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  1. From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@...>
    Date: Sat May 28, 2005 8:26 am
    Subject: Damned Dairy Farmers notmilk2002
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    Damned Dairy Farmers

    I've always had a soft spot in my heart for dairy farmers.
    These men and women represent the hardest working group of
    people in America, with those same family values and work
    ethic that once made America strong.

    I no longer think that way, and take great pleasure each
    time one of them goes out of business resulting in the
    family farm being sold. Dairy farmers are damned. Dairy
    farmers are scum.

    As this column is read by many dairymen, and as my negative
    comments and feelings will soon be shared with thousands of
    dairy farmers, let me take this opportunity to address all
    persons associated with that industry which makes people
    ill. Please quote me accurately in all future hate mail:

    Shame on you. You can all rot in hell for the pain and
    suffering and harm that that you've knowingly caused to
    millions of Americans.

    What has got me so worked up?

    You who are in the dairy industry have always known how
    diseased your animals are. You lied to consumers, and
    have even deceived yourselves. When your cows get sick,
    you cull them from your herd and send them to slaughter.
    Before that moment of truth, you continue to milk them
    and send your bacteria-laden tainted milk to market.

    Johne's Disease and mycobacterium paratuberculosis are
    well known nightmares to dairymen, although most consumers
    are unaware of how drinking infected milk or eating infected
    cheese has taken its toll on America's health.

    For years, dairy scientists, dairy magazines, and dairy
    marketing con artists have spun lie after lie to a trusting
    public. Coming to terms with truth can be painful, but at
    last the dairy industry seems to be coming to terms with
    this heavily self-censored story. Unfortunately, it's too
    late for those who will live the rest of their lives
    with irritable bowel syndrome, ulcerative colitis, or
    Crohn's Disease.

    The May 25, 2005 issue of Hoard's Dairyman (The National
    Dairy Farm Magazine) contains an editorial (page 386) admitting
    that the Johne's/Crohn's problem is a continuing nightmare
    for dairy producers and dairy consumers.

    The editorial headline: "Johne's Infection Rates May Be Much
    Higher Than We Thought."

    Some admissions from that editorial:

    1) "There are more Johne's-infected cows in North American
    dairy herds than any of us would have guessed."

    2) "Research confirms the hit and miss effectiveness of our
    common Johne's tests."

    3) "There may be three truly infected cows for every one
    that tests positive."

    4) "Real progress will only be made when we treat every
    cow as if she is Johne's-infected."

    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is the bacterium which
    causes Johne's in cows and irritable bowel syndrome
    and Crohn's disease in humans. These bacteria are not
    killed by pasteurization. American consumers continue
    to drink body fluids from diseased animals. I have
    visited many dairy farms, and in each case, those dairymen,
    out of complete disgust (call it insider knowledge) will
    not drink the milk they produce, and for good reason.

    I find their product disgusting, and I find their deceptive
    behavior equally disgusting. Their word is no longer honorable,
    and as a group, they should all hang their heads in shame.

    More on Crohn's: http://www.notmilk.com/c.html

    Robert Cohen
    http://www.notmilk.com

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For years, dairy scientists, dairy magazines, and dairy marketing con artists have spun lie after lie to a trusting public. Coming to terms with truth can be painful, but at last the dairy industry seems to be coming to terms with


    this heavily self-censored story. Unfortunately, it's too late for
    those who will live the rest of their lives with irritable bowel
    syndrome, ulcerative colitis, or
    Crohn's Disease. <<

    COMMENT:

    By golly, is THAT what causes irritable bowel syndrome, ulcerative
    colitis and Crohn's disease? Strange, since irritable bowel involves
    no inflammation. Say, are you sure you aren't just confusing together
    all those people with the chronic squirts? Lumping squirters, as it
    were?

    Besides, I thought it as flouridation that caused bowel disease. Or
    mercury in amalgams in teeth. Or candidiasis.

