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  1. I have a 28" wheel with a tire that is marked as follows:

    700 x 45c - 28 x 1 5/8 x 1 3/4

    I bought and installed an inexpensive 'UDC / Pyramid cycle computer'
    (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=491).

    The instructions include settings for standard wheel sizes including the
    following:

    28" (700B) --- 2237

    When I measure the outer diameter of the tire (with a seamstress tape),
    I get 2500 mm. I know it's inexact, but should I expect to be off 2.63
    cm? Am I measuring the correct thing?

    Using 2237 as the C-factor, I just surfed down the pretty steep hill
    next to my house in the dark at 13.7 mph. My uni has 102mm cranks, and I
    have a subtle death wish and a great deal of fast twitch muscle fiber.
    Is there any chance this is accurate?

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  2. Knowing you, it is. Also knowing you, you did that w/o any safety
    equipment. I have heard others on this forum say that your brain is
    your best piece of safety equipment, but if you were doing 13+mph on
    your 28 with 102's in the rain after dusk... I'd say you were completly
    w/o safety equipment.😄 Were was your wife? You are so in trouble if
    she starts reading this forum.😉

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  3. C = (28" * 2.54) * Π = 223.43 cm

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  4. I measure my tire's circumference by laying a thin line of water on the
    dry floor of the parking garage downstairs, riding over it, and
    measuring the distance between the line of water and the damp dot
    tracked by the tire. It doesn't account for wobble, but I guess it's as
    accurate as any other method I've used.

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  5. James_Potter said:

    *C = (28" * 2.54) * Π = 223.43 cm *

    Thanks JP. My next question is whence 28"? If it's supposed to be the
    outer diameter of the tire, I think it's a little short - at least by my
    crude measurement method. How much error is there in such a measure
    anyway? And how does it affect the calculated speed? If the true
    circumference is greater than the C-factor I've entered, I'm actually
    going faster than the calculated speed, correct? If it's less, I'm
    going slower. (Methinks.)

    weeble said:

    *I measure my tire's circumference by laying a thin line of water on
    the dry floor of the parking garage downstairs, riding over it, and
    measuring the distance between the line of water and the damp dot
    tracked by the tire. It doesn't account for wobble, but I guess it's
    as accurate as any other method I've used.*

    I like this idea. Thanks. I'm going to try it today. Plus now we know
    for certain that Weeble's wheel wobbles, but it don't fall down.

    Bugman said:

    *Knowing you, it is. Also knowing you, you did that w/o any safety
    equipment. I have heard others on this forum say that your brain is
    your best piece of safety equipment, but if you were doing 13+mph on
    your 28 with 102's in the rain after dusk... I'd say you were
    completly w/o safety equipment. Were was your wife? You are so in
    trouble if she starts reading this forum.*

    I was wearing my underwear, flipflops and fuzzy earmuffs. (I couldn't
    find my aviator's cap.) What else do I need? I mean, what do you
    suppose motivates a guy to ride down a $90 unicycle that way anyway?

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  6. A mile is 1609344 mm.

    If I use the three C-factors I have from JP's calculations (a), the
    cycle computer instructions (b) and my seamstress tape measurement (c)
    to calcluate revolutions...

    a) 1609344 / 2234 = 720.39 revolutions per mile
    b) 1609344 / 2237 = 719.42 revolutions per mile
    c) 1609344 / 2250 = 715.26 revolutions per mile

    If my outer diameter measure is correct, I rode 4 extra revolutions,
    making my "mile" about 11.5 meters too long.

    (I'll have to figure out later how to calculate the effect on speed of
    the extra 11.5 meters.)

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  7. All wheel sizes are nominal. A 700c is not exactly 700 mm across. A 20
    inch tyre is not exactly 20 inches across. There is also variation
    according to tyre pressure and the weight of the rider.

    Take the diameter, measured between two vertical sticks (or a door post
    and a spirit level). Choose your units (inches, millimetres, cubits,
    hands, whatever) and multiply by 3.142.

    That will give you the circumference of the tyre at normal pressure with
    no weight on it.

    Knock about a centimetre off the diameter for deformation of the tyre
    when ridng, if you must.

    1 centimetre off a 70 cm nominal tyre size will make 1.4% difference.
    At speeds of around 10 mph, that's negligible unless you are
    obsessive.

    Most of the time, you will be measuring against your own previous
    achievements anyway, and the level of inaccuracy will be exactly
    constant, and therefore irrelevant.

    If you are competing against someone else, variables like their route,
    the wind speed and so on will make more difference than any honest error
    in the setting up of your computer.

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  8. Mikefule said:

    *Most of the time, you will be measuring against your own previous
    achievements anyway, and the level of inaccuracy will be exactly
    constant, and therefore irrelevant.*

    Well said! Thanks. (To wit: Today I hit at least 15.8 mph.)

    Thanks as well for the technical detail. Very helpful.

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