dairy book

"prasarita" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am looking for a book that is an objective evaluation of the nutritional value/lack of value of
dairy products (in particular milk and cheese)

I just read Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen. I feel this book lacks objectivity and that
Mr Cohen gets too emotional and that I cannot credibly use this book as a reference for non-vegs
who ask about dairy (I don't consume milk or cheese myself)

I am not looking for a discussion of other aspects such environmental consequences or animal
rights (I know about these). Just nutrition.

Anything out there?

From what I can gather the problem with ideologues is that they may speak the truth the whole time,
but when they do, they only speak the truths which support them.

Milk: The Deadly Poison, may contain a lot of "truths", but those truths are one sided. Without
including the other evidence then those "truths" become lies.

Of course, most ideologues also throw in some fabrications, so beware of what you read.

This would also apply to pro-milk ideologues. They may only present pro-milk information and
nothing else.

I don't know if it's possible to get objective information about the benefits as well as risks of
milk any more than it is about soy. Both are politically charged topics so any time you do research
on either one, you're going to get ideologues on both sides.

I'd say read both sides, check for any information which matches between the two extremes and see if
you can make something of that.

-Rubystars

"prasarita" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am looking for a book that is an objective evaluation of the nutritional value/lack of value of
dairy products (in particular milk and cheese)

I just read Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen. I feel this book lacks objectivity and that
Mr Cohen gets too emotional and that I cannot credibly use this book as a reference for non-vegs
who ask about dairy (I don't consume milk or cheese myself)

I am not looking for a discussion of other aspects such environmental consequences or animal
rights (I know about these). Just nutrition.

Anything out there?

Hm, I don't know any book, sorry.

But I'm getting more and more suspicious even of scientific results. This milk "scandal" or whatever
one would call it, had me surprised (to say the least). I mean, what about the people in india that
have based their nutririon around cow milk for at least 2000 years now (the hindu)?

There must be some truth in their live stlye also. I do cosume milk and cheese regularly, although I
know about some dairy farms in Europe (I grew up on one).

I guess we can only strife to be perfect beings 😉

Good luck though.

Thanks for the replies.

The questions I have (and the answers to those questions) are very quantifiable and thus could be
answered in an objective way.

For example, it is popularly believed that one needs to consume milk/cheese to avoid osteoporosis.
However, newer thinking says dairy can actually lead to osteoporosis, because a significant part of
the calcium in dairy is not in a form that the body can use, and so the body obtains the calcium it
needs from body parts (bones) in order to process the fat and proteins in dairy products.

I would think the question of calcium being absorbable or not is answerable through
scientific inquiry.

I read Diet for a new America (by John Robbins) some time ago, but not this other book you mention.

Have you read "The Food Revolution" by John Robbins? It is a more review of why animal products in
general are uneccesary for our consumption, and the research and references are well documented, and
often non-partisan. There is a chapter entitled "Got BS?" about dairy products. Incidentally,
Robbins is the son of Baskin and Robbins, Robbins, and was naturally raised eating lots of dairy and
has converted.

Allison

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I am looking for a book that is an objective evaluation of the nutritional value/lack of value
of dairy products (in particular milk and cheese)

I just read Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen. I feel this book lacks objectivity and that
Mr Cohen gets too emotional and that I cannot credibly use this book as a reference for non-vegs
who ask about dairy (I don't consume milk or cheese myself)

I am not looking for a discussion of other aspects such environmental consequences or animal
rights (I know about these). Just nutrition.

Anything out there?

Hm, I don't know any book, sorry.

But I'm getting more and more suspicious even of scientific results. This milk "scandal" or
whatever one would call it, had me surprised (to say the least). I mean, what about the people in
india that have based their nutririon around cow milk for at least 2000 years now (the hindu)?

There must be some truth in their live stlye also. I do cosume milk and cheese regularly, although
I know about some dairy farms in Europe (I grew up on one).

I guess we can only strife to be perfect beings 😉

Good luck though.

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"prasarita" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I am looking for a book that is an objective evaluation of the nutritional value/lack of value
of dairy products (in particular milk and cheese)

I just read Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen. I feel this book lacks objectivity and that
Mr Cohen gets too emotional and that I cannot credibly use this book as a reference for non-vegs
who ask about dairy (I don't consume milk or cheese myself)

I am not looking for a discussion of other aspects such environmental consequences or animal
rights (I know about these). Just nutrition.

Anything out there?

From what I can gather the problem with ideologues is that they may speak the truth the whole
time, but when they do, they only speak the truths which support them.

Milk: The Deadly Poison, may contain a lot of "truths", but those truths are one sided. Without
including the other evidence then those "truths" become lies.

That is the *stupidest* statement I have ever read.

Of course the "truths are one sided"!!!

They are on the side of TRUTH !!!

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Of course, most ideologues also throw in some fabrications, so beware of what you read.

This would also apply to pro-milk ideologues. They may only present pro-milk information and
nothing else.

I don't know if it's possible to get objective information about the benefits as well as risks of
milk any more than it is about soy. Both are politically charged topics so any time you do
research on either one, you're going to get ideologues on both sides.

I'd say read both sides, check for any information which matches between the two extremes and see
if you can make something of that.

-Rubystars

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That is the *stupidest* statement I have ever read.

Of course the "truths are one sided"!!!

They are on the side of TRUTH !!!

Let me put this another way, because I don't think I was being very clear.

There's a chemical that does the following:

Death due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities. Prolonged exposure to the solid form
causes severe tissue damage. The gaseous form can cause severe burns. Leads to corrosion and
oxidation of many metals. Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

All of this information is 100% true. What do you think this chemical is?

-Rubystars

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"Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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That is the *stupidest* statement I have ever read.

Of course the "truths are one sided"!!!

They are on the side of TRUTH !!!

Let me put this another way, because I don't think I was being very clear.

There's a chemical that does the following:

Death due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities. Prolonged exposure to the solid form
causes severe tissue damage. The gaseous form can cause severe burns. Leads to corrosion and
oxidation of many metals. Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

All of this information is 100% true. What do you think this chemical is?

-Rubystars

Well Ron? Have you figured it out yet? Maybe it'll help if I point out this chemical is also a major
component of acid rain and kills thousands of people every year?

-Rubystars

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"Ron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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That is the *stupidest* statement I have ever read.

Of course the "truths are one sided"!!!

They are on the side of TRUTH !!!

Let me put this another way, because I don't think I was being very clear.

There's a chemical that does the following:

Death due to accidental inhalation, even in small quantities. Prolonged exposure to the solid
form causes severe tissue damage. The gaseous form can cause severe burns. Leads to corrosion
and oxidation of many metals. Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

All of this information is 100% true. What do you think this chemical is?

-Rubystars

Well Ron? Have you figured it out yet? Maybe it'll help if I point out this chemical is also a
major component of acid rain and kills thousands of people every year?

-Rubystars

Poor little idiot.

Get taken to task and the best you can do is mumble obliquely about *WATER*!!

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Well Ron? Have you figured it out yet? Maybe it'll help if I point out this chemical is also a
major component of acid rain and kills thousands of people every year?

-Rubystars

Poor little idiot.

For pointing out that you're using one sided arguments against milk to make it look dangerous, in
the same way that the DHMO site makes a joke about the dangers of water?

Milk is, for most people, totally harmless.

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Get taken to task and the best you can do is mumble obliquely about *WATER*!!

You've done nothing of the sort. I've pointed out to you that you use one sided arguments, picking
and choosing the facts you want to accept and ignoring the rest.

-Rubystars