Custom Habanero : Beer'Cross

"ClydesdaleMTB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

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John G drink, ride, repeat

The question remains, Custom or Customized?

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"ClydesdaleMTB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

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John G drink, ride, repeat

The question remains, Custom or Customized?

I don't know, is that a stock bottle opener or was it built to John's spec?

RE/

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It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

That's a *lot* of steering (head? dunno which is which) tube.

How tall are you?
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PeteCresswell

Lightweight said:

The question remains, Custom or Customized?

Does this answer your question:

rough draft: shavings.netCXhab1.jpgOpen ↗

getting closer: shavings.netCXhab2.jpgOpen ↗

fire up the torches: shavings.netCrossRev3.GIFOpen ↗

(Pete Cresswell) said:

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Quoted message said:

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

That's a *lot* of steering (head? dunno which is which) tube.

How tall are you?

6'3" but I have short legs, only a 33" inseam. Might say I'm "all torso". So to get a good fit I
need a tall head-tube and a seriously sloped top tube for proper McNugget clearence. It's goofy
looking but it works for me.

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"ClydesdaleMTB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

--
John G drink, ride, repeat

The question remains, Custom or Customized?

I've seen the drawings for it. There's no question about it being custom.

Paul MacIntyre said:

I don't know, is that a stock bottle opener or was it built to John's spec?

They are the same bottle openers as sold by DirtRag as seen in my prototype pictures:

shavings.netopener top.jpgOpen ↗
shavings.netopener under.jpgOpen ↗

Except I them un-embossed, directly from the manufacturer just for this purpose there were 4 titanum
bottle openers in all... #1 was sacrificed in testing, #2 was welded to the frame, Mark kept one,
and I have the other (I wear around my neck)

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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RE/

Quoted message said:

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

That's a *lot* of steering (head? dunno which is which) tube.

How tall are you?
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PeteCresswell

Looks about right to me. When I do a custom frame, I want the head tube long enough so that with a
couple of 5mm spacers, I wouldn't even need to cut the steerer tube on most forks. I'm 6' 5" with a
35" inseam and I really like the 185mm headtubes on my 22.5" steel hardtails. In fact, I had just
started talking to Mark Hickey about doing an MTB frame for me. But I want to wait to see what the
neurosurgeon says about some things the radiologist found on a MRI I had done of my back after a
recent ski accident.

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6'3" but I have short legs, only a 33" inseam. Might say I'm "all torso". So to get a good fit I
need a tall head-tube and a seriously sloped top tube for proper McNugget clearence. It's goofy
looking but it works for me.

I had a frame made locally - was going to get SyCip's "Diesel", but thought I'd be being a jerk not
to go to the guy around here. So far, it's an ongoing debacle. I've still got to ride the thing for
a few hundred miles - but my expectation is that I'll cut my losses and just order another frame
from somebody else.

Habenero was on my short list, but then the local guy popped up. Checked with Hab again after the
debacle part started to become obvious...but they don't do S&S couplings....

My main reservation about dealing with somebody that'll never see me is the fit. (OTOH, it didn't
work out all that wonderfully here, face-to-face...)...

I'm guessing you've never been to Habenero, right? If so, how did the fitting process go? Seems like
I heard you saying you had another frame from them. Is this one to correct something that went wrong
on the first one?
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PeteCresswell

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Habenero was on my short list, but then the local guy popped up. Checked with Hab again after the
debacle part started to become obvious...but they don't do S&S couplings....

Who can't? Mark or S&S?

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My main reservation about dealing with somebody that'll never see me is the fit. (OTOH, it didn't
work out all that wonderfully here, face-to-face...)...

I had my reservations as well but Mark got it right.

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I'm guessing you've never been to Habenero, right?

Never.

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If so, how did the fitting process go?

I measures certain specs on my previous bike, answered some questions about what I liked what I
didn't what I wanted to change.... as well as my personal dimentions. He plugs it all into his brain
does some clickety-click in CAD and <[censored]>

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Seems like I heard you saying you had another frame from them.

