to be
around when I'm in pain, either.
H
Henrik Jensen
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:BCE5B56B.343B8%[email protected]...
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
The latest was on Danish TV2 some weeks back. The previous about the team
not supporting him and then a newer twist where he felt his training under
Riis wasn't hard enough. According to the TV interview, Riis was getting
pretty fed up with hearing these things from Tyler, as he felt their break
had been quite friendly. And with regards to the training, Riis said he
didn't understand it. He felt the programs proved to be the best, both for
Tyler and the team. And he thinks Tyler still uses the programs, although he
doesn't comment on whether he still trains Tyler (see:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news )
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a team
> built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a focus on the
> team and stage wins.
>
If Tyler hadn't crashed, he would most probably have been a real contender
to the podium, maybe even #1. No one, including himself would have called
Team CSC's focus wrong then...
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see what he
> can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't provide, and he
> needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
He did seem to get a money offer Team CSC couldn't match, even if the
sponsor tried to provide more cash. A lot would have made the same choise as
he did.
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the team
> ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but what DS
> wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
True, and that is pretty much what Riis has been saying from the start. He
never commented negatively on Tyler (in public), which is why I think he now
gradually responds so hard to Tyler's comments.
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
> indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is
trying
> to make things sound.
>
Riis rejects the coach rumour. And again, with claims that Riis' programs
weren't good enough for Tyler it would seem odd.
HB
news:BCE5B56B.343B8%[email protected]...
> Source for these "attacks" is?
>
The latest was on Danish TV2 some weeks back. The previous about the team
not supporting him and then a newer twist where he felt his training under
Riis wasn't hard enough. According to the TV interview, Riis was getting
pretty fed up with hearing these things from Tyler, as he felt their break
had been quite friendly. And with regards to the training, Riis said he
didn't understand it. He felt the programs proved to be the best, both for
Tyler and the team. And he thinks Tyler still uses the programs, although he
doesn't comment on whether he still trains Tyler (see:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan17news )
> All I've seen is comments that he left for the opportunity to have a team
> built around him, which CSC couldn't do, having too much of a focus on the
> team and stage wins.
>
If Tyler hadn't crashed, he would most probably have been a real contender
to the podium, maybe even #1. No one, including himself would have called
Team CSC's focus wrong then...
> Tyler only has a few years left in his career ... He wants to see what he
> can do with 100% support behind him, which CSC couldn't provide, and he
> needs to maximize his earnings, which CSC can't afford.
>
He did seem to get a money offer Team CSC couldn't match, even if the
sponsor tried to provide more cash. A lot would have made the same choise as
he did.
> The comments he's made hardly indicate an acrimonious split from the team
> ... I can understand that Bjarne Riis might be disappointed, but what DS
> wouldn't be disappointed to lose one of his brightest stars?
>
True, and that is pretty much what Riis has been saying from the start. He
never commented negatively on Tyler (in public), which is why I think he now
gradually responds so hard to Tyler's comments.
> From what I understand, Tyler still uses Riis as his coach ... another
> indication that the split from the team was not as bad as everyone is
trying
> to make things sound.
>
Riis rejects the coach rumour. And again, with claims that Riis' programs
weren't good enough for Tyler it would seem odd.
HB
