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  1. Definition Of Sanity

    10 April 2004
    {HRI 20040410}

    Sanity is being able

    to look through the deceptions, masks and tricks that you
    and others are immersed in, pushed into and continuously
    subjected to,

    or causing, or aiding,

    and

    of course includes also the desire to do that looking, to
    exert that ability, and to choose one's course of life
    and one's actions accordingly - both towards oneself and
    towards others.

    So you see (maybe if you read the definition again), that the
    level or amount of Sanity of any person, is continuously going
    up and down.

    Also, your Sanity can be very high in some areas of life, in
    some subjects and activities, and at the same time your Sanity
    can be very low in another subject or part of life.

    A typical example is the subject of Life Energy *(1)

    - that what gives you emotions and your joy of life,
    and what even determines most of your personal
    and intimate relations, or the lack or failure of
    it, and also monitors directly your ability to use
    your talents, as well as your awareness of these -

    which is that much hidden and not looked at, that most
    people quite correctly could be considered highly lacking
    in Sanity in that area. *(2)

    Further you can be aware of the fact, that a deception that you
    are immersed in, is normally not visible to you or felt by you,

    which is obvious by the very definition of 'deception'
    itself, as

    it carries the intention of the person(s) who
    deceive you, to bring that immersion about in you,

    or the deceiver uses an already existing blindness,
    that you have to certain types of deception: He or
    she makes use of a blindness, that has already been
    installed in you.

    To give an easy and common example:

    By keeping boys and girls (or even men and
    women) apart, or by not letting them talk with
    each other about the feelings they have or do
    not have for each other,

    which exchange would be necessary,

    to examine one's own feelings,
    and

    to compare these with other
    feelings, and

    to know and understand the
    feelings of others, and

    to compare these with one's OWN
    standards and one's OWN goals for
    personal relations, and

    to determine with whom one can
    share, or chooses to share, or not
    to share

    which feelings, and how
    intensely, and with what
    responsibilities and
    intentions for another you
    desire to do so, and

    to determine what feelings
    another is able to share, or
    chooses to share, or not to share,

    and with what
    responsibilities and
    intentions, or lack of it,
    another shares his or her
    feelings,

    or how many he or she may
    hide, or pretend, or deceive
    you and others or even
    himself or herself about,

    by preventing that exchange to occur, and thus
    preventing that understanding to come about,
    you are creating so many blind spots,

    that "men can not understand women" or

    that "women can not understand men."

    And you have been made extremely vulnerable

    by not understanding these feelings of
    yourself or of others,

    and you find it difficult to choose which
    feelings to express - when and to whom, and
    how much or how little, or "maybe better not
    at all,"

    and it has made you very, very unhappy at
    times.

    The whole matter has gotten so bad, that you are
    taught that "you HAVE to deceive others," or even
    yourself,

    in order to try and achieve fulfillment or
    happiness,

    rather than expressing your feelings,

    rather than showing these and talking about them
    with others (not with hateful or insane individuals,
    of course, but with normal people)

    of whom you know they do appreciate that you
    show them your true feelings.

    Who do YOU like most? Those who express their
    true feelings towards you.

    So, if you want to become popular...

    A Sane person looks through the deceptions, and treats people
    as they are.

    And that is a tremendous joy, because there is nothing
    more beautiful and lovable than people as they really are.

    Also, normal people love to be really looked at, to be
    really seen as they are.

    How much does it cost you, to do them that biggest favor of
    all?

    Nothing other than you exerting your desire to be Sane.

    Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
    human rights philosopher and poet

    'God gave Solomon wisdom
    and very great insight,
    and a breadth of understanding
    as measureless
    as the sand on the seashore.'

