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Michael
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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
Mine: Floyd Landis.
Mike
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
Mine: Floyd Landis.
Mike
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psycholist
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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
Santiago Botero
HA HA HA HA HA
Bob C.
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
Santiago Botero
HA HA HA HA HA
Bob C.
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Simon
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"psycholist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
Mmmmm.... Jan Ullrich. I heard he is getting good at those time trials.
Simon
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
Mmmmm.... Jan Ullrich. I heard he is getting good at those time trials.
Simon
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RWM
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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark horse? If Floyd
does a lot of work on the climbs but finishes way down in the GC do you
claim a win?
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark horse? If Floyd
does a lot of work on the climbs but finishes way down in the GC do you
claim a win?
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Michael
Guest
"RWM" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark horse? If Floyd
> does a lot of work on the climbs but finishes way down in the GC do you
> claim a win?
No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like a top ten.
Mike
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark horse? If Floyd
> does a lot of work on the climbs but finishes way down in the GC do you
> claim a win?
No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like a top ten.
Mike
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Joseph Hurley
Guest
I have answers for this on several levels:
1. Flatlanders aka sprinters:
I think Mario Cipollini will actually stay in longer than usual. I
think that he wants once before he retires to finish the Tour and will try
to do so. Not saying he'll make it all the way to Paris, just that he won't
abandon on the first uphill day.
2. Overall
I think that Tyler Hamilton will be out to prove that last year's
performance (broken collarbone and all) was not a fluke -- I look for 2
American's on the podium -- one Mr. Lance Armstrong on the top step and
Tyler on the 2nd step.
Have a wonderful day,
Joe Hurley
who hopes that the USA (1) finds a replacement sponsor for USPS after this
season for the team and (2) develops some good young riders to fill Lance's
shoes when he does retire.
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
>
1. Flatlanders aka sprinters:
I think Mario Cipollini will actually stay in longer than usual. I
think that he wants once before he retires to finish the Tour and will try
to do so. Not saying he'll make it all the way to Paris, just that he won't
abandon on the first uphill day.
2. Overall
I think that Tyler Hamilton will be out to prove that last year's
performance (broken collarbone and all) was not a fluke -- I look for 2
American's on the podium -- one Mr. Lance Armstrong on the top step and
Tyler on the 2nd step.
Have a wonderful day,
Joe Hurley
who hopes that the USA (1) finds a replacement sponsor for USPS after this
season for the team and (2) develops some good young riders to fill Lance's
shoes when he does retire.
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
>
>
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Tom Kunich
Guest
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like a top ten.
Floyd will be up there for the first half of the race but will fall back
after Lance takes over.
I expect the real dark horse to be Ivan Basso.
news:[email protected]...
>
> No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like a top ten.
Floyd will be up there for the first half of the race but will fall back
after Lance takes over.
I expect the real dark horse to be Ivan Basso.
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Peter Allen
Guest
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that Mayo
appears to have learnt to TT?
Alcobendas:
1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
Not exactly a dark horse, though.
Peter
news:[email protected]...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that Mayo
appears to have learnt to TT?
Alcobendas:
1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
Not exactly a dark horse, though.
Peter
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Roland2k
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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
finish well too.
I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Roland
> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>
> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Mike
How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
finish well too.
I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Roland
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jim gravity
Guest
> Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that
> Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?
Wasn't it uphill?
McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe d'Huez flattens
out in the second half.
Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.
--
> Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?
Wasn't it uphill?
McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe d'Huez flattens
out in the second half.
Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.
--
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Ewoud Dronkert
Guest
On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:57:33 GMT, jim gravity wrote:
> Alpe d'Huez flattens out in the second half.
Errrr... no it doesn't.
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/cols/l/huez_sud.gif
> Alpe d'Huez flattens out in the second half.
Errrr... no it doesn't.
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/cols/l/huez_sud.gif
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Ewoud Dronkert
Guest
On 19 May 2004 06:36:38 -0700, Roland2k wrote:
> Laiseka.
Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
http://www.cycling4all.com/r04rvf00.php and
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news halfway
down.
> Laiseka.
Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
http://www.cycling4all.com/r04rvf00.php and
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news halfway
down.
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Robert McMillen
Guest
Heras until the penultimate stage. He will not be challenged until the ITT
on Saturday. He has a strong team for the TTT (besides, he can only lose
2:30 - I think). Any time he has lost in the prologue or TTT he should be
able to make up in the Pyrenees the uphill TT and the final day in the Alps.
Heras in yellow until Sat morning. Another nail-biter ITT.
"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[email protected]...
> On 19 May 2004 06:36:38 -0700, Roland2k wrote:
> > Laiseka.
>
> Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
> http://www.cycling4all.com/r04rvf00.php and
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news halfway
> down.
on Saturday. He has a strong team for the TTT (besides, he can only lose
2:30 - I think). Any time he has lost in the prologue or TTT he should be
able to make up in the Pyrenees the uphill TT and the final day in the Alps.
