CSC Test Results

No offense intended to the medical health complex--BUT, they are not qualified to analyze doped athlete fitness or performance peaks:

1) most doctors specialize (and not in trauma doping care)

2) ER doctors would know the most drugs in use (10-20%), but are not practiced at milking peak performances out of people. Instead they seek only to stabilize a patient and then transfer the issue to surgery, ICU or to a routine care area.

3) hCT is a big Red Herring. Saline feeds or dehydration can monkey the readings in just 15 minutes time. On a tread mill, your hCT will climb over time w/o a steady H2O intake.

4) In general, vascular surgeons know precious little about steroids, testosterone, EPO micro dosing or the effects of insulin injections upon testosterone and thyroid production. (Floyd Landis case)

5) Onchologists are clueless as to matters of peak performace as well (Pharmstrong immediately flew back to Ferrari when his chemo ended)

It turns out that the best qualified experts of these vital sign readings are often without medical licenses---eg: a Life Science drug researcher or a PhD in blood chemistry (Conconi, Ferrari or Cecchini) or a corrupt doctor who sold out a long time ago (Fuentes) or a professional and compassionate doctor who worked side-by-side with athletes who took steroids and EPO (Testa) or a horse trainer who through trial and error know how to 'top-off-levels' for best results, without killing the patient.

Doping for pro cycling does have a Witch Craft artistry about it. Practical hands-on experience with horses, dogs, pigeons and humans matters.

The doctors on the boards can tell us if it is normal for haematacrit to drop dramatically after a short stage race.

Frigo's Luggage said:

The doctors on the boards can tell us if it is normal for haematacrit to drop dramatically after a short stage race.

I reckon it is BS. Because how is 4 days of Dunkirk, much more intensive than 150 km training days in a 1000 km week of heavy training.

IF you are a single or two up in trainging, you will be in the wind 100% of those 1000 kms.

It is not more intensive. Perhaps if it was cobbles week in the Spring classics, then it might be valid.

Frigo's Luggage said:

The doctors on the boards can tell us if it is normal for haematacrit to drop dramatically after a short stage race.

Common sense can--but a MediCare based doctor cannot.

Bjarne Riis can tell you privately (not on a forum)

Lance Armstrong knows that answer too.

Doctor.House said:

Common sense can--but a MediCare based doctor cannot.

Bjarne Riis can tell you privately (not on a forum)

Lance Armstrong knows that answer too.

sorry to cross post, but i just posted this in response to a similar post:

the thought that popped in my head when i saw the hematocrit graph was that it was very close to my own hematocrit numbers when i was using testosterone cream & injections. my hematocrit level was in the 43- 44 range before i started then shot up to 48 - 49 shortly after starting. the declining hematocrit looked like what happens when one reduces testosterone over time. the additional hematocrit coupled with decreased recovery times was an unexpected benefit from therapy that helped improve the quality of my cycling workouts (aside from libido-related expected benefits).

i am not a doctor, nor a professional bike racer. I am a middle aged male who happens to ride bikes recreationally who has undergone treatment for low testosterone as part of a hormone replacement program for middle aged males. i don't know what constitutes a "microdose" but the amount i was taking was probably pretty low. hematocrit was measured quarterly along with a laundry list of other blood markers that my doctor was watching. My doctor warned me that if my hematocrit ever hit 50%, that i would need to take aspirin as a blood thinner or occasionally donate blood.

i laugh every time i read folks like Landis and his doctors claim that testosterone is not beneficial to endurance athletes. they know better.....

tmctguer said:

sorry to cross post, but i just posted this in response to a similar post:

the thought that popped in my head when i saw the hematocrit graph was that it was very close to my own hematocrit numbers when i was using testosterone cream & injections. my hematocrit level was in the 43- 44 range before i started then shot up to 48 - 49 shortly after starting. the declining hematocrit looked like what happens when one reduces testosterone over time. the additional hematocrit coupled with decreased recovery times was an unexpected benefit from therapy that helped improve the quality of my cycling workouts (aside from libido-related expected benefits).

i am not a doctor, nor a professional bike racer. I am a middle aged male who happens to ride bikes recreationally who has undergone treatment for low testosterone as part of a hormone replacement program for middle aged males. i don't know what constitutes a "microdose" but the amount i was taking was probably pretty low. hematocrit was measured quarterly along with a laundry list of other blood markers that my doctor was watching. My doctor warned me that if my hematocrit ever hit 50%, that i would need to take aspirin as a blood thinner or occasionally donate blood.

i laugh every time i read folks like Landis and his doctors claim that testosterone is not beneficial to endurance athletes. they know better.....

Undoubtedly, this example of first hand practical experience, would explain why FFF did not interview you AND why the Floyd Landis legal team did NOT retain you as an expert witness.

Your testimony would NOT support the Roid Landis defense.