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  1. Over the years I have tried so many techniques for baking a custard pie
    that I've probably forgotten most of them. Notable among them is the
    "slipped custard" method where the crust and filling are baked separately,
    the filling being "slipped" into the shell after both are cool. While this
    does produce a flaky pastry and a properly set custard, I personally don't
    like it and won't make it that way again. I've also tried most of the
    temperature variations but all that I tried produced unacceptable results.

    My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it bubbles
    up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various places
    throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently the weight
    of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust down. If I
    partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve the flaky
    pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.

    A recipe and technique I tried this afternoon, however, finally resulted in
    a pie that worked and is very good.

    I made my usual pastry, fitted into a metal pie pan. The edge of the
    pastry was shielded with foil.

    The proportion of ingredients in the filling was not remarkable, however,
    the eggs, sugar, vanilla, and a pinch of salt were gently beaten together.
    Next, the cream and milk were combined and scalded, then quickly combined
    with the egg mixture and poured into the raw pastry.

    High temperature baking is the departure from all the traditional recipes.
    The oven was preheated to 475°F. The pie was baked for 5 minutes, then the
    temperature was reduced to 425°F. The pie was baked for an additional 20
    minutes until the filling was firm, but just barely shaky. The result was
    a perfectly baked crust and a properly firm filling wihtout over baking.

    It would seem that the very high initial temperature quickly sets the
    crust and prevents it from bubbling up into the filling, then the slightly
    reduced temperature continues baking the crust to doneness without it
    becoming soggy. The pre-warmed filling sets more quickly, and the overall
    baking time is significantly less than more traditional methods.

    The high temperatures fly in the face of virtually every custard pie recipe
    I've ever seen, but it seems to the job, and properly.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  2. Wayne Boatwright said:

    My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it bubbles
    up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various places
    throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently the weight
    of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust down. If I
    partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve the flaky
    pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

  3. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright said:

    My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently
    the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust
    down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve
    the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using slightly
    beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  4. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright said:

    My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently
    the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust
    down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve
    the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using slightly
    beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  5. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright said:

    My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently
    the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust
    down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve
    the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using slightly
    beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.


    Thanks to both of you for the 411. If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  6. Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

  7. Curly Sue said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    > bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    > places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable. Apparently
    > the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep the crust
    > down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends to dissolve
    > the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and pan.
    >

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using slightly
    beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.


    Thanks to both of you for the 411. If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    Sue(tm)

    There used to be a pie-baker in Marshalltown, Iowa (home of the best
    Maid-Rites in the world) named Queenie, who made custard pies for the
    MR there - she always sprinkled some Grape-Nuts in the bottom of the
    crust before filling it, and I still do that today. It just adds a
    little something.

    N.

  8. sf said:
    Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    Made that last weekend - one for now, one for the freezer - and then my
    grandson's mom called and said she was powerful-hankerin' for a quiche,
    so it's going over to her house tonight. Drat, now I have to make two
    more! LOL.

    N.

  9. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 11:11:50a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly Sue?

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    > bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    > places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable.
    > Apparently the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to keep
    > the crust down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the filling tends
    > to dissolve the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak between crust and
    > pan.
    >

    I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk seems
    to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.

    N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using slightly
    beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.


    Thanks to both of you for the 411. If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    You're welcome. Well, maybe apres-holiday.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  10. sf said:

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    ....simply because you're near me...

    Bob

  11. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 11:18:27a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it sf?

    Quoted message said:
    Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    I love quiche and haven't made one in far too long. I've never had the
    problem with quiche that I used to have with custard pie, I suppose because
    of the added heavier ingredients.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  12. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:18:27 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  13. "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Crustless, yet there's Bisquick involved? Can you describe
    it?

    nancy

  14. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 12:15:34p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy1?

    Quoted message said:


    Curly Sue said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 07:44:48a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
    Nancy1?

    >
    > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    >> My pastry recipe and technique produces such a flaky pastry that it
    >> bubbles up into the custard, often reaching the surface, in various
    >> places throughout the pie. This is obviously unacceptable.
    >> Apparently the weight of the thin custard isn't heavy enough to
    >> keep the crust down. If I partially pre-bake the crust, the
    >> filling tends to dissolve the flaky pastry on the bottom and leak
    >> between crust and pan.
    >>
    >
    > I fix the leaky bottom (or side) crust problem by blind baking the
    > crust AFTER brushing it with slightly beaten egg yolk. The yolk
    > seems to seal it nicely without destroying its flakiness.
    >
    > N.

    Thanks, Nancy. I may give egg yolk a try. I have tried using
    slightly beaten egg white which proved to be ineffective.


