Curious -- Why Do You Continue To Stay With ARBR

On 11 Nov 2004 05:24:40 -0800, [email hidden] (Joe Keenan)

Quoted message said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Because I vastly prefer Usenet to web forums, and putting Ed on
auto-ignore makes ARBR bearable.

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

Joe Keenan said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

MR ED has a very large part of this group under his complete control and
most are unaware of that fact. I filtered him by my 3rd day here but
others are obsessed by him so we have to get his [censored] 2nd hand.

I'm staying with this group as an experiment. I want to see how many people
I have to put in the kill file before it becomes a group about recumbent
bikes again. Anyone who responds to Dolan is in my kill file. Now I can
read this group in five minutes and most of what I read is about recumbent
bikes. To all of you "on topic" people, thank you for all the good info.
To all of you "off topic" people, see ya!

Mike in Kalamazoo

"Joe Keenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

"Joe Keenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

Joe....

Just think of it as a "Reality-Show" that is far more entertaining than
most of those on TV.

jd

It used to be my favorite and I'm waiting ... and patient. I have outwaited
and outwitted most disruptors.

"Joe Keenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

the "REAL" reason to stay here is that you "CAN'T get "BANNED" from here like
someone does from his serious income making board.
and you know who that i'm talking about,now don't you?

Cause here I can tell the sycophants and stepford wives to [censored] off and not
worry about an anal retentive site manager go ballistic protecting his
future bread and butter. It's called freedom of speech!
"Guess Who I Am" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

the "REAL" reason to stay here is that you "CAN'T get "BANNED" from here
like
someone does from his serious income making board.
and you know who that i'm talking about,now don't you?

Because with a decent, threaded newsreader (Mozilla Thunderbird), it's
very easy to separate the wheat from the chaff, and read the stuff that
interests me. Having "grown up" net-wise on rn, I prefer usenet to
web-based discussions.

--
Mark Chandler
Superior, CO
http://www.MileHighSkates.com

Joe Keenan said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination.

1. Reading and writing via a proper newsreader is for me far more
comfortable than via any browser

2. I prefer to be my own moderator who decides what I'm able to write
and to read. It's not only freedom of speech, it's also freedom of
choice.

3. It's simply one alternative to all the other boards and groups I'm
reading and I'm not intending to give it up completely.

4. If you don't expose yourself to the downs of a group, you can't enjoy
the ups entirely. ;-)

Kurt, who likes diversitiy not only in bicycles

Joe Keenan said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

Why not ask the question in its purist form? Why add to it" that given any thread is immediatly subject to contamination".If in fact you could be a little more honest with yourself you would realise that maybe you are part of the problem.Better go back to the brol swimming pool where all the waters are knee deep and no sharks to bite you.

nget said:

.Better go back to the brol swimming pool where all the waters are
knee deep and no sharks to bite you.

Some people (let's call them "Group #1"😉 enjoy being argumentative,
abrasive, obnoxious, and otherwise confrontive. They think any
discussion that happens without confrontation is boring and not
worth while. Rather than finding a place where like-minded people
can argue with each other, they prefer to take over existing groups
and force them into their mold.

Some people ("Group #2"😉 prefer to engage in conversation and civil
exchange without abuse, name-calling, insults, and other confrontive
behavior. They prefer to discuss the topic they're interested in
rather than engaging in arguments and character assassination.

I believe Group #2 vastly outnumbers Group #1. But Group #1
delights in destroying places where other people had useful
conversations.

A year or two ago, ARBR contained almost exclusively people in Group
#2. We had many fun and productive conversations, and everyone
seemed to enjoy the group.

In the last year or two, a few people in Group #1 have roosted in
ARBR. They have made it their crusade to impose their style onto
many/most posts.

Most people in Group #2 find confrontive posts annoying and
distracting. Many discussions veer off from the intended topic to
an argument about one thing or another. Many of these Group #2
people have decided ARBR is no longer a fun place to talk about
recumbents, so they've moved to places like BROL that exclude
insulting and abusive posters. Since the Group #1 types choose not
to have their confrontive arguments in a place that welcomes
confrontive arguments, but prefer to take over and destroy
nonconfrontive environments, the Group #2 types are forced to go
somewhere that excludes Group #1. It's like people who live in a
nice neighborhood who have to move because a bunch of thugs and
hoods takes over the place, breaking windows and destroying
property. Group #1 is the cyberspace equivalent of those thugs and
hoods.

nget, if you want to call places like BROL "wading pools," you go
right ahead. I imagine gangbangers think of nice neighborhoods as
"wading pools" and themselves as "sharks" too. When actually
they're just cheap crooks.