    1 Kings 4:29
    _________
    Footnotes:

    (1) 'The Nature Of The Cosmos As Seen From Earth' (Version 1.0)
    (29 August 2001)
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0211060029.323b80d9%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

    (2) 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind' (Version 2.0) {HRI 20021018-V2.0}
    (18 October 2002 - V2.0 on 10 October 2003)
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0310101357.3ecabe19%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

    __________
    References:

    'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor' (5 Feb 2003)
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0302160841.7730fa14%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

    'The Trinity Of Science - Truth, Love and Beauty (Version 2.1)
    {HRI 20030307-pi-1-V2.1}' (7 March 2003 - V2.1 on 17 October 2003)
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0310180348.7cf1b6f5%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

    'Definition of 'Below "Cause"' (28 March 2004) {HRI 20040328}
    http:[email hidden]&output=gplain

    Copyright 2004 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
    and poet
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    None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
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  2. [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conpsiracy.htm

  3. "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message


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    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.

    Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.

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  5. "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message


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    Quoted message said:


    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conpsiracy.htm

    The best definition is "to be the one carrying the keys." That makes it
    much easier to tell.

  6. [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Definition Of Sanity

    10 April 2004
    {HRI 20040410}

    ...........................................................................................................

    Interesting write-up and a quite reflective one indeed. However, I
    strongly feel that sanity or insanity are purly experiential,
    subjective and dynamic constructs and an attempt to define them, no
    matter how sincere is bound to be a tantalizing one. Another issue
    which needs to be considered is a political one, i.e. if we say that
    "A" is sanity and rest all is insanity, then we are without any good
    evidence labeling many people as insane. We are unconsciously
    asserting a baseless argument that "I'm sane, you are insane."

    Regards
    Pulkit
    Postgraduate student, department of psychology
    University of Delhi, India.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
    swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
    "alternative" or "conspiracy."

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Definition Of Sanity
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 4/13/2004 6:09 AM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Carole

    Here comes more personal trashing from David. Carole has too much truth for
    David.

    <snip>

    Jan

  9. "Gene Douglas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conpsiracy.htm

    The best definition is "to be the one carrying the keys." That makes it
    much easier to tell.

    Keys AND the cigarette lighter/matches....<G>

  10. [email hidden] (Pulkit) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Definition Of Sanity

    10 April 2004
    {HRI 20040410}

    ...........................................................................................................

    Interesting write-up and a quite reflective one indeed. However, I
    strongly feel that sanity or insanity are purly experiential,
    subjective and dynamic constructs and an attempt to define them, no
    matter how sincere is bound to be a tantalizing one. Another issue
    which needs to be considered is a political one, i.e. if we say that
    "A" is sanity and rest all is insanity, then we are without any good
    evidence labeling many people as insane. We are unconsciously
    asserting a baseless argument that "I'm sane, you are insane."

    Regards
    Pulkit
    Postgraduate student, department of psychology
    University of Delhi, India.

    The insane that I have met seem to have an interior environment that
    is simular to a picture painted on glass that has been broken.

  11. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.

    Conventional medicine denied the value of nutritional remedies e.g.,
    doctors get 3 hours tutoring on this topic out of a 3-4 year course.
    Why would you see yourself as conventional? You are deluded and
    aberrated obviously.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.

    I haven't got "websites", just one website with many web pages. Once
    again the description of 'whacko' is your value system and strictly
    within the confines of establishment propaganda i.e., you don't think
    for yourself but let the system tell you what is right or wrong. By
    definition you are therefore mind-controlled.

    You do realise that the media is increasingly being brought under the
    control of fewer owners, meaning that there is less diversity of
    opinion and more opportunity for control of propaganda.
    http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  12. [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
    swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
    "alternative" or "conspiracy."

    Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
    confusion. See
    Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
    The subversion of the free press by the CIA. 
    "The cost of disinforming the world cost ... a budget larger than the
    combined expenditures of Reuters, UPI and the AP news syndicates."

    But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
    conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  13. (Carole) said:

    Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
    confusion.

    Some people are easily confused.

    Quoted message said:

    See Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    Now there's a low paying, entry level job.

  14. "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t


    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.

    Conventional medicine denied the value of nutritional remedies e.g.,
    doctors get 3 hours tutoring on this topic out of a 3-4 year course.
    Why would you see yourself as conventional? You are deluded and
    aberrated obviously.