    Thanks to both of you for the 411. If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    Sue(tm)

    There used to be a pie-baker in Marshalltown, Iowa (home of the best
    Maid-Rites in the world) named Queenie, who made custard pies for the
    MR there - she always sprinkled some Grape-Nuts in the bottom of the
    crust before filling it, and I still do that today. It just adds a
    little something.

    N.

    That's an interesting addition. I really love Grape-Nuts. I'll have to
    give that a try as well. Thanks, Nancy.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  15. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 12:43:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly Sue?

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:18:27 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Years ago when the "crustless" craze first started I tried a few. I have
    to admit it's a good, quick dinner, but I'm too enthused about the
    doughiness and the lack of a real crust. Guess I'm too picky. :-)

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  16. Nancy Young said:


    "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Crustless, yet there's Bisquick involved? Can you describe
    it?

    It's really like a crustless quiche and it's really very good. Here's
    the recipe. I like it with ham and squeezed spinach instead of the
    chicken and broccoli. In fact, I just chop the cheese, ham, and onion
    each separately in the food processor, then layer everything in the
    pie plate (9"😉.

    http://www.bettycrocker.com/recipes/recipe.aspx?recipeId=34582

    Impossibly Easy Chicken 'n Broccoli Pie

    1 package (10 ounces) frozen chopped broccoli, thawed and drained
    1 1/2 cups shredded Cheddar cheese (6 ounces)
    1 cup cut-up cooked chicken
    1 medium onion, chopped (1/2 cup)
    1/2 cup Original Bisquick® mix
    1 cup milk
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/4 teaspoon pepper
    2 eggs

    1. Heat oven to 400ºF. Grease 9-inch pie plate. Sprinkle broccoli, 1
    cup of the cheese, the chicken and onion in pie plate.
    2. Stir Bisquick mix, milk, salt, pepper and eggs until blended.
    Pour into pie plate.
    3. Bake 30 to 35 minutes or until knife inserted in center comes out
    clean. Sprinkle with remaining cheese. Bake 1 to 2 minutes longer or
    just until cheese is melted. Cool 5 minutes.

    High Altitude (3500-6500 ft)
    Bake 35 to 40 minutes.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  17. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 12:43:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly Sue?

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:18:27 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:11:50 GMT, Curly Sue wrote:

    > If I didn't already have so much
    > stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    > upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Years ago when the "crustless" craze first started I tried a few. I have
    to admit it's a good, quick dinner, but I'm too enthused about the
    doughiness and the lack of a real crust. Guess I'm too picky. :-)

    With the original impossible pies came out you were supposed to let it
    sit a while before cooking so the flour would settle out and form a
    crust. This one is more like a crustless quiche, crustless-yes,
    doughy-no.

    I like the lack of crust for routine use because most of the calories
    and fat are in the crust.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  18. On Fri 11 Nov 2005 04:50:17p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly Sue?

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Fri 11 Nov 2005 12:43:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly


    Sue?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:18:27 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:11:50 GMT, Curly Sue wrote:
    >
    >> If I didn't already have so much
    >> stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    >> upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂
    >
    >I'm in the mood for quiche!

    I've been making a crustless quiche (one of those Bisquick
    "Impossibles"😉. It's a good, quick dinner and the only way the
    Resident College Student will eat spinach.

    Years ago when the "crustless" craze first started I tried a few. I have
    to admit it's a good, quick dinner, but I'm too enthused about the
    doughiness and the lack of a real crust. Guess I'm too picky. :-)

    With the original impossible pies came out you were supposed to let it
    sit a while before cooking so the flour would settle out and form a
    crust. This one is more like a crustless quiche, crustless-yes,
    doughy-no.

    I like the lack of crust for routine use because most of the calories
    and fat are in the crust.

    But...but...that's the best part! :-)

    Actually, I'll have to give the recipe you posted a try. It's been years
    since I tried crustless anything. Maybe I'll be more impressed with this
    one.

    Thanks, Sue.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  19. "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:59:49 -0500, "Nancy Young"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Crustless, yet there's Bisquick involved? Can you describe
    it?

    It's really like a crustless quiche and it's really very good. Here's
    the recipe. I like it with ham and squeezed spinach instead of the
    chicken and broccoli. In fact, I just chop the cheese, ham, and onion
    each separately in the food processor, then layer everything in the
    pie plate (9"😉.

    Thanks! Sounds great, I'll make that.

    nancy

  20. Nancy1 said:


    sf said:
    Curly Sue said:

    If I didn't already have so much
    stuff around that I'm trying to clear away to make room for the
    upcoming holiday supplies, I'd make a custard pie 🙂

    I'm in the mood for quiche!

    Made that last weekend - one for now, one for the freezer - and then my
    grandson's mom called and said she was powerful-hankerin' for a quiche,
    so it's going over to her house tonight. Drat, now I have to make two
    more! LOL.


    Oh, poor little you....

    sf <laughing>

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