Da carbon crank-YOWSER

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

$1300!!!

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
perspective.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

$1300!!!

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I'll take two.

/s

email hidden said:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

Dear Russell,

That's why assembly is extra and unspecified--imagine the cost of
fitting all those silly, overpriced parts together.

And imagine the owner explaining how much faster they made him!

Why, we might have to include a salary for a "spin" consultant in the
budget in order to explain the tremendous advantage of the "10%
stiffer" crank, the "damage isolation" of the carbon frame, and the
"special layups for specific rider weights and characteristics" of the
wheels.

A new shade of red is rumored to be available in late 2008, capable of
increasing the speed of financial extraction from wallets by 0.3% in
actual cash register tests.

A $3.99 wicker basket can be attached to the handlebar to reduce the
carbon footprint.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I'll take two.

/s

Dear Scott,

Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.

In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.

Would you like three?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> $1300!!!
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I'll take two.

/s

Dear Scott,

Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.

In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.

Would you like three?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Dear Carl.
You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that 😉

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

M-gineering said:

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, [email hidden] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>
> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>> $1300!!!
>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> shimano-
> Dear Peter,
>
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
>
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
I'll take two.

/s

Dear Scott,

Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.

In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.

Would you like three?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Dear Carl.
You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that 😉

Dear Marten,

We regret to inform our valued customers that increased costs
associated with customer inquiries forces us to charge an additional
12.3% for internet access and clerical overhead.

Please remember that our secretary's tip jar is a vital part of her
retirement plan.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
$1300!!!
Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Quoted message said:

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *
* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
$1300!!!
Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *
* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Quoted message said:

Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

A good bike mechanic just says "yes, sir" and dives right in.
We're inured to the merely pointless. Impossible can add a few hours.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:24:39 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
$1300!!!
Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

Quoted message said:

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *
* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?

Dear Andrew,

Regrettably, we cannot honor coupons from other companies.

However, we are pleased to offer a discount to the trade, so a
two-ounce bottle of Phil Wood bike-bell chime-grease can be added to
your order for only $15.95 instead of the usual $19.95.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

$1300!!!

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
there to crank out a profit.

Chalo

landotter said:

On Sep 28, 7:53 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
perspective.

How about just a bike, any bike, that can be had and ridden for
decades that cost 1/2 or so of these cranksa. I thought $1000 for Zipp
cranks was outlandish...so a DA electronic group, with Carbon cranks
and DA carbon wheels...priceless, almost literally.

Chalo said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
there to crank out a profit.

Chalo

Remember: Profit = turns x margin. At those margins, a healthy profit
is assured Shimano.

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

$1300!!!

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.

$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit? when
the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
whine about...

jim beam said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

Quoted message said:

$1300!!!

Quoted message said:

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.

Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.

Quoted message said:

you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.

$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years

How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

Quoted message said:

and keeps you fit?

Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?

Quoted message said:

when
the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
whine about...

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
$1300!!!
Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.

Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.

Quoted message said:

you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.

$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years

How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and keeps you fit?

Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?

Quoted message said:

when
the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
whine about...

jim beam said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> $1300!!!
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.

Quoted message said:

Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years

Quoted message said:

How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?

When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
Octalink BBs are the latest example.

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>> $1300!!!
>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> shimano-
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?

When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
Octalink BBs are the latest example.

eh? walked away??? from 09/11/2007 11:29 PM, we read mike
jacoubowsky's post titled: "Shimano Octalink road BB future" from which
we learn that: "for a good many years they will continue to manufacture
and supply '105 and DuraAce versions".

how is that "walked away"? do you know other facts to the contrary? is
mike bullshitting? or are you merely voicing supposition?