    Only to you, sweetums. You see a conspiracy under every rock and a black
    helicopter in every backyard.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.

    I haven't got "websites", just one website with many web pages.

    Your silly semantics aside, you promote bigotry.

    Once

    Quoted message said:

    again the description of 'whacko' is your value system and strictly
    within the confines of establishment propaganda i.e., you don't think
    for yourself but let the system tell you what is right or wrong. By
    definition you are therefore mind-controlled.

    Sweetums, you have to say that those who think you are a nut do not think
    for themselves, since not doing so would be a living nightmare for you.

    Quoted message said:

    You do realise that the media is increasingly being brought under the
    control of fewer owners, meaning that there is less diversity of
    opinion and more opportunity for control of propaganda.
    http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

    Oh, I agree that there is far too much centralization of ownership, but, I
    do not think it is the whacko conspiracy [censored] you portray it to be.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
    properly before being posted. However, I get the point.

    Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
    which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
    which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.

    A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
    swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
    "alternative" or "conspiracy."

    Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
    confusion. See
    Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
    Just because you read something doesn't make it true.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
    The subversion of the free press by the CIA.

    Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
    you know.

    Quoted message said:

    But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
    conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.

    You don't know what I believe. Well, you know that I believe that
    you're a credulous idiot. But in fairness to me, I only believe that
    because you are a credulous idiot. What do I care if you believe in
    zero-point energy, or that cell salts cure all diseases? You know
    nothing about physics, so your belief in the former is unimportant,
    and I know enough about physics, chemistry, and biology to know that
    your beloved cell salts are nonsense. But if they make you happy, you
    just go right ahead and believe.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  16. [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
    confusion. See
    Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
    Just because you read something doesn't make it true.

    Doesn't make it UNTRUE either.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
    The subversion of the free press by the CIA.

    Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
    you know.

    Doesn't mean its untrue either. Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
    a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies. I wouldn't expect
    conventional people to understand nutritional remedies. But not only
    are you totally devoid of any real understanding of health, but you
    are also brainwashed, because the goals of conventional medical
    schooling are:

    1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
    drugs
    2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
    "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
    3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
    thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
    4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
    delusion i.e., placebo effect.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
    conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.

    You don't know what I believe. Well, you know that I believe that
    you're a credulous idiot. But in fairness to me, I only believe that
    because you are a credulous idiot. What do I care if you believe in
    zero-point energy, or that cell salts cure all diseases? You know
    nothing about physics, so your belief in the former is unimportant,
    and I know enough about physics, chemistry, and biology to know that
    your beloved cell salts are nonsense. But if they make you happy, you
    just go right ahead and believe.

    I believe you are full of it. You don't know anything about physics
    either - just the [censored] they let you learn ... oh, and a few false
    notions that support distorted reality.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/science.htm


  17. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<yB0gc.9243

    Claim #1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    Claim #2

    Quoted message said:

    Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
    a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.

    Claim #3

    Quoted message said:

    the goals of conventional medical
    schooling are:

    1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
    drugs
    2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
    "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
    3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
    thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
    4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
    delusion i.e., placebo effect.

    Three claims, none backed by facts. You just throw out numbers and claims
    as if they were real.

    Where for instance do you get the notion that there are 3 (Not 4, not 2,
    three
    and only 3!) hours of instruction on "nutritional remedies?"

    I assume you have taught in a medical school?

    And healing arts based "solely on the use of pharmaceutical drugs?" Please
    back that up, and while you are at it, explain surgery, "bedside manner,"
    osteopathic
    medicine, phusical therapy.

    Let me guess: you are still a fan of Velikovsky, aren't you?

    Dan R.
    Master of Card XII
    Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

    --
    ________________________________________
    There is a way to go through life
    other than being dragged kicking and screaming.

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    dlrogers said:


    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<yB0gc.9243

    Claim #1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    >alternative news.

    Claim #2

    Quoted message said:

    Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
    a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.