It's a shame you "sharks" think it's so much fun to [censored] and [censored] in
the ARBR pool. You're just fouling something nice and ruining it
for the vast majority of people who prefer not to wallow in their
own filth.

"Kurt Fischer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Joe Keenan said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination.

1. Reading and writing via a proper newsreader is for me far more
comfortable than via any browser

2. I prefer to be my own moderator who decides what I'm able to write
and to read. It's not only freedom of speech, it's also freedom of
choice.

3. It's simply one alternative to all the other boards and groups I'm
reading and I'm not intending to give it up completely.

4. If you don't expose yourself to the downs of a group, you can't enjoy
the ups entirely. ;-)

Kurt, who likes diversitiy not only in bicycles

Gee Kurt - you are allowing your brain moderate the group for you. You must
have a really cool brain.

It must be hard programming a brain for self moderation - so few others seem
to be able to do it. Congratulations.

why don't we admit to it that "ED [censored] DOLAN and a couple other [censored] has
made this board not as attractive as it used to be for some people.
and IMO if we ALL want this board to better we should all, including myself,
should stick to recumbent and bicycle topics only. lets forget about all of the
OT'S and other nonrelated [censored].
OK
that means you Mr. Dolan and you also Mr. Sherman.
lets stop it NOW, OK!

quote='Gary Fritz'nget said:

.Better go back to the brol swimming pool where all the waters are
knee deep and no sharks to bite you.

Some people (let's call them "Group #1"😉 enjoy being argumentative,
abrasive, obnoxious, and otherwise confrontive. They think any
discussion that happens without confrontation is boring and not
worth while. Rather than finding a place where like-minded people
can argue with each other, they prefer to take over existing groups
and force them into their mold.

Some people ("Group #2"😉 prefer to engage in conversation and civil
exchange without abuse, name-calling, insults, and other confrontive
behavior. They prefer to discuss the topic they're interested in
rather than engaging in arguments and character assassination.

I believe Group #2 vastly outnumbers Group #1. But Group #1
delights in destroying places where other people had useful
conversations.

A year or two ago, ARBR contained almost exclusively people in Group
#2. We had many fun and productive conversations, and everyone
seemed to enjoy the group.

In the last year or two, a few people in Group #1 have roosted in
ARBR. They have made it their crusade to impose their style onto
many/most posts.

Most people in Group #2 find confrontive posts annoying and
distracting. Many discussions veer off from the intended topic to
an argument about one thing or another. Many of these Group #2
people have decided ARBR is no longer a fun place to talk about
recumbents, so they've moved to places like BROL that exclude
insulting and abusive posters. Since the Group #1 types choose not
to have their confrontive arguments in a place that welcomes
confrontive arguments, but prefer to take over and destroy
nonconfrontive environments, the Group #2 types are forced to go
somewhere that excludes Group #1. It's like people who live in a
nice neighborhood who have to move because a bunch of thugs and
hoods takes over the place, breaking windows and destroying
property. Group #1 is the cyberspace equivalent of those thugs and
hoods.

nget, if you want to call places like BROL "wading pools," you go
right ahead. I imagine gangbangers think of nice neighborhoods as
"wading pools" and themselves as "sharks" too. When actually
they're just cheap crooks.

It's a shame you "sharks" think it's so much fun to [censored] and [censored] in
the ARBR pool. You're just fouling something nice and ruining it
for the vast majority of people who prefer not to wallow in their
own filth.[/QUOTE]
Group #2 also [censored] and [censored] as do group#1 but when they do they call their [censored] jelly beans and they [censored] lemonade.Your idea of nice might just have a very unpleasant odor to someone else.I prefer not to be confined to the shallow end of the pool,but I am free to go there if I wish.If group#2 has a place to go then what is the problem?Are they all control freaks like you?