Yes the Mountian bike: shavings.netcurrent HAB 07 21 01.jpgOpen ↗

As an IceBike: shavings.neticebike.jpgOpen ↗

My wife got jealous and I had to get her one too:
shavings.netkarenhabdone.jpgOpen ↗

So we actually have _3_ Habanero's.

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Is this one to correct something that went wrong on the first one?

Nope, this one is because the first one was so damned perfect.

I really wanted a CycloCross/Roadie(freak)/touring bike bike.... so I had Mark make me one.. it's
really all 3 in one, (and it's got enough clearence between the stays to mount a 2.3, 29" should I
decide to go that route, one day ;-)

(Pete Cresswell) said:

I had a frame made locally - was going to get SyCip's "Diesel", but thought I'd be being a jerk
not to go to the guy around here. So far, it's an ongoing debacle. I've still got to ride the
thing for a few hundred miles - but my expectation is that I'll cut my losses and just order
another frame from somebody else.

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PeteCresswell

Mmm... Sycip. Got one, liked it so much, got a second. Magic.

Miles

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ClydesdaleMTB <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

Huh? Is that a road bike?

JD

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Paul MacIntyre said:

I don't know, is that a stock bottle opener or was it built to John's spec?

They are the same bottle openers as sold by DirtRag as seen in my prototype pictures:

shavings.netopener top.jpgOpen ↗
shavings.netopener under.jpgOpen ↗

Except I them un-embossed, directly from the manufacturer just for this purpose there were 4
titanum bottle openers in all... #1 was sacrificed in testing, #2 was welded to the frame, Mark
kept one, and I have the other (I wear around my neck)

Well it looks good. But the only problem I see is that you'll have to get off the bike to use it.
This might be a design flaw depending on how you see it.

Paul

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I'm 6' 5" with a 35" inseam and I really like the 185mm headtubes on my 22.5" steel hardtails.

Who does them for you?
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PeteCresswell

JD said:

ClydesdaleMTB <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

Huh? Is that a road bike?

Perish the thought! I know it LOOKS like one with those slicks on it, but it realy is a CycloCross
bike. Once the knobbies and dirt drop bar go on it'll be all okay.

"ClydesdaleMTB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Looking good so far...

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Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

But of course...

- CA-G

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"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I'm 6' 5" with a 35" inseam and I really like the 185mm headtubes on my 22.5" steel hardtails.

Who does them for you?

Trek.

Both my full rigid and my hardtail use Trek steel frames. Up until 1997 or so most of the major
manufacturers made steel hardtails in that size with headtubes that long. When I bought my 1998
Schwinn s20 FS (a 23" frame with a 190mm headtube), Schwinn also offered their Moab steel hardtail
in the same size.

Since these frames work well for me and I am very comfortable on them, I have no troubles using them
as the basis for a custom one. Serotta would be my first choice for a custom steel MTB frame because
my favorite LBS is a Serotta dealer. But I really want to do disc brakes on my next MTB and when Ben
Serotta was at the shop recently, he told me they weren't offering disc mounts on their Odile steel
hardtail. Serotta offers their CHT Ti hardtail with disc mounts but it's $2895 and for that kind of
money, I decided I'd rather do a Habanero MTB and cross frame like John has done.

One manufacturer I'd consider for steel frames is Curtlo. They're among the least expensive for
custom steel frames and seem to have good experience with Clydesdales.

ClydesdaleMTB said:

Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Of course the most important feature of the bike:
shavings.netbeertool.jpgOpen ↗

V E R Y N I C E!!

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

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Quoted message said:

Just a little tease until I get the rest of the pictures downloaded

It has the road tires on it right now for building purposes:
shavings.netrolling chassis.jpgOpen ↗

Looking good. Say.... How many spokes do those wheels have....

Cheers,

-Andrew