    Claim #3

    Quoted message said:

    the goals of conventional medical
    schooling are:

    1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
    drugs
    2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
    "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
    3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
    thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
    4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
    delusion i.e., placebo effect.

    Three claims, none backed by facts. You just throw out numbers and claims
    as if they were real.

    Where for instance do you get the notion that there are 3 (Not 4, not 2,
    three
    and only 3!) hours of instruction on "nutritional remedies?"

    I assume you have taught in a medical school?

    And healing arts based "solely on the use of pharmaceutical drugs?" Please
    back that up, and while you are at it, explain surgery, "bedside manner,"
    osteopathic
    medicine, phusical therapy.

    Let me guess: you are still a fan of Velikovsky, aren't you?

    I didn't write *any* of the material you quoted, you jerkoff. It was
    all material written by someone else. If you can't manage to handle
    attributions, get an adult to help you.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Carole said:

    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
    confusion. See
    Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    alternative news.

    I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
    Just because you read something doesn't make it true.

    Doesn't make it UNTRUE either.

    No, but as long as it's labelled "conspiracy" you are going to believe
    every word.

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    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
    The subversion of the free press by the CIA.

    Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
    you know.

    Doesn't mean its untrue either.

    No, there are plenty of other reasons for *that*.

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    Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of a 4-year course on nutrutional
    remedies.

    You're fond of quoting that figure. I don't believe it's correct.

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    I wouldn't expect
    conventional people to understand nutritional remedies. But not only
    are you totally devoid of any real understanding of health, but you
    are also brainwashed, because the goals of conventional medical
    schooling are:

    I haven't been to medical school, so I avoided all that awful stuff.

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    1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
    drugs

    I gather you've never heard of surgery. You should look into it.

    Just for starters.

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    2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
    "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes

    But you're not brainwashed, are you Carole?

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    3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
    thinking for themselves are need "guidance"

    That doesn't qualify as a theory and it's obvious nonsense.

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    4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
    delusion i.e., placebo effect.

    See comment on foregoing. The placebo effect is not "delusion," by
    the way.

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    But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
    conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.

    You don't know what I believe. Well, you know that I believe that
    you're a credulous idiot. But in fairness to me, I only believe that
    because you are a credulous idiot. What do I care if you believe in
    zero-point energy, or that cell salts cure all diseases? You know
    nothing about physics, so your belief in the former is unimportant,
    and I know enough about physics, chemistry, and biology to know that
    your beloved cell salts are nonsense. But if they make you happy, you
    just go right ahead and believe.

    I believe you are full of it. You don't know anything about physics
    either - just the [censored] they let you learn ... oh, and a few false
    notions that support distorted reality.

    I've actually taken the classes and done the experiments and done the
    math -- three claims that you are never, ever going to be able to
    make, even if you desired to.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  20. I was told by doctors they get 15 seconds of supplement training. Expensive
    [censored] is the expression they were taught.

    Go to a car mechanic. They have as much training in natural supplements
    usually and they charge a lot less per hour.

    "dlrogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in message news:<yB0gc.9243

    Claim #1

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    >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
    >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
    >alternative news.

    Claim #2

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    Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
    a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.

    Claim #3

    Quoted message said:

    the goals of conventional medical
    schooling are:

    1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
    drugs
    2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
    "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
    3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
    thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
    4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
    delusion i.e., placebo effect.

    Three claims, none backed by facts. You just throw out numbers and claims
    as if they were real.

    Where for instance do you get the notion that there are 3 (Not 4, not 2,
    three
    and only 3!) hours of instruction on "nutritional remedies?"

    I assume you have taught in a medical school?

    And healing arts based "solely on the use of pharmaceutical drugs?"


    Please

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    back that up, and while you are at it, explain surgery, "bedside manner,"
    osteopathic
    medicine, phusical therapy.

    Let me guess: you are still a fan of Velikovsky, aren't you?

    Dan R.
    Master of Card XII
    Order of the detrevnI Buckyball

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