"Joe Keenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination. (I'm being kind) Yup, I'm a
"usta be" and just stopped in to see if things had changed in a few
months.

Slow Joe Recumbo

So why do *you* continue to stay Mr. Joe? Just idle curiosity? Time on
your hands? Nothing else better to do? Can't get arbr out of you system?

What business is it of yours what others choose to do?

This is Usenet. Usenet is what it is and if you can't deal with it then my
advice is to limit yourself to the moderated forums. There are many other
choices so if arbr isn't to your liking why don't you quietly move on and
stop posting here.

..

On 11 Nov 2004 19:44:28 GMT, Gary Fritz <[email hidden]> wrote
in message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Some people (let's call them "Group #1"😉 enjoy being argumentative,
abrasive, obnoxious, and otherwise confrontive.

No we don't!

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

I'm sorry, this is ABUSE. If you want ARGUMENTS, it's down the hall.
"Gary Fritz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

nget said:

.Better go back to the brol swimming pool where all the waters are
knee deep and no sharks to bite you.

Some people (let's call them "Group #1"😉 enjoy being argumentative,
abrasive, obnoxious, and otherwise confrontive. They think any
discussion that happens without confrontation is boring and not
worth while. Rather than finding a place where like-minded people
can argue with each other, they prefer to take over existing groups
and force them into their mold.

Some people ("Group #2"😉 prefer to engage in conversation and civil
exchange without abuse, name-calling, insults, and other confrontive
behavior. They prefer to discuss the topic they're interested in
rather than engaging in arguments and character assassination.

I believe Group #2 vastly outnumbers Group #1. But Group #1
delights in destroying places where other people had useful
conversations.

A year or two ago, ARBR contained almost exclusively people in Group
#2. We had many fun and productive conversations, and everyone
seemed to enjoy the group.

In the last year or two, a few people in Group #1 have roosted in
ARBR. They have made it their crusade to impose their style onto
many/most posts.

Most people in Group #2 find confrontive posts annoying and
distracting. Many discussions veer off from the intended topic to
an argument about one thing or another. Many of these Group #2
people have decided ARBR is no longer a fun place to talk about
recumbents, so they've moved to places like BROL that exclude
insulting and abusive posters. Since the Group #1 types choose not
to have their confrontive arguments in a place that welcomes
confrontive arguments, but prefer to take over and destroy
nonconfrontive environments, the Group #2 types are forced to go
somewhere that excludes Group #1. It's like people who live in a
nice neighborhood who have to move because a bunch of thugs and
hoods takes over the place, breaking windows and destroying
property. Group #1 is the cyberspace equivalent of those thugs and
hoods.

nget, if you want to call places like BROL "wading pools," you go
right ahead. I imagine gangbangers think of nice neighborhoods as
"wading pools" and themselves as "sharks" too. When actually
they're just cheap crooks.

It's a shame you "sharks" think it's so much fun to [censored] and [censored] in
the ARBR pool. You're just fouling something nice and ruining it
for the vast majority of people who prefer not to wallow in their
own filth.

skip said:

Gee Kurt - you are allowing your brain moderate the group for you. You must
have a really cool brain.

No wonder, I'm riding in 0°C here this days, that's 32°F. ;-)

Quoted message said:

It must be hard programming a brain for self moderation - so few others seem
to be able to do it. Congratulations.

No, I think everyone has ( or at least had ) the ability to do it. But
it takes training. Just as muscles have to be trained for strength and
proper function, that's also true for our brain. And the best training
for our brain is thinking and weighing something. Of course, this will
turn into work eventually, and that's why many folks are happy and
thankful if someone else is willing to do this work, in this case the
moderators.

But usenet after all is about information, and I want my information
first hand and not spoon-fed by others. I'm also over at BROL and at the
moment Bryan seems to block only non-cycling related stuff. That's fine
with me as it helps to find on topic information. But as soon as I'm
getting the impression the moderators over there are trying to filter
out information about recumbents also, I will stay away from there.
Actually I'm hoping this will never be the case, but we have to be
alert.

Kurt

Joe Keenan said:

I'm curious why folks stay with this newsgroup given that any thread
is immediately subject to contamination.

One-click killfiling :-))

Mike