Cyclocomputers: a dumb comment.

No, I agree. Cyclometer does just fine. And they - computers - have a
'clock'.

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're
speedometers
with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some actual
computing. But electronic speedometers were being called computers long
before
those things were invented.

Just a random, misfiring synapse.

Ron

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're

speedometers

Quoted message said:

with a clock, if that.

Ron

Bicycle speedometer (plastic) = $50
Cyclocomputers (polycarbonate) = $100

Cam

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're speedometers
with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some actual
computing. But electronic speedometers were being called computers long before
those things were invented.

All of them have a little CPU that does some computing in order to
accommodate any wheel sizes and to be able to compute average speed.

I actually have an old electronic speedometer that only allows for 3 or
4 wheel sizes and no avg speed or clock. Since it has no cpu, the
battery can last almost forever.
GH

cc011 said:

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're
speedometers with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some
actual computing. But electronic speedometers were being called
computers long before those things were invented.

All of them have a little CPU that does some computing in order to
accommodate any wheel sizes and to be able to compute average speed.

I actually have an old electronic speedometer that only allows for 3
or 4 wheel sizes and no avg speed or clock. Since it has no cpu, the
battery can last almost forever.
GH

So what does that make my washing machine then? A WashoComputer 😉
Actually my moms dishwasher started acting up once and wouldn't run the
cycles she programmed it to do. I did a cold boot by pulling the plug and
restarting it. This enabled the CPU to reset from Zero and everything worked
just fine again 😉

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

cc011 said:

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're speedometers
with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some actual
computing. But electronic speedometers were being called computers long before
those things were invented.

All of them have a little CPU that does some computing in order to
accommodate any wheel sizes and to be able to compute average speed.

Yeah, there's a processor. Does that really make it a computer. I dunno. In this
world where near everything's got a CPU, even for jobs that can be handled by
dumb logic, it's a stretch. Like another fellow pointed out even dishwashers
have replaced rotary motorized timers with digital.

Quoted message said:

I actually have an old electronic speedometer that only allows for 3 or
4 wheel sizes and no avg speed or clock. Since it has no cpu, the
battery can last almost forever.

I guess so. Just for geekiness sake, how's it do it? Charge an RC circuit?

Ron

RonSonic wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

Yeah, there's a processor. Does that really make it a computer.

(snip)

IBM developed and marketed "processors", what the rest of the world
called as computers.
So yes, when there's a processor under the hood (so to speak) then the
complete assembly is a computer ... and then some.

Michael said:

RonSonic wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

Yeah, there's a processor. Does that really make it a computer.

(snip)

IBM developed and marketed "processors", what the rest of the world
called as computers.
So yes, when there's a processor under the hood (so to speak) then the
complete assembly is a computer ... and then some.

If they have "something like" an 8051, then I don't know. That is called a
"microcontroller," rather than a "microprocessor." It has an instruction set,
as does something like an 8086. I don't know. Does it matter?

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:24:54 -0400, cc011 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're speedometers
with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some actual
computing. But electronic speedometers were being called computers long before
those things were invented.

All of them have a little CPU that does some computing in order to
accommodate any wheel sizes and to be able to compute average speed.

By that logic, I should be balancing my checkbook with a
"calcucomputer." HP put some of Intel's earliest CPUs into their
early hand-held calculators.

Pat

Email address works as is.

Patrick Lamb said:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:24:54 -0400, cc011 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

RonSonic said:

Why on earth do we call these things "computers?" Mostly they're speedometers
with a clock, if that.

You could make a case for the ergo brain and flight deck doing some actual
computing. But electronic speedometers were being called computers long before
those things were invented.

All of them have a little CPU that does some computing in order to
accommodate any wheel sizes and to be able to compute average speed.

By that logic, I should be balancing my checkbook with a
"calcucomputer." HP put some of Intel's earliest CPUs into their
early hand-held calculators.

As a big fan of HP calculators until the monstrosity that is the hp49,
I must say: Are you sure about that?

A quick perusal of
hppt://www.hpmuseum.org
shows no reference to intel cpus in any of the calculators. Some of
the early models did use intel memory chips.

Michael said:

RonSonic wrote:
(snip)

Quoted message said:

Yeah, there's a processor. Does that really make it a computer.

(snip)

IBM developed and marketed "processors", what the rest of the world
called as computers.

Are you sure? In fact, the very first IBM's "consumer-market" thingie
was called IBM PC - or, in other words, Personal Computer! :-)

By the way, in Russian language we're still calling device for
measuring bicycle speed "speedometer"...

Cheers,
Artur

Quoted message said:

As a big fan of HP calculators until the monstrosity that is the hp49,
I must say: Are you sure about that?