    If you're going to be a professional victim, couldn't you pick
    something that was less, well, wholesome to blame? The mercury thing
    really sounds the best to me. Or some new drug or industrial toxin.
    Say, what about silicone?

    SBH

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Damned Dairy Farmers notmilk2002


    Quoted message said:

    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is the bacterium which
    causes Johne's in cows and irritable bowel syndrome
    and Crohn's disease in humans. These bacteria are not
    killed by pasteurization. American consumers continue

    Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the
    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria.

  4. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria. <<

    Sorry, but no such blanket statement is possible, as this is a function
    of concentration of the organism in the milk to begin with. The
    organism is killed by high temp "flash" pasteurization when in
    concentrations likely to be encountered in the real world. That fact
    that nobody has yet to culture this organism so far from pasteurized
    milk anywhere (so far as I can tell), suggests it's not a problem. Of
    course, nobody knows for sure, yet.

    There have been suggestions that M. paratuberculosis might be a causal
    agent for some cases of Crohn's disease. So far, no proof. It's been
    cultured from a handful of Crohn's patients, but that's not proof. At
    minimum, you'd need to find it in MOST Crohn's patients to even begin
    to establish a causal link. Maybe it sometimes causes something that's
    mistaken for Crohn's. Personally, the idea that most of Crohn's is
    this, is a little too squirrely for me. For one thing, antibiotics that
    kill M. paratuberculosis have been tried in Crohn's, and they don't in
    general work (they do work in the animal version of the disease, and I
    found one human report where the organism was present and antibiotics
    may have worked-- but these are evidence AGAINST causation for most
    Crohn's). For another thing, the organism is acid-fast and easily found
    in stains of infected animal intestines. It's not found in acid fast
    stains of human Crohn's. The idea that some wierd cell-wall free kind
    of M. paratuberculosis grows in people, which doesn't look anything
    like the one that grows in animals, is starting to sound like M-form
    Gulf War paranoia and mycoplasma miasma to me. A real conspiracy by
    nature, there. I'm not buying it.

    SBH

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    Quoted message said:

    From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@...>
    Date: Sat May 28, 2005 8:26 am
    Subject: Damned Dairy Farmers notmilk2002
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    Damned Dairy Farmers

    I've always had a soft spot in my heart for dairy farmers.
    These men and women represent the hardest working group of
    people in America, with those same family values and work
    ethic that once made America strong.

    I no longer think that way, and take great pleasure each
    time one of them goes out of business resulting in the
    family farm being sold. Dairy farmers are damned. Dairy
    farmers are scum.

    You are scum and the mule you road into town is scum.

  6. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I've always had a soft spot in my heart for dairy farmers.
    These men and women represent the hardest working group of
    people in America, with those same family values and work
    ethic that once made America strong.

    What? You mean they are *slaves*...?? Wow!

    Katt.

  7. George Lagergren said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Damned Dairy Farmers notmilk2002


    Quoted message said:

    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is the bacterium which
    causes Johne's in cows and irritable bowel syndrome
    and Crohn's disease in humans. These bacteria are not
    killed by pasteurization. American consumers continue

    Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the
    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria.

    The real problem with pasteurization is that it *does* work. Every
    dairy food should be cultured, or it's just a junk food. What little
    risk there is in raw milk (I drank it for years with no problem) is far
    outweighed (as far as the intestine are concerned) by the benefit of
    probiotics.

  8. Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria. <<

    Sorry, but no such blanket statement is possible, as this is a function
    of concentration of the organism in the milk to begin with. The
    organism is killed by high temp "flash" pasteurization when in
    concentrations likely to be encountered in the real world. That fact
    that nobody has yet to culture this organism so far from pasteurized
    milk anywhere (so far as I can tell), suggests it's not a problem. Of
    course, nobody knows for sure, yet.