Heras in yellow until Sat morning. Another nail-biter ITT.
"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news
[email protected]...> On 19 May 2004 06:36:38 -0700, Roland2k wrote:
> > Laiseka.
>
> Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
> http://www.cycling4all.com/r04rvf00.php and
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news halfway
> down.
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Sonarrat
Guest
in article [email protected], Roland2k at
[email protected] wrote on 5/19/04 6:36 AM:
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
>> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>>
>> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>>
>> Mike
>
> How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
> with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
> finish well too.
>
> I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
> possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
> Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
> Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
> twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Agree for the most part; E-E announced their roster and unfortunately,
Laiseka won't be riding. Nor will Sammy Sanchez, which is probably just as
well after he went HD on l'Alpe d'Huez last year... Also, Vini Calridola is
not one of the teams invited to the Tour this year, so no Garzelli.
My version of that list would consist of Armstrong, Hamilton, Leipheimer,
Ullrich, Mayo, Zubeldia, Julich, Simoni, Totschnig, Frigo if he goes, Aitor
Gonzalez, Heras, and - this one I want to stress - Sevilla, in his new
Phonak colors.
-Sonarrat.
[email protected] wrote on 5/19/04 6:36 AM:
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
>> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>>
>> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>>
>> Mike
>
> How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
> with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
> finish well too.
>
> I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
> possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
> Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
> Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
> twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Agree for the most part; E-E announced their roster and unfortunately,
Laiseka won't be riding. Nor will Sammy Sanchez, which is probably just as
well after he went HD on l'Alpe d'Huez last year... Also, Vini Calridola is
not one of the teams invited to the Tour this year, so no Garzelli.
My version of that list would consist of Armstrong, Hamilton, Leipheimer,
Ullrich, Mayo, Zubeldia, Julich, Simoni, Totschnig, Frigo if he goes, Aitor
Gonzalez, Heras, and - this one I want to stress - Sevilla, in his new
Phonak colors.
-Sonarrat.
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Steven L. Sheffield
Guest
On 05/19/2004 07:36 AM, in article
[email protected], "Roland2k"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
>> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>>
>> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>>
>> Mike
>
> How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
> with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
> finish well too.
>
> I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
> possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
> Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
> Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
> twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Laiseka is being left off the Euskatel team
(http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5274).
Vini Caldirola (Garzelli) wasn't invited.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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[email protected], "Roland2k"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
>> to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
>>
>> Mine: Floyd Landis.
>>
>> Mike
>
> How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of the podium
> with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso struggles, Julich could
> finish well too.
>
> I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
> possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong, Ullrich,
> Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia,
> Laiseka. There's probably a dozen more names that will show up once or
> twice. But all of those above should be battling every day.
Laiseka is being left off the Euskatel team
(http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5274).
Vini Caldirola (Garzelli) wasn't invited.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
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Tom Kunich
Guest
"Peter Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gIIqc.61$6K2.49@newsfe1-win...
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that
Mayo
> appears to have learnt to TT?
>
> Alcobendas:
>
> 1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
> 2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
> 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
news:gIIqc.61$6K2.49@newsfe1-win...
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
> > to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?
> >
> > Mine: Floyd Landis.
>
> Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that
Mayo
> appears to have learnt to TT?
>
> Alcobendas:
>
> 1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
> 2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
> 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
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Tom Kunich
Guest
"jim gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that
> > Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?
>
> Wasn't it uphill?
>
> McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe d'Huez flattens
> out in the second half.
>
> Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.
Yeah, to a meager 8%.
news:[email protected]...
> > Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody noticed that
> > Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?
>
> Wasn't it uphill?
>
> McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe d'Huez flattens
> out in the second half.
>
> Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.
Yeah, to a meager 8%.
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Carl Sundquist
Guest
"Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > 1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
> > 2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
> > 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
>
> Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
>
>
About eleven and a half minutes long.
> >
> > 1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
> > 2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
> > 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
>
> Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
>
>
About eleven and a half minutes long.
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Michael
Guest
"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BCD15724.32043%[email protected]...> Laiseka is being left off the Euskatel team
> (http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5274).
That's really too bad that a stage winner won't be
on the TdF team.
Mike
news:BCD15724.32043%[email protected]...> Laiseka is being left off the Euskatel team
> (http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5274).
That's really too bad that a stage winner won't be
on the TdF team.
Mike
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Steven Bornfeld
Guest
Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>>1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
>>>2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
>>>3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
>>
>>Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
>>
>>
>
>
> About eleven and a half minutes long.
(rim shot)!
Steve
>
>
> "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>>1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26
>>>2 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03
>>>3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty Seguros 0.06
>>
>>Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?
>>
>>
>
>
> About eleven and a half minutes long.
(rim shot)!
Steve
>
>