Don't go dissin' the pimp HP-49. I only bought one because they quit
making the HP-48GX, and I like it a lot. Too bad they quit making
calculators altogether... <insert frownie emoticon here>.

Matt

More cowbell + /_\

(Wannabe Ironman) said:

Don't go dissin' the pimp HP-49. I only bought one because they quit
making the HP-48GX, and I like it a lot. Too bad they quit making
calculators altogether... <insert frownie emoticon here>.

Yeah, the calculator division should have gone with Agilent when HP split.

My Polar S720i has a 9600 baud IR transceiver which conforms to the IRDA standard. Show me a "speedometer" with that function.

It also has a bit of memory as it can store 99 hours of exercise data and compute the power from chain tension and speed. And ALL input sensors (cadence, speed, chain speed and chain tension) communicate through 2 conductors so the system is probably 2 computers.

Weisse Luft said:

My Polar S720i has a 9600 baud IR transceiver which conforms to the IRDA
standard. Show me a "speedometer" with that function.

It also has a bit of memory as it can store 99 hours of exercise data
and compute the power from chain tension and speed. And ALL input
sensors (cadence, speed, chain speed and chain tension) communicate
through 2 conductors so the system is probably 2 computers.

Dear Weisse,

Did it store the data from that high-speed downhill ride
that you were going to post a few weeks ago?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Weisse.Luft.1byrdy%40no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com&output=gplain

or

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

Carl Fogel

[email hidden said:

"]On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:50:47 +1000, Weisse Luft

Quoted message said:

My Polar S720i has a 9600 baud IR transceiver which conforms to the IRDA
standard. Show me a "speedometer" with that function.

It also has a bit of memory as it can store 99 hours of exercise data
and compute the power from chain tension and speed. And ALL input
sensors (cadence, speed, chain speed and chain tension) communicate
through 2 conductors so the system is probably 2 computers.

Dear Weisse,

Did it store the data from that high-speed downhill ride
that you were going to post a few weeks ago?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Weisse.Luft.1byrdy%40no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com&output=gplain

or

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

Carl Fogel

Not yet...I have a broken rib from a dog encounter while off-roading on the Scapel 🙁 I've been riding but at normal velocities on level pavement.

Weisse Luft said:

Quoted message said:

Weisse Luft said:

My Polar S720i has a 9600 baud IR transceiver which conforms to the

IRDA

Quoted message said:

standard. Show me a "speedometer" with that function.

It also has a bit of memory as it can store 99 hours of exercise data
and compute the power from chain tension and speed. And ALL input
sensors (cadence, speed, chain speed and chain tension) communicate
through 2 conductors so the system is probably 2 computers.

Dear Weisse,

Did it store the data from that high-speed downhill ride
that you were going to post a few weeks ago?

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

or

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

Carl Fogel

Not yet...I have a broken rib from a dog encounter while off-roading on
the Scapel 🙁 I've been riding but at normal velocities on level
pavement.

Dear Weisse,

Ouch!

Sorry to hear this, but glad that it was no worse.

Carl Fogel

[email hidden] (Wannabe Ironman) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As a big fan of HP calculators until the monstrosity that is the hp49,
I must say: Are you sure about that?

Don't go dissin' the pimp HP-49. I only bought one because they quit
making the HP-48GX, and I like it a lot. Too bad they quit making
calculators altogether... <insert frownie emoticon here>.

They did? EEEEP! I must make sure my 48GX never breaks down, then.

-A

--
to email me, run my email address through /usr/bin/caesar
(or rotate by -4)

Weisse Luft said:

Quoted message said:

Weisse Luft said:

My Polar S720i has a 9600 baud IR transceiver which conforms to the

IRDA

Quoted message said:

standard. Show me a "speedometer" with that function.

It also has a bit of memory as it can store 99 hours of exercise data
and compute the power from chain tension and speed. And ALL input
sensors (cadence, speed, chain speed and chain tension) communicate
through 2 conductors so the system is probably 2 computers.

Dear Weisse,

Did it store the data from that high-speed downhill ride
that you were going to post a few weeks ago?

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

or

http://tinyurl.com/6bkcr

Carl Fogel

Not yet...I have a broken rib from a dog encounter while off-roading on
the Scapel 🙁 I've been riding but at normal velocities on level
pavement.

The one injury that really does hurt worst when you laugh.

Ron

Wannabe Ironman said:

Quoted message said:

As a big fan of HP calculators until the monstrosity that is the hp49,
I must say: Are you sure about that?

Don't go dissin' the pimp HP-49. I only bought one because they quit
making the HP-48GX, and I like it a lot. Too bad they quit making
calculators altogether... <insert frownie emoticon here>.

Does that make my HP-48G+ a collector's item?

--
Tom Sherman