    There have been suggestions that M. paratuberculosis might be a causal
    agent for some cases of Crohn's disease. So far, no proof. It's been
    cultured from a handful of Crohn's patients, but that's not proof. At
    minimum, you'd need to find it in MOST Crohn's patients to even begin
    to establish a causal link. Maybe it sometimes causes something that's
    mistaken for Crohn's. Personally, the idea that most of Crohn's is
    this, is a little too squirrely for me. For one thing, antibiotics that
    kill M. paratuberculosis have been tried in Crohn's, and they don't in
    general work (they do work in the animal version of the disease, and I
    found one human report where the organism was present and antibiotics
    may have worked-- but these are evidence AGAINST causation for most
    Crohn's). For another thing, the organism is acid-fast and easily found
    in stains of infected animal intestines. It's not found in acid fast
    stains of human Crohn's. The idea that some wierd cell-wall free kind
    of M. paratuberculosis grows in people, which doesn't look anything
    like the one that grows in animals, is starting to sound like M-form
    Gulf War paranoia and mycoplasma miasma to me. A real conspiracy by
    nature, there. I'm not buying it.

    SBH

    When "Dr." Harris shows up it is a sure sign the dairy industry is
    worried about the truth becoming known.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    anonymous loon said:


    Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the


    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria. <<

    Quoted message said:


    Sorry, but no such blanket statement is possible, as this is a function
    of concentration of the organism in the milk to begin with. The
    organism is killed by high temp "flash" pasteurization when in
    concentrations likely to be encountered in the real world. That fact
    that nobody has yet to culture this organism so far from pasteurized
    milk anywhere (so far as I can tell), suggests it's not a problem. Of
    course, nobody knows for sure, yet.

    There have been suggestions that M. paratuberculosis might be a causal
    agent for some cases of Crohn's disease. So far, no proof. It's been
    cultured from a handful of Crohn's patients, but that's not proof. At
    minimum, you'd need to find it in MOST Crohn's patients to even begin
    to establish a causal link. Maybe it sometimes causes something that's
    mistaken for Crohn's. Personally, the idea that most of Crohn's is
    this, is a little too squirrely for me. For one thing, antibiotics that
    kill M. paratuberculosis have been tried in Crohn's, and they don't in
    general work (they do work in the animal version of the disease, and I
    found one human report where the organism was present and antibiotics
    may have worked-- but these are evidence AGAINST causation for most
    Crohn's). For another thing, the organism is acid-fast and easily found
    in stains of infected animal intestines. It's not found in acid fast
    stains of human Crohn's. The idea that some wierd cell-wall free kind
    of M. paratuberculosis grows in people, which doesn't look anything
    like the one that grows in animals, is starting to sound like M-form
    Gulf War paranoia and mycoplasma miasma to me. A real conspiracy by
    nature, there. I'm not buying it.

    SBH

    When "Dr." Harris shows up it is a sure sign the dairy industry is
    worried about the truth becoming known.

    Hey, anonymous loon: Why is "Dr" in quotation marks? Are you
    suggesting that Dr Harris is not really an MD?

    Do you have any actual facts, or are you just here to rave?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "I don't need someone to tell me that George W. Bush is a
    deceitful, corrupt, clever and destructive man--that's pretty
    clear on the face of it." -- Garrison Keillor

  10. "PeterB" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    George Lagergren said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Damned Dairy Farmers notmilk2002


    Quoted message said:

    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is the bacterium which
    causes Johne's in cows and irritable bowel syndrome
    and Crohn's disease in humans. These bacteria are not
    killed by pasteurization. American consumers continue

    Pasteurization done for a mere 15 seconds does not kill the
    Mycobacterium paratuberculosis bacteria.

    The real problem with pasteurization is that it *does* work. Every
    dairy food should be cultured, or it's just a junk food. What little
    risk there is in raw milk (I drank it for years with no problem) is far
    outweighed (as far as the intestine are concerned) by the benefit of
    probiotics.

    and you surely have citation for that?

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